Has the ISK Staish Lost the Plot?
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Indeed and a name to fit. From a distance and I am no expert on either, but could it be a lively wig or Grecian 2000 (Sorry I mean Just for men!!)
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When I was serving it was always a military custom to wear headgear in uniform outside a building, unless there were good reasons not to, eg in an aircraft manoeuvering area. Simple matter of standards, discipline, pride etc. But then we didn't wear growbags in the mess either.
So someone is trying to arrest the slide into total anarchy. Good for the Staish. Grow up you whingers or change jobs. And I don't think it was very clever identifying the individual. Not much evidence of standards, discipline or pride in your performance on this thread.
So someone is trying to arrest the slide into total anarchy. Good for the Staish. Grow up you whingers or change jobs. And I don't think it was very clever identifying the individual. Not much evidence of standards, discipline or pride in your performance on this thread.
I have absolutely nothing to do with the Kipper Fleet, so have been watching this from the sidelines.
Just had a look at the Kinloss website out of curiosity and found this little gem:
Blowing your own trumpet is one thing, but I think II & 13 might not be in entire agreement 
Just had a look at the Kinloss website out of curiosity and found this little gem:
the Nimrod MR2 Force:The premier global surveillance and attack force over land and sea
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And I don't think it was very clever identifying the individual. Not much evidence of standards, discipline or pride in your performance on this thread.
Why not? Its on a website available for all to view, to which i mearly provided a link. No one has confirmed this is the individual concerned and to be fair the website is probably out of date anyway!!
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Quote: Mind you if the Staish is the man advertised on the official Kinloss website then he was IMHO a plonker of the highest order as a Sqn Ldr. Unquote.
Suggest this unambiguously identifies an individual. Also suggest you keep your humble opinion to yourself. Hope you have a good lawyer.
Quote: Mind you if the Staish is the man advertised on the official Kinloss website then he was IMHO a plonker of the highest order as a Sqn Ldr. Unquote.
Suggest this unambiguously identifies an individual. Also suggest you keep your humble opinion to yourself. Hope you have a good lawyer.
Totally agree with Clockwork Mouse - I don't believe anyone's interests are served by airing issues like these in public. I think it reflects poorly on those (hiding behind a pseudonym) who use this forum to attempt to discredit their Station Commander.
The RAF isn't a menu that you can pick 'n mix exactly which parts you agree with or consider suit your particular lifestyle.
There's always been an element of aircrew who think it's "operational" to look scruffy. Bolleaux. Clean your flying boots, replace that tatty hat, bin your ripped cold weather flying jacket, put your hat on and save your posturing for when you're off duty.
In the meantime, grow up, show some loyalty and support the man.
Or leave.
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The RAF isn't a menu that you can pick 'n mix exactly which parts you agree with or consider suit your particular lifestyle.
There's always been an element of aircrew who think it's "operational" to look scruffy. Bolleaux. Clean your flying boots, replace that tatty hat, bin your ripped cold weather flying jacket, put your hat on and save your posturing for when you're off duty.
In the meantime, grow up, show some loyalty and support the man.
Or leave.
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So someone is trying to arrest the slide into total anarchy. Good for the Staish. Grow up you whingers or change jobs. And I don't think it was very clever identifying the individual. Not much evidence of standards, discipline or pride in your performance on this thread.
Get a life!
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I'm afraid you can say what you like in the company of like-minded people, whether in the bar or on an Internet chat room....as much as those with sinister authoritarian tendencies would like to change that!
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I suggest the slide into total anarchy has already started when something as trivial as an order to wear hats in uniform on a coach on duty on station has become the catalyst for officers, I assume they are officers, to identify and personally villify their commanding officer on a very public forum. What is your definition of anarchy?
If you behaved in such a disloyal, unbecoming and insubordinate manner, you would not deserve to be an officer. How would you expect your subordinates to behave when you had to give an unpopular order and how would you react if they behaved towards you as the posters on this thread have done? We are supposed to be a disciplined military force, for God's sake.
I have had a life. If you are indeed military, I suggest you should now look for one more suited to your own personal standards. You certainly don't live up to mine.
I suggest the slide into total anarchy has already started when something as trivial as an order to wear hats in uniform on a coach on duty on station has become the catalyst for officers, I assume they are officers, to identify and personally villify their commanding officer on a very public forum. What is your definition of anarchy?
If you behaved in such a disloyal, unbecoming and insubordinate manner, you would not deserve to be an officer. How would you expect your subordinates to behave when you had to give an unpopular order and how would you react if they behaved towards you as the posters on this thread have done? We are supposed to be a disciplined military force, for God's sake.
I have had a life. If you are indeed military, I suggest you should now look for one more suited to your own personal standards. You certainly don't live up to mine.
Mouse,
So you want me to keep my opinion to myself. I can cope with that but frankly don't see why I should. Is this because its a bad opinion? Are we saying its ok to give opinions on others provided there good? I thought this was a forum enriched by diverse opinion.
At the end of the day it is purely that - my opinion, sorry if it rankles with some but thats life i guess.
I think officers should wear hats when told to. That way at least they will remember to put them on
Steps into flame retardant suit and heads for cover.
So you want me to keep my opinion to myself. I can cope with that but frankly don't see why I should. Is this because its a bad opinion? Are we saying its ok to give opinions on others provided there good? I thought this was a forum enriched by diverse opinion.
At the end of the day it is purely that - my opinion, sorry if it rankles with some but thats life i guess.
I think officers should wear hats when told to. That way at least they will remember to put them on
Steps into flame retardant suit and heads for cover.
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There's always been something about the sideways walking fraternity which has made me wonder what they've got against wearing head dress. At the first opportunity they doff caps, and never seem to know when to don them again. It's as if they're ashamed of that particular part of their uniform. Can't you get together and come up with a combination of blue hues which appeals to your sense of fashion and doesn't upset your hair style too much?
I once heard the excuse that head dress wasn't to be worn in vehicles in case it slipped down over ones eyes, obscured one's vision leading to an accident. What tripe, the damn thing should be able to stay in in a Force 7, so that doesn't wash. Perhaps it's the female influence, maybe they're afraid of upsetting the girlies and making them appear military. No, that can't be it, nothing looks less military and than a crab in uniform, regardless of gender, rank or trade.
Get a grip. Wear your uniform with pride, wherever and whenever you can, including head dress.
I once heard the excuse that head dress wasn't to be worn in vehicles in case it slipped down over ones eyes, obscured one's vision leading to an accident. What tripe, the damn thing should be able to stay in in a Force 7, so that doesn't wash. Perhaps it's the female influence, maybe they're afraid of upsetting the girlies and making them appear military. No, that can't be it, nothing looks less military and than a crab in uniform, regardless of gender, rank or trade.
Get a grip. Wear your uniform with pride, wherever and whenever you can, including head dress.
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I think part of the objection is calling a hat 'head-dress'. The only people that I hear that use that term without a trace of irony are the very same that have an apoplectic fit when others refer to (such items as) gas masks, and bullets in guns. Of course the more wound up they get, the more one uses the term.
Dictionary.com's descriptions of "head-dress" cannot help but raise a smirk though:
1. A covering or ornament for the head.
2. A hairdo; a coiffure.
So get yer tiaras out and head off down the hairdressers for a lovely big perm.
Dictionary.com's descriptions of "head-dress" cannot help but raise a smirk though:
1. A covering or ornament for the head.
2. A hairdo; a coiffure.
So get yer tiaras out and head off down the hairdressers for a lovely big perm.
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The battle of subordinates against authority over trivia has been fought over millenia - with the rulers invariably retaining the upper hand. I bet Scipio's legions grumbled, as did the Carthaginians and so on throughout history - except when they had more pressing things to worry about, such as battles.
The root cause is probably the constant and indescribably frustrating ability of authority to focus on minutae - such as wearing a hat for 10-15 seconds (I don't know for how long exactly) whilst neglecting other concerns, such as a system that doesn't pay you, cutbacks and overstretch, increasing FQ charges etc.
Long may it continue! When the troops stop grumbling, that is when to worry.
The root cause is probably the constant and indescribably frustrating ability of authority to focus on minutae - such as wearing a hat for 10-15 seconds (I don't know for how long exactly) whilst neglecting other concerns, such as a system that doesn't pay you, cutbacks and overstretch, increasing FQ charges etc.
Long may it continue! When the troops stop grumbling, that is when to worry.
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I have had a life. If you are indeed military, I suggest you should now look for one more suited to your own personal standards. You certainly don't live up to mine.
Sir, you cut me to the quick! If niff-naff and trivia is what floats your boat so be it - I'd rather have a boss that tried to do something about overstretch/shortage of kit or manpower/morale rather than worrying about the small stuff. Sorry, I prize operational efficiency above bull****. It has been my experiance that treating people like adults and cutting them some slack gets better results in the long run, rather than taking man-management tips from Blackadder's Wellington. Or perhaps we should re-introduce stocks to keep chins up and smart heavy wool red tunics for the chaps in Afghanistan?
Orders is orders?
Face the front and don't ask questions?
I was only obeying orders?
nothing looks less military and than a crab in uniform, regardless of gender, rank or trade.
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Was at Red Flag a few years ago. Walking behind 6 RAF types. 6 different variations on the uniform (all scruffy, only 2 wearing hats). 6 different levels of clinical obesity. Utter shambles. Surprised anyone takes you seriously.
Add to that, disloyalty to your CO by some on here.
Class act.
Well done.
Add to that, disloyalty to your CO by some on here.
Class act.
Well done.
Bring it on Bellend.
How about we have a rig of the day.
How about we all get issued the same kit.
How about the RAF no longer get everyone's cast off's. Blue Jackets anyone via the ambulance service, or the farcical boots the army had refused.
Fully agree about Red Flag thats how you spotted the RAF, we were all dressed differently.
Not a case of not supporting the CO, this problem has gone on for years. Getting people to put there hats on when there on a bus I have no problem with.
Getting the RAF all dressed the same may take a while longer i fear.
How about we have a rig of the day.
How about we all get issued the same kit.
How about the RAF no longer get everyone's cast off's. Blue Jackets anyone via the ambulance service, or the farcical boots the army had refused.
Fully agree about Red Flag thats how you spotted the RAF, we were all dressed differently.
Not a case of not supporting the CO, this problem has gone on for years. Getting people to put there hats on when there on a bus I have no problem with.
Getting the RAF all dressed the same may take a while longer i fear.