AFGHANISTAN - Do We Never Take In The Lessons From History?
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It's a sad and dirty state of affairs Tony Blair will sleep smug and sound in his bed even while 'his team' at No. 10 starts filtering out the body counts and stats from Afganistan.
Bring the troops home VERY soon or else start shoring up the dam before it gives way. Once that happens, it's over.
Where are the Indian troops (their armed forces are significant).. why no contribute ... even a small gesture would be more than helpful. Where are the Brazilian, South African, Mexican, Italian troops ...? This is no game these poor troops in the Afganistan mountains are like placing a small defenceless child in a bad area of your local town at night and leaving them to fend for themselves.
Bring the troops home VERY soon or else start shoring up the dam before it gives way. Once that happens, it's over.
Where are the Indian troops (their armed forces are significant).. why no contribute ... even a small gesture would be more than helpful. Where are the Brazilian, South African, Mexican, Italian troops ...? This is no game these poor troops in the Afganistan mountains are like placing a small defenceless child in a bad area of your local town at night and leaving them to fend for themselves.
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I suspect many in Helmand and other provinces give as much of a toss for the Afghan state as occupants of the Gaidhealtachd did for the Scottish state up to the 18th Century. Therefore it would matter not a jot which particular 'Johnny Foreigner' tries to tell them how to live their lives, the answer will come in 5.56 mm calibre.
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I believe you refer to the locals response when you say 5.56....however the AK is 7.62 caliber. Our side uses the 5.56....maybe that is the final answer however.
I believe you refer to the locals response when you say 5.56....however the AK is 7.62 caliber. Our side uses the 5.56....maybe that is the final answer however.
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My goof, Sasless, I stand corrected. However, given the current performance of the ANA, I wonder how long it will be before some of this lot ends up in the hands of the taliban / narco-lords?
Don't sweat that kind of gear....IED's are the way to rightousness. Easy to plant...very effective....and makes wonderful news headlines.
Just ask yourself how many dead and mutilated troops are the Western societies willing to suffer before the war becomes intolerable to the citizens in general and they begin to demand the troops come home.
Standing and fighting is a losing deal for an insurgent.
Just ask yourself how many dead and mutilated troops are the Western societies willing to suffer before the war becomes intolerable to the citizens in general and they begin to demand the troops come home.
Standing and fighting is a losing deal for an insurgent.
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Saudis cut off from the oil trough are using poppy power to attempt regime change in Riyadh. If they succeed and control the Gulf fields they won't drink it, but will sell only to friends. Our Mission is Energy Security, which is just as critical as a military Threat - in 1973 our friend the Shah tried to freeze Holland. So: interdict their money and managers, and gangsters wither. Then a State can be constructed, with such novelties as electricity and roads. Lots of people in Brussels know how to dish out Set-aside money to replace the opium crop.
It's all one energy chain, Af-Chechnya-Iraq-Kosovo, maybe Somali/Sudan. Boots on the ground are part of the fix, but so is closing down Bank accounts. Brits, Canucks, Aussies, Poles and US are enough - the EU Force in ex-Yugo suggests that many cooks at the same pot simply confuse. Putin, Japan, Germany, India, Pakistan are helping in other ways - money, logistics, Intell. I expect the French are too.
It's all one energy chain, Af-Chechnya-Iraq-Kosovo, maybe Somali/Sudan. Boots on the ground are part of the fix, but so is closing down Bank accounts. Brits, Canucks, Aussies, Poles and US are enough - the EU Force in ex-Yugo suggests that many cooks at the same pot simply confuse. Putin, Japan, Germany, India, Pakistan are helping in other ways - money, logistics, Intell. I expect the French are too.
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What westerners don't understand is that Muslims basically hate us because of our religious and political beliefs. Western civilization's values of individual freedom of religious choice and thought is antithical to Isalm's desire for total control of the individual and state.
We have been suckered into believing that the corrupt regimes of the Saudi princes and other sheikdoms are also fighting fundamentalism when they themselves put out all kinds of vile filth and lies about the west, Christians, and especially Jews in their own children's classrooms. They are out for self-preservation and the majority of islamic population tactity supports the terrorists.
The idea of "Your either with us or against us" holds a lot of merit.
And if anybody thinks that the fanatics that run Iran won't actually use a nuclear weapon to cripple Israel, they need to put down the crack pipe. These Islamic fanatics mean to do exactly what they say. Remember, they think they're on a holy mission.
We have been suckered into believing that the corrupt regimes of the Saudi princes and other sheikdoms are also fighting fundamentalism when they themselves put out all kinds of vile filth and lies about the west, Christians, and especially Jews in their own children's classrooms. They are out for self-preservation and the majority of islamic population tactity supports the terrorists.
The idea of "Your either with us or against us" holds a lot of merit.
And if anybody thinks that the fanatics that run Iran won't actually use a nuclear weapon to cripple Israel, they need to put down the crack pipe. These Islamic fanatics mean to do exactly what they say. Remember, they think they're on a holy mission.
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Hey if you're talking about the drunken Big Brother watching morons who have no respect for anyone, let alone other members of the society they milk, who are too busy reproducing for a living to bother with work, who sneer at other races and cultures, thinking them below 'us', then I hate 'us' too.
Muslims have their issues, but we can hardly claim to have the moral high ground...
Muslims have their issues, but we can hardly claim to have the moral high ground...
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What westerners don't understand is that Muslims basically hate us because of our religious and political beliefs. Western civilization's values of individual freedom of religious choice and thought is antithical to Isalm's desire for total control of the individual and state.
Get to know a few and you might find you are mildly surprised.
How do you deal with this kind of logical thinking?
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Come on SASless
I know after all these years you are an intelligent guy, i have seen just as many Christian protestors with plaques outside the Whitehouse as ANYWHERE else in the world by 'so called uneducated people holding anti weatern /Western plaques'. What are you trying to do?? You make yourself an idiot by trying to portray that all this is one sided. You are better than this SASless!
I know after all these years you are an intelligent guy, i have seen just as many Christian protestors with plaques outside the Whitehouse as ANYWHERE else in the world by 'so called uneducated people holding anti weatern /Western plaques'. What are you trying to do?? You make yourself an idiot by trying to portray that all this is one sided. You are better than this SASless!
Tigs,
I asked a simple straight forward question based upon a photograph taken in London of a protest by UK Muslims. The demonstration was over the "insulting cartoons" done by a cartoonist in Denmark.
The sign says "Freedom of Expression Go To Hell" which I find a bit odd considering the dumbass holding the sign is using that very freedom to protest.
The same mindset gets all humpy over the Quran and raise unholy hell if a mere infidel touches the thing.....all the while ignoring the fact the same book has been run through a printing press, moved by conveyor belts, been glued by a machine, bound, boxed, trucked, and sorted at the book store or where ever he obtained the thing. Is there a (for want of better words) a "kosher" Quran print shop somewhere west of Mecca?
The current wave of terrorism we are experiencing is being brought to us by Muslim Fundalmentalists who are doing their Jihad with the goal of converting or destroying the rest of the world to Islam.
Excuse me if I hold no truck with that.
Outsiders hit us.....not so you folks in the UK. When 40% of the UK Muslim community is said to favor Sharia law in the UK then I would suggest there is more support for the fundamentalists than one accepts.
You make yourself an idiot by trying to portray that all this is one sided. You are better than this SASless!
The sign says "Freedom of Expression Go To Hell" which I find a bit odd considering the dumbass holding the sign is using that very freedom to protest.
The same mindset gets all humpy over the Quran and raise unholy hell if a mere infidel touches the thing.....all the while ignoring the fact the same book has been run through a printing press, moved by conveyor belts, been glued by a machine, bound, boxed, trucked, and sorted at the book store or where ever he obtained the thing. Is there a (for want of better words) a "kosher" Quran print shop somewhere west of Mecca?
The current wave of terrorism we are experiencing is being brought to us by Muslim Fundalmentalists who are doing their Jihad with the goal of converting or destroying the rest of the world to Islam.
Excuse me if I hold no truck with that.
Outsiders hit us.....not so you folks in the UK. When 40% of the UK Muslim community is said to favor Sharia law in the UK then I would suggest there is more support for the fundamentalists than one accepts.
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i am for everything, I am for Humanity, I Know you are!! SASless i ask you to look, independantly, at Middle Americas Views on all of this PM me if you wish and we can talk or meet up for a beer. But at the end of the day you must accept, we have created this.
i am for everything, I am for Humanity, I Know you are!! SASless i ask you to look, independantly, at Middle Americas Views on all of this PM me if you wish and we can talk or meet up for a beer. But at the end of the day you must accept, we have created this.
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SASless:
Quite apart from the UK citizens killed on 11 September 2001, there was an attack on London on 7 July last year.
If we are to deal with lunatic religious fundamentalism by invading countries, which country should we bomb into the stone age to deal with this lot?
Outsiders hit us.....not so you folks in the UK
If we are to deal with lunatic religious fundamentalism by invading countries, which country should we bomb into the stone age to deal with this lot?
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AT - SAS was saying that the nutters responsible for 9/11 were not Americans, while the guys that did 7/7 were British, it was an inside job and a situation that we allowed to develop with our lily-livered attempts to be tolerant and not to upset anyone (apart from hard working people that are proud to call themselves English...).
Everyone is entitled to a view, to a religion etc UNTIL those beliefs stray outside the bounds of the country's acceptable limits. Believe in what you will, just make sure that you are totally happy with letting others do the same. If not, time to leave I'm afraid.
Everyone is entitled to a view, to a religion etc UNTIL those beliefs stray outside the bounds of the country's acceptable limits. Believe in what you will, just make sure that you are totally happy with letting others do the same. If not, time to leave I'm afraid.
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Originally Posted by SASless
Is there a (for want of better words) a "kosher" Quran print shop somewhere west of Mecca?
The current wave of terrorism we
The current wave of terrorism we
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Lets not allow this post to get out of hand. However I agree somewhat with Roadtrip though not in such an extreme manner. SAS-less also raises some good points too.
The disticntion here is not the religion but the nutters that follow it and then misinterpret or misconstrue what's being said. We need to deal with them not shy away from it because it's a sensitive issue otherwise we're feeding the problem with our blissful ignorance.
The disticntion here is not the religion but the nutters that follow it and then misinterpret or misconstrue what's being said. We need to deal with them not shy away from it because it's a sensitive issue otherwise we're feeding the problem with our blissful ignorance.