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Future Carrier (Including Costs)

Old 5th Feb 2020, 17:46
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
...I would love to see either or both of these RN Aircraft Carriers do a long at Sea deployment as some of our Carriers have done.

The Nimitz did a 270 day deployment with 144 continuous days at sea during one stretch of operations.

Are you guys ready for that contingency?

USS Nimitz (CVN 68) history
i believe so. No other carrier in the world has beaten HMS Invincible‘s 166 consecutive days at sea in 1982.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/ob...-a6779361.html


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Old 5th Feb 2020, 18:25
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
...They are cutting edge because they can operate with far fewer crew than US carriers.
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Yeah, far fewer aircraft as well.
However, QE class carriers are by no means a bad compromise: only 64% the tonnage of a USN nuclear carrier but with nearly 90% of the deck area and spots for 45 aircraft on deck and 25 in the hangar (total 70).

Thanks to their Integrated Electric Propulsion and advanced automation, they only require 23% of the ship's company, too (800 vs 3,500).
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Old 6th Feb 2020, 01:36
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Does this sound about right?

Bunks for 1600....in 423 cabins, galley able to produce 963 meals in an hour. Room for a total of 70 aircraft but with only six deck spots, no cat and no arresting gear.

If you have a crew of 800 why all the spare bunks?

Watch Bills must get interesting at Sea....with only 800 crew.....and still afford time off to rest, eat, sleep and watch movies in the onboard Cinema.
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Old 6th Feb 2020, 06:44
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
Does this sound about right?

If you have a crew of 800 why all the spare bunks?
Cant speak specifically for this but crew for ship dont include what they are carrying, so in case of aircraft carriers air wing and support crews are different from the ships crew.

yep according to the RN own site

The ship will have a crew of around 700, increasing to 1,600 when a full complement of F-35B jets and Crowsnest helicopters are embarked.

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Old 6th Feb 2020, 07:10
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"If you have a crew of 800 why all the spare bunks?"

They will double up (allegedly) as LHA's...............
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Old 6th Feb 2020, 07:30
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Primary role Coastels, I heard?

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Old 6th Feb 2020, 08:50
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
Does this sound about right?

Bunks for 1600....in 423 cabins, galley able to produce 963 meals in an hour. Room for a total of 70 aircraft but with only six deck spots, no cat and no arresting gear.

If you have a crew of 800 why all the spare bunks?

Watch Bills must get interesting at Sea....with only 800 crew.....and still afford time off to rest, eat, sleep and watch movies in the onboard Cinema.
Extra 800 bunks available for embarked air group and/or troops.

Only six deck spots? Maybe for simultaneous landings but otherwise...

No nuclear watch-keepers/maintainers or specialist cat & trap operators required and RN personnel tend to multi-task much more than USN personnel (e.g. we have no specialised ice cream vendors ).

Each QEC carrier costs less than a third the initial price of the Gerald R Ford and that's before you start taking into account through-life costs (particularly manpower) and reactor maintenance and decommissioning.
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Old 6th Feb 2020, 08:59
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This mornings Daily ExpressHow US could use UK ships to bolster its fleet as defence concerns grow

THE ROYAL NAVY boasts some of the most advanced ships and destroyers in the world. But with recent cuts to military budgets coinciding with the US' huge naval standoff in regions such as the South China Sea, Britain's forces are reportedly planning to lease an aircraft carrier to Washington.

By CHARLIE BRADLEY PUBLISHED: 00:01, Tue, Feb 4, 2020 | UPDATED: 00:10, Tue, Feb 4, 2020 OSE

According to reports in recent months, the British Army is said to be pushing for one of the Royal Navy’s brand new super carriers to be leased out to the US in a bid to garner extra cash for military funding. A Sunday Times’ report revealed that decision makers in the UK’s military brass could flog either HMS Prince of Wales or HMS Queen Elizabeth. The US, which is currently embroiled in a huge naval standoff in the South China Sea, could take on one of the ships in yet another expansion of its fleet.

This comes despite the Government’s promises to maintain the size of the armed forces.

An unnamed source told the Sunday Times in November: “The army hates aircraft carriers, which they have always seen as a white elephant, but the Americans love them. They are cutting edge because they can operate with far fewer crew than US carriers.”

The reports have been denied by the UK’s Defence Secretary, Ben Wallace MP, who said: “This is total rubbish. There are no plans to shrink the armed forces. “There are however plans to increase army recruiting levels.”

HMS Queen Elizabeth visited the US last year, with Tony Radakin, the First Sea Lord and UK Chief of Naval Staff, claiming that the two allies’ naval forces could be closely integrated. He said: “As she has demonstrated already, we can successfully field a combined US, UK carrier strike group. I look forward to this developing further.”

Cuts to the Defence budget in recent years have heaped more pressure on British forces, with many expressing a dire need for increased spending to avoid security deficiencies. In 2018 there was a £20billion shortfall in the UK’s £179billion equipment budget, and figures last August showed that the British forces were 7,000 soldiers short of its 82,000 target. In November, Prime Minister Boris Johnson was forced to deny claims that the British forces would cut its personnel to between 60,000-65,000, the smallest number for centuries.

Mr Johnson said while launching his 2019 manifesto: “We will not be cutting our armed forces in any form. We will be maintaining the size of our armed services.” For the last nine years, the British military has decreased in size with personnel decreasing in the Army, the Royal Navy and the Royal Air Force (RAF).
Australia probably has half of a naval fleet. If I threw in my sister. I wonder what we would get.
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Old 6th Feb 2020, 09:54
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While HMS Queen Elizabeth is conducting trials with UK F-35Bs and helos in the North Sea and beyond, her sister ship HMS Prince of Wales will be open to the public during a week-long visit to Liverpool starting at the end of the month. (A CVN wouldn't be able to do that.)
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Any pics of the Sister?

For FOD....so glad to see entertaining Public is an essential part of the Mission Set of the latest RN Carrier.

I am sure that trumps being deployed on lesser important missions.

After arriving safely in Liverpool....will it be able to leave under its own power or shall it require on-site repairs to replace everything that gets nicked?
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Old 6th Feb 2020, 12:48
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Any pics of the Sister?

For FOD....so glad to see entertaining Public is an essential part of the Mission Set of the latest RN Carrier.

I am sure that trumps being deployed on lesser important missions.

After arriving safely in Liverpool....will it be able to leave under its own power or shall it require on-site repairs to replace everything that gets nicked?
What an inconsolable ‘glass half empty’ chap you are. Much looking forward to you accidentally pressing the ‘Cheerful’ key one day.
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Old 6th Feb 2020, 16:15
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"....so glad to see entertaining Public is an essential part of the Mission Set of the latest RN Carrier."

Considering they paid for it I think it's only fair they get a look round...................
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Old 18th Feb 2020, 21:15
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It seems the recent training period in UK waters went well:


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Old 19th Feb 2020, 08:06
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"Survived #StormCiara"

Is that considered to be newsworthy? I hope they are joking
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Old 19th Feb 2020, 09:46
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
"Survived #StormCiara"

Is that considered to be newsworthy? I hope they are joking
British servicemen never joke about anything - ever, and no doubt the crew are always on the verge of panic/mutiny whenever it gets a bit windy at sea. Look at what happened to that US carrier that sailed into a storm. They ended up in 1941!
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Old 19th Feb 2020, 10:13
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So, does it have a defence against plankton powered rubber ducks?
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Old 19th Feb 2020, 10:37
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
"Survived #StormCiara"

Is that considered to be newsworthy? I hope they are joking
Well, after one "rather rough" JMC on a CVS, it saw us emerge from the gales minus "Anchor, ships, for the holding of x 1" and "JCB, flight deck, for the moving of heavy stuff x 1"!

Both gone to the bottom of Davy Jones' locker! Oooops!

PS The JCB driver did blooming well to eject from said JCB just prior to it exiting stage right! Thank goodness........
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Old 19th Feb 2020, 11:05
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Both gone to the bottom of Davy Jones' locker! Oooops!
Depth in chains rather than fathoms I presume....
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Old 19th Feb 2020, 12:11
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Depth in chains rather than fathoms I presume....
LOL! No idea how many chains ORAC - I believe we still had all that + associated depth markings on it - on board, just the bit on the end with pointy dodahs was missing IIR! But I bet the demise of it and the JCB was picked up by SOSUS. And confused the hell out of the poor passive Sonar op on the local Soviet sub which was probably snooping about! Maybe even direct hits?!

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Old 19th Feb 2020, 23:31
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No names....but while standing on the bridge of a US Warship in the Roads of a large oriental seaport.....I watched the Captain very carefully Conn the Ship to his designated anchoring spot....throw a few bits of wood over the side to check the Way had come to zero.....gives order to Let Go....the sledge smacked the Keeper...and away it went....along with every bit of chain attached thereto...it seemed like miles of chain as the almighty clatter went on and on and on.

When silence reined and the Bosun's rather agitated tones wafted back over the Bridge Wing.....The Captain looked over at the XO and was heard to quietly say...."Well....that went well!".

The XO, with a rather serious look on his countenance replied....."Yes Sir! I am thinking that getting it back onto the Ship is going to be a bit more difficult!".

Fortunately there was a Salvage Tug in Theater that responded and recovered the lost gear before we departed for our next Port Call. The extended Port Call was well received by all Hands.

I always wondered if that was a pure accident or not.



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