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Future Carrier (Including Costs)

Old 9th Sep 2017, 00:43
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You may be on to something there 'MPN11':
Office of Naval Research Set to Upgrade the 200-Year-Old Signal Lamp for Modern Stealth Communication
https://news.usni.org/2017/07/19/off...ld-signal-lamp

Meanwhile wot an USN aircraftcrarrier duz sumtymes:
"...[USS] Lincoln left Norfolk Friday, but without a full air wing. The carrier is loaded with additional helicopters to help with rescue and supplies delivery mission, according to a Navy spokesman.... The ships can provide medical support, security, logistic support, medium and heavy lift air support, and can assist state and federal agencies assessing damage...." https://news.usni.org/2017/09/08/nav...ief-operations
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 06:51
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...and the population of Darwin, Australia, were mighty grateful for an Aussie carrier, HMAS Melbourne, with a full complement of helicopters, very quickly on scene after the city was devastated by Cyclone Tracy in 1974.

The navy never had to buy a beer in the town for some time after.
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 09:20
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@ SpazSinbad. Nice link! Just goes to show that sometimes the old ways are still useful, with a bit of modernisation!

I was once an 8 wpm lamp/buzzer Morse operator. Many 'happy' hours stood in cold/dark passageways at Dartmouth sending messages back and forth with a mate at the other end.
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 09:34
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Spent a year at RANC 1966 - our class stood on the 'quarterdeck' (grass playing field in front of the clock tower with accommodation blocks on tuther side) very early in mornings before classes to do 'flashing'. Great fun. Now I just touch type. Dit Dit Dee Dah Dah Dit Dit.
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 09:53
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Originally Posted by SpazSinbad View Post
Spent a year at RANC 1966 - our class stood on the 'quarterdeck' (grass playing field in front of the clock tower with accommodation blocks on tuther side) very early in mornings before classes to do 'flashing'. Great fun. Now I just touch type. Dit Dit Dee Dah Dah Dit Dit.
Same at BRNC in 63 ... 0630 outside in the cold dark winter, our Entry all arranged around the famous carriage ramps, while some Yeoman in a warm office made the lamp on the top of the mast do "blinky-blink-blink" for half an hour before breakfast.
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 10:58
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Spaz - that video is over an hour long - a bit too hard to hide at work - any chance of a summeary o f their thoughts on the QE calass?
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 11:01
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WEBF - the carriers certainly made a contribution to the listed conflicts but, TBH , they were only NECESSARY for the FI

They're a nice to have rather than a necessity - I'd far prefer more T45's, T26's, Astutes and some decent replacements for the Bulwark/Ocean fleet
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 11:41
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Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry View Post
WEBF - the carriers certainly made a contribution to the listed conflicts but, TBH , they were only NECESSARY for the FI

They're a nice to have rather than a necessity - I'd far prefer more T45's, T26's, Astutes and some decent replacements for the Bulwark/Ocean fleet

Escorts' main job is to escort and protect themselves and other assets. I guess a lot turns on what you want the UK to be capable of, and whether you value the ability to carry your air power and air cover with you, or whether you're happy to depend on air cover from land bases or kindly provided by others. And content to have lots of escorts that are good at turning up but far more limited in terms of the military effect they can deliver.

I guess this argument will rage forever, because in reality peoples' views on such things don't tend to shift that much.
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 12:40
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Originally Posted by Frostchamber View Post
Escorts' main job is to escort and protect themselves and other assets. I guess a lot turns on what you want the UK to be capable of, and whether you value the ability to carry your air power and air cover with you, or whether you're happy to depend on air cover from land bases or kindly provided by others. And content to have lots of escorts that are good at turning up but far more limited in terms of the military effect they can deliver.

I guess this argument will rage forever, because in reality peoples' views on such things don't tend to shift that much.

Agreed - we're unlikely to agree - but I think CASH will be the main determinant whatever we would want......................
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 13:45
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'Heathrow Hairy' I thought someone would ask me that but no - no summary will be provided. Meanwhile TWO is a crowd sourced number of CVFs artickle with this info about QE testin'. QE is ONLY mentioned at end of video in context that 'a SUPER CARRIER' helped the QE crew qualify recently.
"...The future for HMS Queen Elizabeth 08 Sep 2017
HMS Queen Elizabeth should sail for the second phase of her sea trials in October and will formally commission in December. She will sail for heavy weather trials in the North Atlantic in the first quarter of 2018. During this time she will also focus on rotary-wing certification and trials with embarked Wildcats, Merlin Mk2s, Merlin HC4s, Army Air Corps Apache and RAF Chinooks. HMS QE will not be fully capable in the LPH role for several years but she will routinely embark Royal Marines of the Special Purpose Task Group. The SPTG was established in December 2015, its prime role is to rescue downed aircrew and destroy or recover sensitive equipment such as F-35 parts. However, the SPTG is a multi-purpose formation that can be used to support other special forces operations or conduct raids ashore.

HMS QE will be back alongside for a further planned “defect rectification and capability insertion” period in mid-2018. The main work will be adding equipment to support F-35 operations such as the Instrument Carrier Landing System (ICLS) and set up ALIS – the F-35 aircraft maintenance system. In the later part of 2018 HMS QE will sail with HMS Montrose as her escort to the East Coast of the US. She will embark Royal Marines who will be flown ashore to exercise with the US Marine Corps. Off the Eastern Seaboard of the US, the first F-35Bs will land on HMS QE to begin flying trials. Two specially instrumented “orange-wired” F-35B test aircraft and four pilots will be aboard for 8 weeks of trials and evaluation. Short Rolling Vertical Landing (SRVL) will be practiced for the first time outside a simulator. This complex manoeuvre will allow the aircraft to return safely to the ship with a weight of unused weapons or fuel. The technique is controversial, many F-35 naysayers expect it to prove unworkable.

As something we can all look forward to, respected film-maker Chris Terrill has been embarked aboard HMS Queen Elizabeth during her sea trials and his 3-part documentary Royal Navy: Carrier Strike will be shown on BBC 2 in January 2018." http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/hms-...er-capability/
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 14:56
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They get uglier every time I look at them.

Agree, not too graceful in lines, and the island and masts just look strange. I am used to seeing more radars, masts and other gear. Now the massive "flashlight" radar on the HERMES sure looked the part.


And the side sponsons are much more massive than I realized. May take quite a pounding at full load in rough seas.
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 19:04
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Originally Posted by MPN11 View Post
Same at BRNC in 63 ... 0630 outside in the cold dark winter, our Entry all arranged around the famous carriage ramps, while some Yeoman in a warm office made the lamp on the top of the mast do "blinky-blink-blink" for half an hour before breakfast.
0630 and standing still? Luxury... A generation or 10 later 0630 would have found us just breaking into the second half of morning PT/morning drill. While knowing that the place hadn't really changed much over the years, complete with memories . And being told that the new carriers and aircraft were due to be in service by 2012!
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 02:26
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Never had NATO/OTAN experience however this article may be useful to some (and of course best wishes for occasional RAAF F-35B embarkation on RAN LHDs some time in the far future (around 2025?): (perhaps some RAAFie Chappies will read this?)

F-35B Will Change NATO Amphib Ops Proceedings Magazine - September 2017 Vol. 143/9/1,375
Captain William A. Perkins, U.S. Navy https://www.usni.org/print/91547 OR https://www.usni.org/magazines/proce...ato-amphib-ops
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Old 16th Sep 2017, 14:48
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I sure we will get used to them. Handsome is as handsome does.
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 06:53
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A carrier related idea to help with STEM education:

I understand the three services each have a SO2 STEM engagement - including the RN. Perhaps carrier landings provide an excellent idea for a project for Schools/Colleges and kids interested (or not) in Maths/Physics/the Navy... land a UAV on a moving deck.

1. Use trailer pulled by lorry/tractor to simulate moving deck. A more sophisticated version could use some sort of raft being pulled along the length of a swimming pool.

2. Use cheap fixed wing remote control model aircraft to simulate the recovering aircraft. I assume there is a camera in the nose, and then the operator is looking to land on a small area.

3. The students get to devise a visual landing aid - light(s) and a tilted mirror, or perhaps just lights. I have no idea if there is any Optics in GCSE Physics these days - there was not when I did GCSEs, but this would cover topics such as:

Pythagoras' theorem
The trigonometry of the right angled triangle
Lighting
Electrical circuit basics (Ohms law, power, resistance in series/parallel)
Algebra

4. For some more fun, they get to paint the deck with something that causes friction so the still moving 'drone' comes to a halt in the shortest possible distance. Topics covered include:

Friction
Newtonian Law of Motion
Algebra

5. They then write a report, and do a presentation to the class, teachers, parents, etc. This would be an opportunity to practise English language skills (writing for a purpose, learning to present ideas, and getting up and talking). ICT could be part of it as well.

6. Aside from the Physics/Maths/English/ICT aspects, the kids will hopefully benefit from working as a team, and learning that any sort of project requires people with different abilities - the ones who can do the calculations and theoretical work, the practically gifted ones who are good with their hands, ones to plan and organise, ones to do the written work, and ones to get up and talk.

7. The RN gets some PR, and maybe gets some future recruits interested.
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 09:49
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Careful... if this idea leaks to the Treasury they'll cancel the PoW and repalce it with your trailer..................................
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 20:22
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Video Drone FlyOver Dummy Deck Training at RNAS Culdrose UK with water filled F-35Bs and taxiing non-flyable Harriers.

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All Aboard! Last Train to TransCentral. KLF
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Old 7th Oct 2017, 11:16
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Will there be lady officers and other ranks on board? One hopes the chaps will behave.

Second officer removed for alleged improper relationship with female colleague on scandal-hit submarine

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Old 9th Oct 2017, 06:53
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The Americans also have a carrier themed STEM project for schools....

When does Queen Elizabeth start her next phase of sea trials?
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