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COs with wings seem to be making something of a comeback from the dim days when the submarine Mafia controlled everything. Ship driving seems a common career move for RN helicopter pilots these days.
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As a rule only Fisheads (Warfare Officers) drive ships
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I think that you will find that only Fishheads can ever drive ships as only Fishheads can exercise military command.
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From Lusty's website: A Busy 10 Days for Lusty
Having been directly involved with the evacuation on Thursday 20th when over 100 British Nationals were bought onboard by RAF Chinook Helicopters, the ship has since taken on the role as a Command and Control platform. With ships and aircraft from many different countries operating in the area the skies and seas have been full as the evacuation gathered pace. Operating Sea King helicopters from 849 Naval Air Squadron from her decks, flying up to 18 hours a day providing radar coverage of the area, Lusty has been instrumental in coordinating all the nations naval efforts.
This shows how important ISTAR assets are, and how MASC will be key to the future capability of the whole Navy, as the ASaCs Sea Kng is.
Having been directly involved with the evacuation on Thursday 20th when over 100 British Nationals were bought onboard by RAF Chinook Helicopters, the ship has since taken on the role as a Command and Control platform. With ships and aircraft from many different countries operating in the area the skies and seas have been full as the evacuation gathered pace. Operating Sea King helicopters from 849 Naval Air Squadron from her decks, flying up to 18 hours a day providing radar coverage of the area, Lusty has been instrumental in coordinating all the nations naval efforts.
This shows how important ISTAR assets are, and how MASC will be key to the future capability of the whole Navy, as the ASaCs Sea Kng is.
Green,
If by JK, you refer to the rum runner father of our now infamous Teddy....you in the UK are not the only ones glad to see him go. The jury might be a bit kinder to brothers John and Bobby but Dad and the youngest brother certainly deserve not a lot of respect.
Eldest brother Joe died in the UK during the war, John served in the Navy, Bobby stood up to J Ed Hoover so they all served the nation. Teddy on the other hand has served himself at the expense of the nation.
If by JK, you refer to the rum runner father of our now infamous Teddy....you in the UK are not the only ones glad to see him go. The jury might be a bit kinder to brothers John and Bobby but Dad and the youngest brother certainly deserve not a lot of respect.
Eldest brother Joe died in the UK during the war, John served in the Navy, Bobby stood up to J Ed Hoover so they all served the nation. Teddy on the other hand has served himself at the expense of the nation.
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Originally Posted by Navaleye
That statement is in every sense untrue.
WAFUs find themselves in command by virtue of the fact that they are part of the Warfare Branch throughout their careers. Incidentally, STCW means that this has now become much harder....
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SASless - That's the fella!
It's marvellous to hear one in the know rubbishing the wayward side of the family. Maybe JF and Bobby got their backbone from the dear matriarch rather than daddy...
Incidentally, I hope you don't mean Bobby standing up the J Edgar in the biblical sense, I mean, I have heard rumours that Hoover liked his dresses, but really
What's the US equiv of the black Omega? Oh that'll be the black Chevy Suburban pulling up outside...
It's marvellous to hear one in the know rubbishing the wayward side of the family. Maybe JF and Bobby got their backbone from the dear matriarch rather than daddy...
Incidentally, I hope you don't mean Bobby standing up the J Edgar in the biblical sense, I mean, I have heard rumours that Hoover liked his dresses, but really
What's the US equiv of the black Omega? Oh that'll be the black Chevy Suburban pulling up outside...
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When a previous Labour Government axed the CVA 01 project, JFK offered a number (four I think) Essex class carriers to the UK as an alternative to new builds. Ronald Reagan made a similar offer with two carriers in 1981.
In both cases the UK Government said no.
In both cases the UK Government said no.
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USN CV/CVNs do have to have an aviator as the CO. Usually, not always, they become XO, then CO on another deep draft ship - LHS and the like, then on to XO of a flattop. Move on to CO of another flattop. They do have to pass all the ship driver qualifications. Common sight to see mid-level naval aviators qualifying as OOD, ship's navigator and the like as they try to move up the ladder.
Also, usually for the USN, big ship command is the most common route to flag rank for an aviator. There are exceptions, of course, but it is rare.
Second the comments about Joe Kennedy and his useless son Teddy. (I do hope, however, that I'm still able to pound down the hard stuff and want to chase skirts when I'm Teddy's age however! Gotta give him that!)
Also, usually for the USN, big ship command is the most common route to flag rank for an aviator. There are exceptions, of course, but it is rare.
Second the comments about Joe Kennedy and his useless son Teddy. (I do hope, however, that I'm still able to pound down the hard stuff and want to chase skirts when I'm Teddy's age however! Gotta give him that!)
Green,
Read up on the Telephone on J Edgar's desk....direct line to the US Attorney General...installed at the direction of Bobby. To say J Edgar was in a proper snit does not do it justice.
A good book about the FBI and Hoover..... "No Left Turns"....really shows the FBI for what it was.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jun25.html
Read up on the Telephone on J Edgar's desk....direct line to the US Attorney General...installed at the direction of Bobby. To say J Edgar was in a proper snit does not do it justice.
A good book about the FBI and Hoover..... "No Left Turns"....really shows the FBI for what it was.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jun25.html
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Originally Posted by Navaleye
That statement is in every sense untrue.
You even need to be a fishhead to drive a Front Line Naval Air Squadron.
I thought it was a Quartermaster that drove the ship....
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Getting back on topic, the are very disturbing rumours about the seventh and eighth Type 45 Destroyers. If they are cancelled that will be a 50% cut by stealth. A class of twelve was planned.
More cuts?
Still no sign of CVF passing main gate.
Currently the Royal Navy is heavily committed to Maritime Security Operations, as are the Navies of other coalition nations. These operations need ISTAR assets such as Maritime Patrol Aircraft (including RAF Nimrods) and Submarines. However, Nimrod and SSN numbers are being cut, and are both currently much in demand. Therefore, should the RN's own embarked aviation assets not be given greater ISTAR abilities? Not just carrier based ones, but ones aboard frigates/destroyers and RFAs?
I refer to the T45/Embarked Aviation thread.
Would they be a case for expanding 849 NAS, with an additional flight for basing aboard RFAs?
More cuts?
Still no sign of CVF passing main gate.Currently the Royal Navy is heavily committed to Maritime Security Operations, as are the Navies of other coalition nations. These operations need ISTAR assets such as Maritime Patrol Aircraft (including RAF Nimrods) and Submarines. However, Nimrod and SSN numbers are being cut, and are both currently much in demand. Therefore, should the RN's own embarked aviation assets not be given greater ISTAR abilities? Not just carrier based ones, but ones aboard frigates/destroyers and RFAs?
I refer to the T45/Embarked Aviation thread.
Would they be a case for expanding 849 NAS, with an additional flight for basing aboard RFAs?
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I understand that the US Navy's latest CVN, Ronald Reagan, was built in about five years. Apart from red tape and political interference etc is there any reason CVF cannot be constructed in similar timely fashion?
Answers on the back of a postcard to MOD main building..........
Also will CVF have a bulbous bow?
Answers on the back of a postcard to MOD main building..........
Also will CVF have a bulbous bow?
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50% is right. It is looking like the T45 is becoming a CVF escort in much the the way as the T82 was iintended for CVA01. Lets hope history doesn't repeat itself.
CVF has a bulbous bow although the amx speed for the beast is only 26 knots.
The main thing that will delay the build of the ship is that pretty much no production information (eg production drawings such as lofting plans, shell expansions, unit build assemblies etc) has yet been generated. Recent ship procurements LPD, Astute and to a lesser degree T45 have suffered heavily for this. What we appear to have for the £300M+ invested so far is a set of general arrangement drawings, some very detailed "studies" and (I believe) a worked up power generation & distribution system.
Once the production information has been generated, she will actually be relatively simple to build as large parts of the ship are suited to panel lines (ie they're flat). Trouble is Mssrs Harland & Wolff have flattened theirs, Mr Swan Hunter has just gone down the pan which leaves a very limited steel fabrication capability.
The ship could be built that quickly, provided that :
a. MoD gets a move on
b. The detail design of the vessel is progressed asap
c. We throw the right manpower at it.
The main thing that will delay the build of the ship is that pretty much no production information (eg production drawings such as lofting plans, shell expansions, unit build assemblies etc) has yet been generated. Recent ship procurements LPD, Astute and to a lesser degree T45 have suffered heavily for this. What we appear to have for the £300M+ invested so far is a set of general arrangement drawings, some very detailed "studies" and (I believe) a worked up power generation & distribution system.
Once the production information has been generated, she will actually be relatively simple to build as large parts of the ship are suited to panel lines (ie they're flat). Trouble is Mssrs Harland & Wolff have flattened theirs, Mr Swan Hunter has just gone down the pan which leaves a very limited steel fabrication capability.
The ship could be built that quickly, provided that :
a. MoD gets a move on
b. The detail design of the vessel is progressed asap
c. We throw the right manpower at it.
