ANYONE NEED A NEW ROOF?
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What a load of Bo!!ocks!
I live just south of Odiham, got a crack in the wall just under the roof, perhaps...
Talking about cracks, having just done 80hrs in the last two months in the mighty Wokka, I must get my teeth checked!
Next time I'm over Upton Grey, I may just have a ND with one of these
That will increase the ventilation in her roof somewhat!
I've seen that letter that you mention SubdiFuge, would love to see that posted here!
Pilot Pacifier!
I live just south of Odiham, got a crack in the wall just under the roof, perhaps...
Talking about cracks, having just done 80hrs in the last two months in the mighty Wokka, I must get my teeth checked!
Next time I'm over Upton Grey, I may just have a ND with one of these
That will increase the ventilation in her roof somewhat!
I've seen that letter that you mention SubdiFuge, would love to see that posted here!
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Any ideas as to the date the letter was published? I will go to the Andover Advertiser office tomorrow and get a copy of the paper and publish the letter, with their permission,tomorrow.
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That Emergency Flight Path diagram deserves a formal complaint from the RAF to the newspaper. There are only two places it could have come from:
(a) the imagination of the woman concerned;
(b) the imagination of a Times reporter,
as it is both inaccurate and biassed (notice the way it curves over the village - actually the approach passes to the north, which rather spoils her claim).
Tim
(a) the imagination of the woman concerned;
(b) the imagination of a Times reporter,
as it is both inaccurate and biassed (notice the way it curves over the village - actually the approach passes to the north, which rather spoils her claim).
Tim
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airborne artist,
The noise complaint was Part 1 of the interview to which the Staish said "I appreciate your feelings, but do try to be a little more tactful next time."
Part 2 of the interview was to enquire why I, as SDO, was serving behind the bar on the Saturday Evening when the Staish and his Lady had appeared prior to their attendance at the Airmans Mess Summer Ball.
I replied that the Mess WO had detailed a married SAC to be barman for the evening and that I had ordered him to go home, collect his Wife and proceed to the Ball. I would look after the Bar and that any losses would be down to me. The Staish thanked me and told me I could go; and as I left I heard him tell his PA that he wanted the Officers Mess WO in his office in 5 minutes with no excuses!!
Before anyone points out that I was doing 2 SDO's that weekend,I hadn't planned to go anywhere so I volunteered to do both to get the ticks on the board. Northolt at the weekend was as dead as a Dodo in those days.
The noise complaint was Part 1 of the interview to which the Staish said "I appreciate your feelings, but do try to be a little more tactful next time."
Part 2 of the interview was to enquire why I, as SDO, was serving behind the bar on the Saturday Evening when the Staish and his Lady had appeared prior to their attendance at the Airmans Mess Summer Ball.
I replied that the Mess WO had detailed a married SAC to be barman for the evening and that I had ordered him to go home, collect his Wife and proceed to the Ball. I would look after the Bar and that any losses would be down to me. The Staish thanked me and told me I could go; and as I left I heard him tell his PA that he wanted the Officers Mess WO in his office in 5 minutes with no excuses!!
Before anyone points out that I was doing 2 SDO's that weekend,I hadn't planned to go anywhere so I volunteered to do both to get the ticks on the board. Northolt at the weekend was as dead as a Dodo in those days.
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Cazatou.
Love the story
Thing is though, why can't these senile delinquents just shut up, stop buying property near OUR airfields and go and hide somewhere like Gatwick.
Talk Wrench
Love the story
Thing is though, why can't these senile delinquents just shut up, stop buying property near OUR airfields and go and hide somewhere like Gatwick.
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Anyone need a new roof
A couple of years ago the Benson`s Co at the time related to me a noise complaint, from the Officiers patch to him one evening. The gentleman concerned had a one way interview, the next day.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
Last week, at a base not a 100 miles from the mighy wokka we had an in-house massage. Could not see what it was until we went out doors.
It was not downwash that caused the massage just the sheer pulsing vibration. Once was enough. Every day and I would either buy a Rapier (try ebay?) or sell the house (ebay again)
It was not downwash that caused the massage just the sheer pulsing vibration. Once was enough. Every day and I would either buy a Rapier (try ebay?) or sell the house (ebay again)
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Mid 90s at Benson, Saturday morning.
As SDO I fielded a flying complaint from a bloke complaining about light aircraft noise (WTF!).
Politely enquired as to the colour of the nuisance aircraft to see if it was the red and grey/white of the UAS.
Chap said he hadn't actually been outside to see it but it was really annoying!
Well I could think of a few annoying things. Like having to talk to dorks when you have a headache. Told him it was probably Kidlington aircraft as our Bulldogs fly much higher and use oxygen.
As SDO I fielded a flying complaint from a bloke complaining about light aircraft noise (WTF!).
Politely enquired as to the colour of the nuisance aircraft to see if it was the red and grey/white of the UAS.
Chap said he hadn't actually been outside to see it but it was really annoying!
Well I could think of a few annoying things. Like having to talk to dorks when you have a headache. Told him it was probably Kidlington aircraft as our Bulldogs fly much higher and use oxygen.
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Exact details - not sure, but apparently when St Mawgan was in full swing as a maritime base, the mayor of Newquay wrote to the Stn Cdr politely asking him to keep his airmen out of the town during the height of the season - interfering with the tourist trade. The summer months.
The Staish wrote an equally polite letter in reply, apologising profusely and declaring that he had no wish for the Royal Air Force to be deemed a nuisance to the local population. All personnel were henceforth to be banned from going into Newquay. Permanently. All year round.
It didn't take long for the implications to dawn overhead the mayoral office and there was considerable grovelling, profuse apologising and a plea to have the order rescinded. [Nothing to do with the fact that RAF St Mawgan personnel sustained the grotty little dump during the long winter months...]
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WRT this devious money-grabbing resident who thinks she has found a money-pit in the shape of MOD: I hope someone very soon points out to her that by law she is required to declare any disputes she has engaged in with neighbouring properties.
She has legally established the fact that Wokkas come close enough to damage the property; that might just have something to do with her inability to sell at the price she wants [if, indeed, she manages the task at all before it becomes the problem of her beneficiaries].
The Staish wrote an equally polite letter in reply, apologising profusely and declaring that he had no wish for the Royal Air Force to be deemed a nuisance to the local population. All personnel were henceforth to be banned from going into Newquay. Permanently. All year round.
It didn't take long for the implications to dawn overhead the mayoral office and there was considerable grovelling, profuse apologising and a plea to have the order rescinded. [Nothing to do with the fact that RAF St Mawgan personnel sustained the grotty little dump during the long winter months...]
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WRT this devious money-grabbing resident who thinks she has found a money-pit in the shape of MOD: I hope someone very soon points out to her that by law she is required to declare any disputes she has engaged in with neighbouring properties.
She has legally established the fact that Wokkas come close enough to damage the property; that might just have something to do with her inability to sell at the price she wants [if, indeed, she manages the task at all before it becomes the problem of her beneficiaries].
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Flying Complaints
In the 80s I handled the flying complaints for the North Of Scotland.... about 400 a year IIRC. If the claim was plausible, and many were not, the claims section of MOD used to pay up if the 'damage' was below the cost of sending an RAFP to investigate......
There was a lady in Lossiemouth who complained that an aircraft went over her house which in turn caused her dog to take fright and knock over her brand new television. Attached to her letter was a bill for an all singing and dancing TV....... I sent her a polite reply telling her that I had forwarded her complaint to MOD claims, but that it was unlikely that anything would be forthcoming. My covering note to MOD claims was somewhat tongue in cheek and suggested a restraint for the dog. MOD's response was to settle the bill in full and not even investigate...... MOD used to spend £6m a year in settling claims for low flying; it may be rather more now.....
No wonder we're broke.....
BT
Oh yes, and then there was the racehorse in Wales which MOD forked out an enormous sum for after it bolted....
There was a lady in Lossiemouth who complained that an aircraft went over her house which in turn caused her dog to take fright and knock over her brand new television. Attached to her letter was a bill for an all singing and dancing TV....... I sent her a polite reply telling her that I had forwarded her complaint to MOD claims, but that it was unlikely that anything would be forthcoming. My covering note to MOD claims was somewhat tongue in cheek and suggested a restraint for the dog. MOD's response was to settle the bill in full and not even investigate...... MOD used to spend £6m a year in settling claims for low flying; it may be rather more now.....
No wonder we're broke.....
BT
Oh yes, and then there was the racehorse in Wales which MOD forked out an enormous sum for after it bolted....
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This is just another one of those factors that continues to de-motivate Servicemen on a daily basis. I am sure all the troops living in their beautifully maintained (ahem) SFA don't mind paying their 13% rent rise straight to someone to subsidise the renovation of her 'near-derelict' manor house, especially when they have no choice where to live as it is soooo expensive around there. I am sure none of them are eagerly awaiting news of the tranche-3 redundancies...
Does make me wish that I had complained about the noise the Skodas and TriStars used to make when I lived in the front of the Mess at Brize though....
Does make me wish that I had complained about the noise the Skodas and TriStars used to make when I lived in the front of the Mess at Brize though....
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See the thread about Lyneham closing and the possibility of all SH moving there. Wallingford has just woken up to the potential loss of 1700 service people and their buying power and 170 civvy jobs, yet for years people have bleated about noise from Benson, despite the base having been built in the 1930s.
Surprisingly the most irritating noise (and it's low on the scale) is the sound of the UAS/EFT Grobs climbing to altitude - it's quite a piercing buzz.
Surprisingly the most irritating noise (and it's low on the scale) is the sound of the UAS/EFT Grobs climbing to altitude - it's quite a piercing buzz.
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IMHO the MOD should not compensate this house owner with cash but rather send a contractor round to make the repair. That way the owner has to have the repair done rather than pocket the cash.
Wouldnt it be ironic if all the SH ended up at Odiham?? I wonder what she would dream up next.
Wouldnt it be ironic if all the SH ended up at Odiham?? I wonder what she would dream up next.
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I'm with Gainesy and PPacifier on this, as I also live directly under the flight path of the mighty Wokka when it's bimbling around the environs. I'd be happier under the flight path of an F4 base, but that's another story.
I wonder how much she would have complained if she had been there for the Queens' Coronation Review and flypast in the 50's?
Whatever happened to "taking responsibility for ones actions" when buying a house? She can't miss the big red signs that are all over the place there, can she?
Makes my blood boil, bl00dy huggy-fluffy, not my fault, blame someone else, blame anyone else but me, whinge, whinge, where's my compensation, I demand to be protected from myself, etc etc.
jf
I wonder how much she would have complained if she had been there for the Queens' Coronation Review and flypast in the 50's?
Whatever happened to "taking responsibility for ones actions" when buying a house? She can't miss the big red signs that are all over the place there, can she?
Makes my blood boil, bl00dy huggy-fluffy, not my fault, blame someone else, blame anyone else but me, whinge, whinge, where's my compensation, I demand to be protected from myself, etc etc.
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I had had a bellyful of the aftermath of a local crash where several guys died. In the middle of it all a call was put through to me from an irate bloke complaining about low-flying aircraft, and didn't this latest crash prove the point? And who was going to pay compensation for the damage caused?
The Staish was standing in front of me at the time and I looked him in the eye as I told this pratt [for that is what I called him] that several good men died. Who was going to compensate their families for the loss of the men who gave their lives for their country? I then suggested that he put his complaint in writing, and I would ensure that the MOD fully investigated his complaint, and I would furthermore ensure a copy of his letter reached the widows, the local and national press and television. No doubt, I told him, he would be sought after to give interviews allowing him to give his viewpoint a public airing.
Finally, I said, I would ensure that he receive an invitation to each funeral, where he could voice his grievance to those perpetrators of the acts he so loudly complained about. I then put the phone down [which is something I would not normally dream of doing].
Staish's PA later told me that the pratt had complained to the Staish about my attitude, whereupon the Staish gave him an earful as well.
It's good to talk...
The Staish was standing in front of me at the time and I looked him in the eye as I told this pratt [for that is what I called him] that several good men died. Who was going to compensate their families for the loss of the men who gave their lives for their country? I then suggested that he put his complaint in writing, and I would ensure that the MOD fully investigated his complaint, and I would furthermore ensure a copy of his letter reached the widows, the local and national press and television. No doubt, I told him, he would be sought after to give interviews allowing him to give his viewpoint a public airing.
Finally, I said, I would ensure that he receive an invitation to each funeral, where he could voice his grievance to those perpetrators of the acts he so loudly complained about. I then put the phone down [which is something I would not normally dream of doing].
Staish's PA later told me that the pratt had complained to the Staish about my attitude, whereupon the Staish gave him an earful as well.
It's good to talk...
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Its a shame that the MOD doesn't include a comprehensive module within the Officer training programme which pertains to MOD staff regarding civillians as normal people, without making patronising and condesending remarks about them, and constantly reminding the world what wonderful upstanding people serving personnel are.
If you'd bothered to read the remarks of the background of this complaint properly, you would know that it is a genuine complaint, backed up not just by professional reports from INDEPENDANTqualified surveyors, but also from her insurance company's own survey staff.
The claim of this lady is fully supported by both, neither of which have anything to gain as they will be the ones paying out, and ultimately, all she wants is the helicopters to divert aroung the area, not a big problem and one which could be sorted with a very small amount of forethought and commonsense.
It's rather unfortunate that there have been the usual references to the lady concerned owning an expensive property and therfore she should pay fo everything herself, again, had you bothered to check, she is on a very limited income and just happens to be living in a property that's worth a lot.
A very common trait these days, I am sure that many of you have parents in the same position and you're hovering like vultures.
Shame on you gentlemen (and Ladies if appropriate), your inability to see beyond the mess is extremely unfortunate but not entirely suprising.
If you'd bothered to read the remarks of the background of this complaint properly, you would know that it is a genuine complaint, backed up not just by professional reports from INDEPENDANTqualified surveyors, but also from her insurance company's own survey staff.
The claim of this lady is fully supported by both, neither of which have anything to gain as they will be the ones paying out, and ultimately, all she wants is the helicopters to divert aroung the area, not a big problem and one which could be sorted with a very small amount of forethought and commonsense.
It's rather unfortunate that there have been the usual references to the lady concerned owning an expensive property and therfore she should pay fo everything herself, again, had you bothered to check, she is on a very limited income and just happens to be living in a property that's worth a lot.
A very common trait these days, I am sure that many of you have parents in the same position and you're hovering like vultures.
Shame on you gentlemen (and Ladies if appropriate), your inability to see beyond the mess is extremely unfortunate but not entirely suprising.
This still does not change the fact that she moved into the house in the knowledge that the airfield operated Chinooks only a few miles away.
I do sincerely hope her insurance company are paying out...it's just a shame that money also has to come from the taxpayers pocket.
ps. Can you (are you in a position to) honestly say that the damage sustained was due to helicopter downwash/vibration? As already posted by a structural engineer on this thread...
I do sincerely hope her insurance company are paying out...it's just a shame that money also has to come from the taxpayers pocket.
ps. Can you (are you in a position to) honestly say that the damage sustained was due to helicopter downwash/vibration? As already posted by a structural engineer on this thread...
If I worked for the MOD I would have told her to go and 
herself.
herself.
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As we are talking about noise complaints, I will throw this one in for those who haven't heard it before
It's and oldy, but a goody
Need to select Win Real Time player
http://stevepenk.com/file.ram
Enjoy!
It's and oldy, but a goody
Need to select Win Real Time player
http://stevepenk.com/file.ram
Enjoy!