RAF JPA Rollout
From another thread.........
Originally Posted by High Wing Drifter
I was an IT architect on the MoD's AAFPA project. The purpose of which was to unify all pay and administration for all three services.
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JPA
Well, Wingco whatsizface has been proved right so far I think. Logged on just now via DII and all the bits were working as promised, I'm not trying to PVR or rescind one so I'm impressed so far.
Wonder how long before it crashes, or will it be taken off of us again for the pay run this month?
Wonder how long before it crashes, or will it be taken off of us again for the pay run this month?
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Originally Posted by ScapegoatisaSolution
PN,
If it still is PSF why did I have to send my receipts to 'Chf Clk, HR Flight'?
Kev Nurse/Kitbag,
Being told by the HR staff that JPA is not their fault and responsibility is utter bollox. If I was told to address admin enquiries to the JPAC or Air Cdre T at Worthy Down, why are they still employed on base in the HR Flt? This came from the person I have to send my receipts for audit. Should I send my receipts in future to the JPAC or Worthy Down? The answer is no I shouldn't because unit admin still exists and should be the point of contact.
Ringing the JPAC is a waste of time in both waiting for an answer and the answer you get from the Helpdesk personnel. Like HR Flt, these helpdesk personnel do not have the knowledge to be of any use - but why should we accept that? It is no good saying that it'll be OK in a few years or the staff will learn as you are messing with money and morale.
I accept the point that responsibility for JPA should only be a third for the light blue adminers as its purple. I also accept the point of venting our spleen at the person signing it off but who is that? Who is going to listen and get it fixed?
If it still is PSF why did I have to send my receipts to 'Chf Clk, HR Flight'?
Kev Nurse/Kitbag,
Being told by the HR staff that JPA is not their fault and responsibility is utter bollox. If I was told to address admin enquiries to the JPAC or Air Cdre T at Worthy Down, why are they still employed on base in the HR Flt? This came from the person I have to send my receipts for audit. Should I send my receipts in future to the JPAC or Worthy Down? The answer is no I shouldn't because unit admin still exists and should be the point of contact.
Ringing the JPAC is a waste of time in both waiting for an answer and the answer you get from the Helpdesk personnel. Like HR Flt, these helpdesk personnel do not have the knowledge to be of any use - but why should we accept that? It is no good saying that it'll be OK in a few years or the staff will learn as you are messing with money and morale.
I accept the point that responsibility for JPA should only be a third for the light blue adminers as its purple. I also accept the point of venting our spleen at the person signing it off but who is that? Who is going to listen and get it fixed?
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Things seemed to have improved today and could access most parts of the system. Still waiting for a response from the JPAC ref 2 expense claims though.
However, whilst I was waiting for JPAC to answer this morning I listened to the full range of musak inc 633 Sqn, Dambusters and then moved onto a selection of Bond soundtracks which got me thinking. What music would you expect or want to hear whilst you are waiting for JPAC to pick up the phone?
My starter for ten would be the theme tune from 'Mission Impossible'.
However, whilst I was waiting for JPAC to answer this morning I listened to the full range of musak inc 633 Sqn, Dambusters and then moved onto a selection of Bond soundtracks which got me thinking. What music would you expect or want to hear whilst you are waiting for JPAC to pick up the phone?
My starter for ten would be the theme tune from 'Mission Impossible'.
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No Flying pay this month, together with 1100 others or so. Not paid fg pay with the later, 'catch-all' BACS payments in early May. Had to chase up on the JPA hotline, after 40 mins in queue they couldn't get my details up on their screen either and I was referred back to sqn Admin staff. Sweet.
After the initial pay F*ck up, about 800 people received a BACS payment to cover fg pay, and about 500 people were missed AGAIN. It's now up to individuals who missed the fg pay payment TWICE to make the necessary noise and chase it up as there 'isn't time' to see if everyone got paid.
Apparently specialist pay wasn't 'a priority' this month. Wish I could prioritise my mortgage payments!
After the initial pay F*ck up, about 800 people received a BACS payment to cover fg pay, and about 500 people were missed AGAIN. It's now up to individuals who missed the fg pay payment TWICE to make the necessary noise and chase it up as there 'isn't time' to see if everyone got paid.
Apparently specialist pay wasn't 'a priority' this month. Wish I could prioritise my mortgage payments!
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What music would you expect or want to hear whilst you are waiting for JPAC to pick up the phone?
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Day 12:
Still no flying pay, basic wrong, incorrect deductions, rank wrong, LSA wrong.
I was however able to access JPA today and view my pay statement (still no paper copy) but alas, I hadn't dreamt the above comments, it is all still wrong.
Oh, some kind HR dude/dudess has put my leave in for the end of the month bank holiday. Whoops, I'm on an exped then!! There's no facility to cancel it! More phone calls next week then.
Still no flying pay, basic wrong, incorrect deductions, rank wrong, LSA wrong.
I was however able to access JPA today and view my pay statement (still no paper copy) but alas, I hadn't dreamt the above comments, it is all still wrong.
Oh, some kind HR dude/dudess has put my leave in for the end of the month bank holiday. Whoops, I'm on an exped then!! There's no facility to cancel it! More phone calls next week then.
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It seems that a batch of expense claims, including mine have been paid into cyberspace. They have been showing as paid for 11 days now but have not gone into bank accounts.
Helpdesk say that they were paid out by Centurion but it seems neither they or the people at Worthy Down are accepting that its their problem so we will just have to wait for our money.
Still can't put in an overseas next of kin - Query raised over a month ago.
Still cant find anyone at the JPAC who can sort out the address to which they sent my pay statement.
I feel that there is a way to go yet before all is well with JPA
Helpdesk say that they were paid out by Centurion but it seems neither they or the people at Worthy Down are accepting that its their problem so we will just have to wait for our money.
Still can't put in an overseas next of kin - Query raised over a month ago.
Still cant find anyone at the JPAC who can sort out the address to which they sent my pay statement.
I feel that there is a way to go yet before all is well with JPA
Well, as pledged before, fair play to the fella, give him his due.
From what I've seen today (Friday afters 1630..........) it seemed to be working OK and at a reasonable speed too. Is there a Strike stand down today and I'm the only one who didn't know?
Shame about all the errors that still haven't been sorted yet. Will that be next Friday? Hope those affected have some success soon.
Jobza
From what I've seen today (Friday afters 1630..........) it seemed to be working OK and at a reasonable speed too. Is there a Strike stand down today and I'm the only one who didn't know?
Shame about all the errors that still haven't been sorted yet. Will that be next Friday? Hope those affected have some success soon.
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I got my pay statement! - and my mate got his page 2 of 2 (alas, no page 1).
Now at least I know for sure that I didn't get my flying pay. Ironically enough - I flew over 100 hours last month.
Now at least I know for sure that I didn't get my flying pay. Ironically enough - I flew over 100 hours last month.
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As MilSpFunc says, and he should know as he went through the mud and the blood and the green fields beyond to tell you where the responsibility lies, it is one of your own and we are eternally grateful that 'cos we have no real DII that it cannot be done to us ...... yet.
Still it seems to be getting better (is that true?) and you all seem happily now able to carry out your own admin. So is it all that ends well ....?
Still it seems to be getting better (is that true?) and you all seem happily now able to carry out your own admin. So is it all that ends well ....?
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RAF Takes Off With Joint Personnel Administration (JPA)
But it's all been a massive success...
http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/news_0605_08.html
....hasn't it?
** WARNING - For your keyboard's sake please put down your tea before opening the link. **
On 20 March 06, the Armed Forces Personnel Administration Agency (AFPAA) successfully rolled out JPA to over 48,000 RAF Service personnel throughout the world on time and on budget.
....hasn't it?
** WARNING - For your keyboard's sake please put down your tea before opening the link. **
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Thanks for the warning!!
I'm considerably out of pocket. I've seen the letter dated 2 May from the AMP stating that the flying pay would be paid that week, it wasn't. I've heard rumours it'll be paid in the May pay, JPAC couldn't confirm this. I don't know for sure when and if I'm getting my money, this month? next?
If anybody wants to play a tune for me on their violin, I'm staying in tonight as I can't afford to go out, and we know why that is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm considerably out of pocket. I've seen the letter dated 2 May from the AMP stating that the flying pay would be paid that week, it wasn't. I've heard rumours it'll be paid in the May pay, JPAC couldn't confirm this. I don't know for sure when and if I'm getting my money, this month? next?
If anybody wants to play a tune for me on their violin, I'm staying in tonight as I can't afford to go out, and we know why that is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I finally managed to book some leave on the JPA system yesterday and most of its features seem to be active. But in my opinion, there is still a lot of work to be done to JPA before it can be considered a success. The 2 most important issues that have to be fixed are:
The introduction of SSL security. The civil servants have it on their HRMS system, so why can't we have that level of security too?
The overall user unfriendliness of the system. No disrespect intended, but although the RAF may be able to cope with JPA, I dread to think what will happen when 100,000 Army troops try to use it. Anyone managed to update their next-of-kin details yet?
The introduction of SSL security. The civil servants have it on their HRMS system, so why can't we have that level of security too?
The overall user unfriendliness of the system. No disrespect intended, but although the RAF may be able to cope with JPA, I dread to think what will happen when 100,000 Army troops try to use it. Anyone managed to update their next-of-kin details yet?
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Leave Passes
I have a leave pass somewhere in my in tray. What do I do with it?
PN,
If it is your own leave pass then bin it, if it is one of your staff's then bin it and if you do not know who it belongs to then bin it.
You will be adding to the collective greater good and doing nice turn for the individual involved. I have attempted to generate leave passes on the system and have failed. Therefore, if my work does not really care where I am, why should I waste my time trying to tell them
ALWAYS assume NEVER check
If it is your own leave pass then bin it, if it is one of your staff's then bin it and if you do not know who it belongs to then bin it.
You will be adding to the collective greater good and doing nice turn for the individual involved. I have attempted to generate leave passes on the system and have failed. Therefore, if my work does not really care where I am, why should I waste my time trying to tell them
ALWAYS assume NEVER check
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Akula,
It was a semi-humourous rhetorical suggestion. I don't have a JPA password and it is not my leave pass.
Unfortunately I believe it was put on my desk last Tuesday and I am not going on leave myself until the end of the month. It is only on the last day of the month that I clear my in-tray and file things appropriately.
This means my tray will not be cleared until 30 June.
It was a semi-humourous rhetorical suggestion. I don't have a JPA password and it is not my leave pass.
Unfortunately I believe it was put on my desk last Tuesday and I am not going on leave myself until the end of the month. It is only on the last day of the month that I clear my in-tray and file things appropriately.
This means my tray will not be cleared until 30 June.
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Brown Job says <<'cos we have no real DII that it cannot be done to us ...... yet.>>
Don't we know it. Enter everything into HRMS, print it out, mail it to HQ. at least our DII terminal came with a high speed printer.
Purple Navigator
Don't we know it. Enter everything into HRMS, print it out, mail it to HQ. at least our DII terminal came with a high speed printer.
Purple Navigator