RAF JPA Rollout
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"JPA represents a significant culture change. But if we can embrace that change, there will be lots of opportunities for improvements to the way we do business." Air Marshal Hot Air
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I would suggest a lot more than inconvenient if someone was to slip into the red due to the pay c&*k up. Unacceptable, incompetence, straw, camel and back are all words that spring to mind before 'inconvenient'. However, I do accept your premis that it could be worse. Yes we still have our jobs, but your comment about a fat bloke nicking our pensions ....................
.......... you are talking about Brown aren't you?
I would suggest a lot more than inconvenient if someone was to slip into the red due to the pay c&*k up. Unacceptable, incompetence, straw, camel and back are all words that spring to mind before 'inconvenient'. However, I do accept your premis that it could be worse. Yes we still have our jobs, but your comment about a fat bloke nicking our pensions ....................
.......... you are talking about Brown aren't you?
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Here's today's happy little extract from the JPA (Non) Operational Bulletin
System performance issues continue and there is no predicted date for resolution. Today’s attempts (Monday, 24 Apr 06) to provide some access to self-service failed and it is likely this situation will continue until fixes to the performance issues are implemented. Rather than persist in our attempts to get self-service users onto JPA with little likelihood of success, we wish to adopt the following plan for Tue 25 Apr:
a. 0700-1700 - HR professional users provided with access
b. 0700-1700 - Payroll allowed access
c. 1700-2300 - AFPAA - payroll and other technical diagnostics, etc
As we do not know when the performance issues will be resolved, we are now planning for a second round of contingencies based upon the following and with a planning assumption that they could be in place until 12 May 06:
a.An opportunity for unit HR staff to represent issues from their unit personnel to the Enquiry Centre and JPAC Back Office.
b. The provision of some administrative functions such as expenses.
The basis of the contingencies will be that they are linked to pay and allowances and that is where our priority must lie.
Hard copies of pay slips were printed and dispatched to units today from where they will be distributed under unit arrangements. Before seeking to contact the Enquiry Centre on a pay related issue, individuals should seek to obtain their hard copy pay statements first.
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Hard to know where to begin, isn't it?
System performance issues continue and there is no predicted date for resolution. Today’s attempts (Monday, 24 Apr 06) to provide some access to self-service failed and it is likely this situation will continue until fixes to the performance issues are implemented. Rather than persist in our attempts to get self-service users onto JPA with little likelihood of success, we wish to adopt the following plan for Tue 25 Apr:
a. 0700-1700 - HR professional users provided with access
b. 0700-1700 - Payroll allowed access
c. 1700-2300 - AFPAA - payroll and other technical diagnostics, etc
As we do not know when the performance issues will be resolved, we are now planning for a second round of contingencies based upon the following and with a planning assumption that they could be in place until 12 May 06:
a.An opportunity for unit HR staff to represent issues from their unit personnel to the Enquiry Centre and JPAC Back Office.
b. The provision of some administrative functions such as expenses.
The basis of the contingencies will be that they are linked to pay and allowances and that is where our priority must lie.
Hard copies of pay slips were printed and dispatched to units today from where they will be distributed under unit arrangements. Before seeking to contact the Enquiry Centre on a pay related issue, individuals should seek to obtain their hard copy pay statements first.
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Hard to know where to begin, isn't it?
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"20 Apr 06 - there will be NO Self-service User access. Professional Users may continue to use the system.
Self Service Users will be notified when they may access the system. This will be done from the Operations Room via unit Chf Clks.
These access restrictions are to allow essential system performance testing to continue. "
Can't wait till they say we can use it and 1000 people try to log on at the same time. Chances of a system meltdown = High!
Self Service Users will be notified when they may access the system. This will be done from the Operations Room via unit Chf Clks.
These access restrictions are to allow essential system performance testing to continue. "
Can't wait till they say we can use it and 1000 people try to log on at the same time. Chances of a system meltdown = High!
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From the AFPAA Web-site:
Our Vision : To deliver excellent Armed Forces personnel administration through outstanding customer service
Our Mission : To support UK Defence capability through the accurate payment of military personnel and provision of quality personnel administration and information services on a harmonised basis
Oh thats all right then .... how I laughed. CEA 2 days late (thanks nice Mr Bursar chappy) and still owed over £1000 in expenses. Good news is that I've got my McDonalds Hospitality Card, given that's about all you can afford in London for £21 per day combined lunch and dinner allowance!
Rant over .... for now
Our Vision : To deliver excellent Armed Forces personnel administration through outstanding customer service
Our Mission : To support UK Defence capability through the accurate payment of military personnel and provision of quality personnel administration and information services on a harmonised basis
Oh thats all right then .... how I laughed. CEA 2 days late (thanks nice Mr Bursar chappy) and still owed over £1000 in expenses. Good news is that I've got my McDonalds Hospitality Card, given that's about all you can afford in London for £21 per day combined lunch and dinner allowance!
Rant over .... for now
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JPA Pay
Here's the latest nugget from AMP - the good news is that only some will not get their flying pay! Join the JPA lottery now! I bet some chaps at AFPAA are getting pineapples placed in orifices that they'd rather remain intact.
JPA LAUNCH - FLYING PAY AND LATEST UPDATE
Although elements of the JPA rollout have not gone as smoothly as planned, I would like to emphasise that preparations by RAF personnel have been as thorough as they possibly could have been and reflect the considerable effort that staffs throughout the RAF have put into enabling JPA roll out. My staff continue to work with AFPAA to ensure that they, EDS and Oracle have any information they require to resolve the current system performance issues.
I am aware that a number of people have concerns about pay and pay related issues, but much of that debate is clouded by a lack of fact. Addressees will be aware that an anomaly in the payment of flying pay was identified yesterday in connection with Apr 06 pay statements. Overnight investigation has revealed that around 1100 individuals were not allocated flying pay. The source of the problem has been identified as an initial entry sequencing error in the transition to JPA. Remedial action has been swift and a further pay run will be completed today to allow the vast majority of these individuals to receive their entitlement correctly and on time. I am informed that subsequent pay runs will not be affected in the same way.
Work continues to address the system performance issue and the fault is thought to lie in the self-service area. Expert Oracle and EDS staff continue to assist AFPAA in seeking resolution. In the last week, each time that self-service was enabled the system quickly ground to a halt. For the time being access will be limited to HR professionals who will be asked to log on as self-service users at different times to enable system performance data to be gleaned. This, in turn, will assist the diagnostic and resolution process. In the meantime, self-service users will not have access to the system.
Urgent contingency planning to identify the critical self-service processes to ensure business continuity is in train. Work to date has centred on having a viable alternative method to allow the payment of expenses. Other areas identified include having an alternative method of leave entry and a means of individuals entering posting choices. Whilst I remain optimistic that the self service system performance problem will be rectified soon, I will implement an alternative process next week should it be necessary to do so. I will update you on progress in due course, but in the meantime urge you to publicise widely this update and link to the AFPAA JPA operational bulletins.
AMP
Although elements of the JPA rollout have not gone as smoothly as planned, I would like to emphasise that preparations by RAF personnel have been as thorough as they possibly could have been and reflect the considerable effort that staffs throughout the RAF have put into enabling JPA roll out. My staff continue to work with AFPAA to ensure that they, EDS and Oracle have any information they require to resolve the current system performance issues.
I am aware that a number of people have concerns about pay and pay related issues, but much of that debate is clouded by a lack of fact. Addressees will be aware that an anomaly in the payment of flying pay was identified yesterday in connection with Apr 06 pay statements. Overnight investigation has revealed that around 1100 individuals were not allocated flying pay. The source of the problem has been identified as an initial entry sequencing error in the transition to JPA. Remedial action has been swift and a further pay run will be completed today to allow the vast majority of these individuals to receive their entitlement correctly and on time. I am informed that subsequent pay runs will not be affected in the same way.
Work continues to address the system performance issue and the fault is thought to lie in the self-service area. Expert Oracle and EDS staff continue to assist AFPAA in seeking resolution. In the last week, each time that self-service was enabled the system quickly ground to a halt. For the time being access will be limited to HR professionals who will be asked to log on as self-service users at different times to enable system performance data to be gleaned. This, in turn, will assist the diagnostic and resolution process. In the meantime, self-service users will not have access to the system.
Urgent contingency planning to identify the critical self-service processes to ensure business continuity is in train. Work to date has centred on having a viable alternative method to allow the payment of expenses. Other areas identified include having an alternative method of leave entry and a means of individuals entering posting choices. Whilst I remain optimistic that the self service system performance problem will be rectified soon, I will implement an alternative process next week should it be necessary to do so. I will update you on progress in due course, but in the meantime urge you to publicise widely this update and link to the AFPAA JPA operational bulletins.
AMP
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Originally Posted by AMP
Work continues to address the system performance issue and the fault is thought to lie in the self-service area.
Edit: Quoted something random by mistake
Last edited by MostlyHarmless; 25th April 2006 at 15:57.
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So the money they thought they would save on buying a cheap, obsolete and unsupported version of Oracle is now probably going to cost a shed load more with all the soft and hardware "fixes", than if they were to have coughed up for a decent system in the first place. Bravo!
Buy cheap, get cr@p.
Buy cheap, get cr@p.
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The rumours have turned out to be correct! I am not getting my flying pay as I am on a ground tour, but I am glad to announce that a Sqn Ldr Supply Officer on the same unit is 
Bet he is very happy at the moment.
At least I can sleep soundly tonight in the knowledge that heads will roll over this shambolic chapter, and that lessons will be learnt to ensure that it will never happen again
I wonder if all our lords and masters currently flying desks have experienced the same problem? Let me think now......
Bet he is very happy at the moment.At least I can sleep soundly tonight in the knowledge that heads will roll over this shambolic chapter, and that lessons will be learnt to ensure that it will never happen again
I wonder if all our lords and masters currently flying desks have experienced the same problem? Let me think now......
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Stupid Boy
The problem is that our lords & masters earn enough that missing flying pay isn't that important, there are many others for whom this is not the case.
What I found quite incredulous from AMP's ditti is this quote: "Whilst I remain optimistic that the self service system performance problem will be rectified soon, etc". Optimistic, your having a laugh
The problem is that our lords & masters earn enough that missing flying pay isn't that important, there are many others for whom this is not the case.
What I found quite incredulous from AMP's ditti is this quote: "Whilst I remain optimistic that the self service system performance problem will be rectified soon, etc". Optimistic, your having a laugh
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The problem is that our lords & masters earn enough that missing flying pay isn't that important, there are many others for whom this is not the case.
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Originally Posted by Hydraulic Palm Tree
Anybody got a clue what the Service Days Pay Giving is for?HPT
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Although elements of the JPA rollout have not gone as smoothly as planned
I am aware that a number of people have concerns about pay and pay related issues
For the time being access will be limited to HR professionals who will be asked to log on as self-service users at different times to enable system performance data to be gleaned. This, in turn, will assist the diagnostic and resolution process. In the meantime, self-service users will not have access to the system.
business continuity
Tossers, this is now beyond a joke, whoever is repsonsible should be sacked, no payoff, no pension, just collect a hand written P45 and sod off !
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stupid boy, Stupid Boy!
How out of touch are you? We stopped all that "lessons learnt" nonsense ages ago! They are now "lessons identified" as we no longer are required to learn from our mistakes, just admit that we make them.
This would all be hysterical...if it weren't for the fact it is our hard earned cash they a fekin with!
At least I can sleep soundly tonight in the knowledge that heads will roll over this shambolic chapter, and that lessons will be learnt to ensure that it will never happen again
This would all be hysterical...if it weren't for the fact it is our hard earned cash they a fekin with!
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And the best bit .................................... You can't even PVR because to do that you have to have access to the system. Brilliant, retention solved in one computer purchase!
I too am one of the 1100 who will not get their full pay this month. I don't intend to take it lying down either. Nor does Mrs REMF! She is not best pleased at all!
Name another company that introduces a computer system without first a. checking it works and b. having both systems work in parallel [never could spell that word!]
I too am one of the 1100 who will not get their full pay this month. I don't intend to take it lying down either. Nor does Mrs REMF! She is not best pleased at all!
Name another company that introduces a computer system without first a. checking it works and b. having both systems work in parallel [never could spell that word!]
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From: Nomadic
SAREMF, Just walk! - Do it now!, it will take JPA 80+ years to find you - and attedmpt to re-calim your pay (Full pay - Flying pay = fair pension for rest of life). By then, even Mrs REMF will be too old to care!