Yet another F104 question
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Yet another F104 question
As a small person I remember being fascinated by the F104 wing being described as "so thin the leading and trailing edges were razor sharp, with ground crew requiring gloves to avoid injury" or something to that effect.
Twenty years older and it seems a bit far fetched. It is a thin wing, but sharp?
Does the razor edge have any base in reality or is it a myth dreamed up by those who write books about aeroplanes for children (or Lockheed PR)?
Twenty years older and it seems a bit far fetched. It is a thin wing, but sharp?
Does the razor edge have any base in reality or is it a myth dreamed up by those who write books about aeroplanes for children (or Lockheed PR)?
Re: Yet another F104 question
I have another question too: when I was struggling to hit the airfield during my PFLs on the JP3A course, my instructor said something like:
"you should try this on Starfighters, mate. High Key in one of those is over 30 thousand feet"
...can anyone verify?
"you should try this on Starfighters, mate. High Key in one of those is over 30 thousand feet"
...can anyone verify?
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Re: Yet another F104 question
Probably not far out. You only have to look at the wing area to realise that the Starfighter was not a glider in any way, shape or form.
I will check with an ex-104 pal and see what the correct answer is.
I will check with an ex-104 pal and see what the correct answer is.
Re: Yet another F104 question
I remember being told a similar kind of thing by the Mirage III guys, high key about 30,000, and that a couple of test pilots had done themselves in seeing if the flare would arrest the rate of descent OK - may be a load of rubbish of course.
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Re: Yet another F104 question
Hi key 30,000', Lo key 15,000' over the threshold 135 deg off landing direction (ie, 225 deg left to turn), blow-down bottle at 200'.
I recall loosing an acquaintance who had everything set when he hit the bottle, got three wheels and one (out of two) leading edge flap. (battle damage, VN, Chu Lai 1965).
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I recall loosing an acquaintance who had everything set when he hit the bottle, got three wheels and one (out of two) leading edge flap. (battle damage, VN, Chu Lai 1965).
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Re: Yet another F104 question
As I remember, the Dash1 mentioned a Hi Key of the pre-mentioned size, but it was never contemplated nor practised. The nearest to it was a simulated partial power approach - simulating a blown efflux nozzle. Speed down the slope for a 1 in 1 type profile was 260 + fuel, with the boots being selected as soon you were over the lights. Worked well.
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Re: Yet another F104 question
[QUOTE][similar kind of thing by the Mirage III /QUOTE]
Story told in Oz of RAAF deadsticking a Mirage III. May be just that, a story.
Story told in Oz of RAAF deadsticking a Mirage III. May be just that, a story.
