People going sick.
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Your correct and Ive saught advice many many times. I didn't state that I was the perfect leader....possibly only Adolf himself would claim that spot, but I do think that rather than manking and moaning about Mr Wippy's staff problems he should start doing what he is paid for.
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As a recent ex SNCO how, if what you are saying is true, did this guy make it to SAC?
Yes i had problem children come out of the training unit, not my problem over to you etc, but they never made it passed first base and people on this forum will back me up on that.
Who signed off his TATS?
Your problem, you solve it and lead like you were taught to do. Time for a visit to the Chief Clerk me thinks rather than asking for advice on here... its an aircrew forum. Point taken.
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Yes i had problem children come out of the training unit, not my problem over to you etc, but they never made it passed first base and people on this forum will back me up on that.
Who signed off his TATS?
Your problem, you solve it and lead like you were taught to do. Time for a visit to the Chief Clerk me thinks rather than asking for advice on here... its an aircrew forum. Point taken.
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It certainly is NOT an aircrew forum, solely. To quote from the Forum Header it is "A forum for the professionals who fly the non-civilian hardware, and the backroom boys and girls without whom nothing would leave the ground. Army, Navy and Airforces of the World, all equally welcome here."
Re: People going sick.
This thread discusses an issue that has crossed my mind more than a few times, and more than a few of my oppoes have asked the question on J / IMLC, "how to deal with a persistently problematical person?" when the cards seem to be stacked in the troublemaker's favour. None of us ever received remotely useful guidance on the matter.
In the example here, if a person is a "taker", without seemingly giving anything to the team in return, their actions chip away at the morale and goodwill of their peers, and the whole effort suffers if positive action / a firm hand is not seen to be taken; unfortunately, such action appears difficult for the reason described by Big Tudor. If a person cannot be relied upon to make any effort in their job at whatever level they operate at, they should be removed as quickly as possible and placed non-effective somewhere until they are sorted out or discharged. What use would someone like this be in, say, Iraq or Afghanistan (assuming you could get them there) where everyone has to stand up and be counted?
Just because someone is a "sickie" doesn't mean they can't do a good job either, we all know someone doing just that - everybody with a shred of integrity is capable of giving something. The SAC in Wippy's situation would APPEAR to be a malingering git who thinks they're untouchable, so why not give them the impression that you're building a case for discharge, as Insty66 describes, to see if that changes their attitude? Or perhaps Echo5's peer counselling?
The officer corps always seemed to me to be happily ruthless in weeding out people who wouldn't play the game, often to extremes it has to be said. What would the advice be if this was a Flt / Sqn commander describing a Fg Off for example?
In the example here, if a person is a "taker", without seemingly giving anything to the team in return, their actions chip away at the morale and goodwill of their peers, and the whole effort suffers if positive action / a firm hand is not seen to be taken; unfortunately, such action appears difficult for the reason described by Big Tudor. If a person cannot be relied upon to make any effort in their job at whatever level they operate at, they should be removed as quickly as possible and placed non-effective somewhere until they are sorted out or discharged. What use would someone like this be in, say, Iraq or Afghanistan (assuming you could get them there) where everyone has to stand up and be counted?
Just because someone is a "sickie" doesn't mean they can't do a good job either, we all know someone doing just that - everybody with a shred of integrity is capable of giving something. The SAC in Wippy's situation would APPEAR to be a malingering git who thinks they're untouchable, so why not give them the impression that you're building a case for discharge, as Insty66 describes, to see if that changes their attitude? Or perhaps Echo5's peer counselling?
The officer corps always seemed to me to be happily ruthless in weeding out people who wouldn't play the game, often to extremes it has to be said. What would the advice be if this was a Flt / Sqn commander describing a Fg Off for example?
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Similiar Problem last year, person was a social hand grenande tried councilling, took advice, spoke to every person I could but then had a eureka moment... Often the individual in question has an elevated opinion of their own self worth... So I used their own opinion to make them think that they should push themselves forward and get a new job with more responsibility. 15 applications later they got a new job and became someone elses headache. I had promised myself that I would manage the problem but after 18 months with the team morale falling through the floor I gave up and got rid.
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Anything further on this one Mr Wippy? More than a few interested in the folllowup, I daresay.
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We have one of those that likes to play the sicknote card quite often. Would it be a supprise if I said it was one of our female counterparts? Not content with just playing the blob card.
It really hacks me off as others are always getting dicked with covering for her when she decides to play the sickie. Put the lot of them out to pasture/of their misery.
We also had a lad doing the same, only his sick chits were forged. His mate down the med centre was stamping them for him. Glad to say he's out now!
It really hacks me off as others are always getting dicked with covering for her when she decides to play the sickie. Put the lot of them out to pasture/of their misery.
We also had a lad doing the same, only his sick chits were forged. His mate down the med centre was stamping them for him. Glad to say he's out now!
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Originally Posted by Jobza Guddun
Anything further on this one Mr Wippy? More than a few interested in the folllowup, I daresay.
Well, funnily enough yes there is!
Friday, the individual came into my office and asked for a chat.
Whilst she was out, one of my other SAC's came to me and explained that the 'problem' SAC had threatened to assault him during an argument between the SAC's.
The argument was about how much work everyone was or wasn't doing, and about how much time 'certain' people get off sick.
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Mr Wippy
I am sure downside will soon be on to provide some more classic advice from the Air Cadet manual of leadership.
Hope it works out, but what will you say when a potential new boss rings up to ask about her ?
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I am sure downside will soon be on to provide some more classic advice from the Air Cadet manual of leadership.
Hope it works out, but what will you say when a potential new boss rings up to ask about her ?
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Originally Posted by Safety_Helmut
Mr Wippy
I am sure downside will soon be on to provide some more classic advice from the Air Cadet manual of leadership.
Hope it works out, but what will you say when a potential new boss rings up to ask about her ?
SH
I am sure downside will soon be on to provide some more classic advice from the Air Cadet manual of leadership.
Hope it works out, but what will you say when a potential new boss rings up to ask about her ?
SH
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Originally Posted by movadinkampa747
Mr wippy,
Perhaps you could point the individual in the direction of this thread. I am sure some lawyer could get lots of money from the RAF due to you slandering this individual on an open forum.
Perhaps you could point the individual in the direction of this thread. I am sure some lawyer could get lots of money from the RAF due to you slandering this individual on an open forum.
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Originally Posted by movadinkampa747
It wouldn't be too difficult for the individual concerned to work it out.
I bow to your powers of deduction and skill
Now go and finish your homework.
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Originally Posted by movadinkampa747
Mr wippy,
Perhaps you could point the individual in the direction of this thread. I am sure some lawyer could get lots of money from the RAF due to you slandering this individual on an open forum.
Perhaps you could point the individual in the direction of this thread. I am sure some lawyer could get lots of money from the RAF due to you slandering this individual on an open forum.
We all have dickheads to deal with in our work place, but suggesting that they should all go crying to the legal pink and fluffy lawyers helps nobody but the legal bods increase their bank balances!
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Originally Posted by movadinkampa747
Oh hello. Surely the individual should have a right of redress as it is they who is being discussed here on an open forum. And whats with the insults?
Is it time for me to leave????????
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Originally Posted by Lord Trenchards Brat
Sorry but perhaps Im from the old school. Oh......was that then we all got on with the job and didn't whinge at the Chief, Sarge or Boss ..... and didn't take the pi$$ by swinging the lead and mucking your 'co-muckers' about. Military is built on good old fashion team work not bloody PC!
Is it time for me to leave????????
Is it time for me to leave????????
Hows the homework coming on Mova? Detention tomorrow is it?