General Sir Michael Rose calls for Tony Blair's Impeachment
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Not so. The Prime Minister is accountable to you and I (assuming you are eligible to vote in this country). My MP was conned into supporting Mr Blair's war desires and you think that the PM should be able to carry on as if nothing is wrong. Try telling that to the relatives of the 100 
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The only people who can hold Bliar to account is the House of Commons
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To actually hold the PM accountable, it must be done either through the House of Commons acting as a court or the Hague Tribunal. Do you meerly wish to make him unemployed on his pension scheme. To defeat him at an election is easy but then he will take the option by convention that former PMs are elevated to the House of Lords as a Peer.
He will still be able to make more money than you or I ever will, but if tried and found guilty, he could be made to forfeit assests as a fine in conjunction to a term of imprisonment.
No monetary punishment can ever bring back those fallen, but could be used to aid those injured, and act as an example to others who undertake foolish and possibly illeagal actions.
He will still be able to make more money than you or I ever will, but if tried and found guilty, he could be made to forfeit assests as a fine in conjunction to a term of imprisonment.
No monetary punishment can ever bring back those fallen, but could be used to aid those injured, and act as an example to others who undertake foolish and possibly illeagal actions.
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It is unlikely that Blair will ever have to answer for his actions on the war. He has skillfully muddied the waters, and finding enough evidence against him will not be possible. The bum did not work his way up the greasy pole of politics without learing something.
Given that, it sickens me to see Blair and his ministers being surrounded by grinning soldiers etc when ever he/they visit Iraq. If we feel so bad about the government, then stay away when they visit your unit. Find an essential duty to be on, or go sick but dont be there to shake their hands and provide them with the photo op they are looking for. Now, this is easier said than done, and it is likely that worried seniors may order you to attend. OK, obey orders, but I can stand infront of someone, be polite yet make it perfectly clear I think he is a pile of s**t not fit to be part of the human race. That makes much better pictures for the press, and shows the people at home what we rearly think of him. Try it, and watch the ba*****s squirm.
Given that, it sickens me to see Blair and his ministers being surrounded by grinning soldiers etc when ever he/they visit Iraq. If we feel so bad about the government, then stay away when they visit your unit. Find an essential duty to be on, or go sick but dont be there to shake their hands and provide them with the photo op they are looking for. Now, this is easier said than done, and it is likely that worried seniors may order you to attend. OK, obey orders, but I can stand infront of someone, be polite yet make it perfectly clear I think he is a pile of s**t not fit to be part of the human race. That makes much better pictures for the press, and shows the people at home what we rearly think of him. Try it, and watch the ba*****s squirm.
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We should append a poll to this thread along the lines
1) Do you think Tony Blair led this country into war with Iraq illegally?
2) Should Tony Blair be impeached as per General Sir Michael Rose's request?
Moderators, is this possible?
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1) Do you think Tony Blair led this country into war with Iraq illegally?
2) Should Tony Blair be impeached as per General Sir Michael Rose's request?
Moderators, is this possible?
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Hi RayDarr.
Just look at the pictures taken with troops in the presence of certain politicians, only those close to the camera smile, I suspect under orders, look either side and you get a different reaction.
Pity these individuals are not taken on a foot patorl in the more shall we say challenging areas and see if they still smile. They do say adrenaline is brown.
Politicians, only one cure shoot most of the feckers, unfortunately a waste of ammunition.
This goverment has a major problem in that 99% of its MPs have never served in the military and indeed have attacked the military, so therefore have no conception of war, conflict and the results inflicted on others by their actions and decisions. Whilst people may attack Margret Thatcher, she did have Ministers and MPs who had seen action and the results of action and could therefore tell her what the effects would be. This current bunch have only seen action on demo's, in bars and having sit ins and working in the public sector where danger is somewhat limited to a lack of tea in the morning.
Its is easy to say go on, rather harder to say come on, especially when going into danger. Remember 7th July when everyone else ran from danger look who ran towards it, with no thought for themselves, no politicians killed in the crush to help.
Once again politicians, shoot the
or any anything else to get rid of the majority.
Just look at the pictures taken with troops in the presence of certain politicians, only those close to the camera smile, I suspect under orders, look either side and you get a different reaction.
Pity these individuals are not taken on a foot patorl in the more shall we say challenging areas and see if they still smile. They do say adrenaline is brown.
Politicians, only one cure shoot most of the feckers, unfortunately a waste of ammunition.
This goverment has a major problem in that 99% of its MPs have never served in the military and indeed have attacked the military, so therefore have no conception of war, conflict and the results inflicted on others by their actions and decisions. Whilst people may attack Margret Thatcher, she did have Ministers and MPs who had seen action and the results of action and could therefore tell her what the effects would be. This current bunch have only seen action on demo's, in bars and having sit ins and working in the public sector where danger is somewhat limited to a lack of tea in the morning.
Its is easy to say go on, rather harder to say come on, especially when going into danger. Remember 7th July when everyone else ran from danger look who ran towards it, with no thought for themselves, no politicians killed in the crush to help.
Once again politicians, shoot the
or any anything else to get rid of the majority.
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I don't have much regard for Thatcher either, as I blame her policy for the Falkland War. The decision to remove HMS Endurance convinced the Argentines that we would not oppose an invasion. When it happened, Thatcher had no choice to regain the islands or loose face - and the next election. Result, lots of dead Brits, and lots more dead Argentines. She may have had some ex military people around her, but didn't listen.
I don't care for polititions of whatever hue, they all tend to get you killed.
All that apart, I do agree with most of your point of view.
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I don't care for polititions of whatever hue, they all tend to get you killed.
All that apart, I do agree with most of your point of view.
Chin Chin. Off for another Pimms
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president Blair struggled with his conscience when making the decision to go to war with Iraq. More probable is that having duped some of the nation and the majority of MP's he was more concerned with saving his own skin if the real truth ever became public. So he passed the decision over to God. He is right in that God will judge him for what he did and I hope he gets his just deserves.
Independent
Blair: 'God will be my judge on Iraq'
By Andy McSmith
Published: 04 March 2006
Tony Blair has proclaimed that God will judge whether he was right to send British troops to Iraq, echoing statements from his ally George Bush.
Contradicting warnings from advisers not to mix politics and religion, the Prime Minister said that his interest in politics sprang from his Christianity and its "values and philosophy" had guided him in public life.
Explaining how he managed to live with the decision to go to war in Iraq, Mr Blair replied: "If you have faith about these things then you realise that judgement is made by other people. If you believe in God,it's made by God as well." His remarks, made in an interview to be shown on ITV's Parkinson show tonight, invite comparison with President Bush, a born-again Christian, who has made a virtue of bringing religion into politics. But they also carry the risk of inflaming opinion in the Arab world, where the term "crusader" is commonly used to condemn Christian leaders who meddle in the Middle East.
It is also exactly the sort of comment he has been repeatedly urged not to make for domestic purposes, because of the risk that a sceptical British public will react badly to politicians who appear to be "preaching". Mr Blair was instructed by his former dictator of communications, Alastair Campbell: "We don't do God."
As well as invoking God as the final judge of the Iraq war, Mr Blair also explained how his religious and political beliefs came to him simultaneously. "There were people at university who got me into politics. I kind of got into religion, politics, at the same time, in a way. And until the age of about 20 I really wasn't very interested in politics at all," he told Michael Parkinson. "That's how I got interested in it."
He refused to accept a description of himself as a "Christian socialist" - but only because the phrase contained the "s" word. "It's a long time since anyone used the word socialist about me," he said.
He agreed that his politics could be described as Christian "in terms of the values and the philosophy". He also confirmed that religion illuminates his politics. "If you have a religious belief, it does - but it's probably best not to take it too far," he said.
Roger Bacon, who has been trying unsuccessfully to meet Tony Blair since his son, Major Matthew Bacon, 34, was killed in Iraq, said last night: "This would explain why he won't see the parents. How can he speak to us when God told him to send the troops out to Iraq so our sons could be killed?"
And Rose Gentle, whose son Gordon was killed in Basra in 2004, said she was "quite disgusted" at the comments made by the Prime Minister. The Military Families Against the War campaigner said: "How can he say he is a Christian? A Christian would never put people out there to be killed.
"A good Christian wouldn't be for this war. I'm actually quite disgusted by the comments. It's a joke."
During his eight-year premiership, the only decisions that have caused Mr Blair sleepless nights have been those that involved taking the UK to war, he said. But he added: "The only way you can take a decision like that is to try to do the right thing, according to your conscience. And, for the rest of it, you leave it to the judgement that history will make."
Mr Blair refused to say whether he had prayed for guidance on whether to send British troops into Iraq - which has cost the lives of 103 British troops, 2,300 US soldiers, and up to 30,000 Iraqis, with many thousands maimed or injured, in a conflict which has claimed more lives since the fall of Baghdad than the war itself.
There have been persistent reports that Mr Blair joined the President in prayer for God's guidance at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, in 2002, at the summit at which many people believe a secret decision was reached to invade Iraq.
The claim was made in a book by the Christian author Stephen Mansfield, who said he had heard it from White House officials. It was later backed up by a writer on Time magazine, David Aikman.
Mr Bush once told Palestinian leaders: "God would tell me, 'George, go end the tyranny in Iraq' and I did."
Mr Blair's Cabinet includes several deeply committed Christians, such as Ruth Kelly, the Education Secretary, who is a Roman Catholic, and the Chief Whip, Hilary Armstrong - but they rarely break the injunction not to mix religion and politics publicly.
Tony Blair has proclaimed that God will judge whether he was right to send British troops to Iraq, echoing statements from his ally George Bush.
Contradicting warnings from advisers not to mix politics and religion, the Prime Minister said that his interest in politics sprang from his Christianity and its "values and philosophy" had guided him in public life.
Explaining how he managed to live with the decision to go to war in Iraq, Mr Blair replied: "If you have faith about these things then you realise that judgement is made by other people. If you believe in God,it's made by God as well." His remarks, made in an interview to be shown on ITV's Parkinson show tonight, invite comparison with President Bush, a born-again Christian, who has made a virtue of bringing religion into politics. But they also carry the risk of inflaming opinion in the Arab world, where the term "crusader" is commonly used to condemn Christian leaders who meddle in the Middle East.
It is also exactly the sort of comment he has been repeatedly urged not to make for domestic purposes, because of the risk that a sceptical British public will react badly to politicians who appear to be "preaching". Mr Blair was instructed by his former director of communications, Alastair Campbell: "We don't do God."
As well as invoking God as the final judge of the Iraq war, Mr Blair also explained how his religious and political beliefs came to him simultaneously. "There were people at university who got me into politics. I kind of got into religion, politics, at the same time, in a way. And until the age of about 20 I really wasn't very interested in politics at all," he told Michael Parkinson. "That's how I got interested in it."
He refused to accept a description of himself as a "Christian socialist" - but only because the phrase contained the "s" word. "It's a long time since anyone used the word socialist about me," he said.
He agreed that his politics could be described as Christian "in terms of the values and the philosophy". He also confirmed that religion illuminates his politics. "If you have a religious belief, it does - but it's probably best not to take it too far," he said.
Roger Bacon, who has been trying unsuccessfully to meet Tony Blair since his son, Major Matthew Bacon, 34, was killed in Iraq, said last night: "This would explain why he won't see the parents. How can he speak to us when God told him to send the troops out to Iraq so our sons could be killed?"
And Rose Gentle, whose son Gordon was killed in Basra in 2004, said she was "quite disgusted" at the comments made by the Prime Minister. The Military Families Against the War campaigner said: "How can he say he is a Christian? A Christian would never put people out there to be killed.
"A good Christian wouldn't be for this war. I'm actually quite disgusted by the comments. It's a joke."
During his eight-year premiership, the only decisions that have caused Mr Blair sleepless nights have been those that involved taking the UK to war, he said. But he added: "The only way you can take a decision like that is to try to do the right thing, according to your conscience. And, for the rest of it, you leave it to the judgement that history will make."
Mr Blair refused to say whether he had prayed for guidance on whether to send British troops into Iraq - which has cost the lives of 103 British troops, 2,300 US soldiers, and up to 30,000 Iraqis, with many thousands maimed or injured, in a conflict which has claimed more lives since the fall of Baghdad than the war itself.
There have been persistent reports that Mr Blair joined the President in prayer for God's guidance at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, in 2002, at the summit at which many people believe a secret decision was reached to invade Iraq.
The claim was made in a book by the Christian author Stephen Mansfield, who said he had heard it from White House officials. It was later backed up by a writer on Time magazine, David Aikman.
Mr Bush once told Palestinian leaders: "God would tell me, 'George, go end the tyranny in Iraq' and I did."
Mr Blair's Cabinet includes several deeply committed Christians, such as Ruth Kelly, the Education Secretary, who is a Roman Catholic, and the Chief Whip, Hilary Armstrong - but they rarely break the injunction not to mix religion and politics publicly.
Independent
Blair: 'God will be my judge on Iraq'
By Andy McSmith
Published: 04 March 2006
Tony Blair has proclaimed that God will judge whether he was right to send British troops to Iraq, echoing statements from his ally George Bush.
Contradicting warnings from advisers not to mix politics and religion, the Prime Minister said that his interest in politics sprang from his Christianity and its "values and philosophy" had guided him in public life.
Explaining how he managed to live with the decision to go to war in Iraq, Mr Blair replied: "If you have faith about these things then you realise that judgement is made by other people. If you believe in God,it's made by God as well." His remarks, made in an interview to be shown on ITV's Parkinson show tonight, invite comparison with President Bush, a born-again Christian, who has made a virtue of bringing religion into politics. But they also carry the risk of inflaming opinion in the Arab world, where the term "crusader" is commonly used to condemn Christian leaders who meddle in the Middle East.
It is also exactly the sort of comment he has been repeatedly urged not to make for domestic purposes, because of the risk that a sceptical British public will react badly to politicians who appear to be "preaching". Mr Blair was instructed by his former dictator of communications, Alastair Campbell: "We don't do God."
As well as invoking God as the final judge of the Iraq war, Mr Blair also explained how his religious and political beliefs came to him simultaneously. "There were people at university who got me into politics. I kind of got into religion, politics, at the same time, in a way. And until the age of about 20 I really wasn't very interested in politics at all," he told Michael Parkinson. "That's how I got interested in it."
He refused to accept a description of himself as a "Christian socialist" - but only because the phrase contained the "s" word. "It's a long time since anyone used the word socialist about me," he said.
He agreed that his politics could be described as Christian "in terms of the values and the philosophy". He also confirmed that religion illuminates his politics. "If you have a religious belief, it does - but it's probably best not to take it too far," he said.
Roger Bacon, who has been trying unsuccessfully to meet Tony Blair since his son, Major Matthew Bacon, 34, was killed in Iraq, said last night: "This would explain why he won't see the parents. How can he speak to us when God told him to send the troops out to Iraq so our sons could be killed?"
And Rose Gentle, whose son Gordon was killed in Basra in 2004, said she was "quite disgusted" at the comments made by the Prime Minister. The Military Families Against the War campaigner said: "How can he say he is a Christian? A Christian would never put people out there to be killed.
"A good Christian wouldn't be for this war. I'm actually quite disgusted by the comments. It's a joke."
During his eight-year premiership, the only decisions that have caused Mr Blair sleepless nights have been those that involved taking the UK to war, he said. But he added: "The only way you can take a decision like that is to try to do the right thing, according to your conscience. And, for the rest of it, you leave it to the judgement that history will make."
Mr Blair refused to say whether he had prayed for guidance on whether to send British troops into Iraq - which has cost the lives of 103 British troops, 2,300 US soldiers, and up to 30,000 Iraqis, with many thousands maimed or injured, in a conflict which has claimed more lives since the fall of Baghdad than the war itself.
There have been persistent reports that Mr Blair joined the President in prayer for God's guidance at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, in 2002, at the summit at which many people believe a secret decision was reached to invade Iraq.
The claim was made in a book by the Christian author Stephen Mansfield, who said he had heard it from White House officials. It was later backed up by a writer on Time magazine, David Aikman.
Mr Bush once told Palestinian leaders: "God would tell me, 'George, go end the tyranny in Iraq' and I did."
Mr Blair's Cabinet includes several deeply committed Christians, such as Ruth Kelly, the Education Secretary, who is a Roman Catholic, and the Chief Whip, Hilary Armstrong - but they rarely break the injunction not to mix religion and politics publicly.
Tony Blair has proclaimed that God will judge whether he was right to send British troops to Iraq, echoing statements from his ally George Bush.
Contradicting warnings from advisers not to mix politics and religion, the Prime Minister said that his interest in politics sprang from his Christianity and its "values and philosophy" had guided him in public life.
Explaining how he managed to live with the decision to go to war in Iraq, Mr Blair replied: "If you have faith about these things then you realise that judgement is made by other people. If you believe in God,it's made by God as well." His remarks, made in an interview to be shown on ITV's Parkinson show tonight, invite comparison with President Bush, a born-again Christian, who has made a virtue of bringing religion into politics. But they also carry the risk of inflaming opinion in the Arab world, where the term "crusader" is commonly used to condemn Christian leaders who meddle in the Middle East.
It is also exactly the sort of comment he has been repeatedly urged not to make for domestic purposes, because of the risk that a sceptical British public will react badly to politicians who appear to be "preaching". Mr Blair was instructed by his former director of communications, Alastair Campbell: "We don't do God."
As well as invoking God as the final judge of the Iraq war, Mr Blair also explained how his religious and political beliefs came to him simultaneously. "There were people at university who got me into politics. I kind of got into religion, politics, at the same time, in a way. And until the age of about 20 I really wasn't very interested in politics at all," he told Michael Parkinson. "That's how I got interested in it."
He refused to accept a description of himself as a "Christian socialist" - but only because the phrase contained the "s" word. "It's a long time since anyone used the word socialist about me," he said.
He agreed that his politics could be described as Christian "in terms of the values and the philosophy". He also confirmed that religion illuminates his politics. "If you have a religious belief, it does - but it's probably best not to take it too far," he said.
Roger Bacon, who has been trying unsuccessfully to meet Tony Blair since his son, Major Matthew Bacon, 34, was killed in Iraq, said last night: "This would explain why he won't see the parents. How can he speak to us when God told him to send the troops out to Iraq so our sons could be killed?"
And Rose Gentle, whose son Gordon was killed in Basra in 2004, said she was "quite disgusted" at the comments made by the Prime Minister. The Military Families Against the War campaigner said: "How can he say he is a Christian? A Christian would never put people out there to be killed.
"A good Christian wouldn't be for this war. I'm actually quite disgusted by the comments. It's a joke."
During his eight-year premiership, the only decisions that have caused Mr Blair sleepless nights have been those that involved taking the UK to war, he said. But he added: "The only way you can take a decision like that is to try to do the right thing, according to your conscience. And, for the rest of it, you leave it to the judgement that history will make."
Mr Blair refused to say whether he had prayed for guidance on whether to send British troops into Iraq - which has cost the lives of 103 British troops, 2,300 US soldiers, and up to 30,000 Iraqis, with many thousands maimed or injured, in a conflict which has claimed more lives since the fall of Baghdad than the war itself.
There have been persistent reports that Mr Blair joined the President in prayer for God's guidance at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, in 2002, at the summit at which many people believe a secret decision was reached to invade Iraq.
The claim was made in a book by the Christian author Stephen Mansfield, who said he had heard it from White House officials. It was later backed up by a writer on Time magazine, David Aikman.
Mr Bush once told Palestinian leaders: "God would tell me, 'George, go end the tyranny in Iraq' and I did."
Mr Blair's Cabinet includes several deeply committed Christians, such as Ruth Kelly, the Education Secretary, who is a Roman Catholic, and the Chief Whip, Hilary Armstrong - but they rarely break the injunction not to mix religion and politics publicly.
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I really believe that your post above (which is double pasted i think) needs to be in a thread of its own as this is going to cause lots and lots of comment (You may as well start it before someone else does). Dont know if this is the right place, or maybe it is?
Dunno.
To me this is the ultimate cop-out and its going to cause a lot of trouble. Bush and Blair are trying to get rid of Islamic Fundamentalists yet they are both turning out to be Christian Fundamentalists - Scary time!
I really believe that your post above (which is double pasted i think) needs to be in a thread of its own as this is going to cause lots and lots of comment (You may as well start it before someone else does). Dont know if this is the right place, or maybe it is?
Dunno.To me this is the ultimate cop-out and its going to cause a lot of trouble. Bush and Blair are trying to get rid of Islamic Fundamentalists yet they are both turning out to be Christian Fundamentalists - Scary time!
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You're right about the double pasting, God knows how that happened?
OK I'll start another thread. I think the military forum is the right place for this discussion.
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You're right about the double pasting, God knows how that happened?
OK I'll start another thread. I think the military forum is the right place for this discussion.
Thanks
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Thanks Epsilon
Sorry i didnt make myself clear therefore you misunderstood, The military forum is definitly the right place, just think it needed more than the Sir M Rose thread. See youve changed it thanks. Cant wait for Parky tonight.
Sorry i didnt make myself clear therefore you misunderstood, The military forum is definitly the right place, just think it needed more than the Sir M Rose thread. See youve changed it thanks. Cant wait for Parky tonight.
