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They were abused children and shouldn't be trusted with anything more complicated than a barrier, I wish a plod would speak up and tell us about what motivated them to join, and what, if any job satisfaction they get from being complete 
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Used to take one of my neighbour's sons flying a lot. He was mad keen on flying so he joined the RAF ...(um)..... Police. He lasted about three weeks until an NCO threw his boots out of the window into the mud.
He was so keen that he had bought these boots himself before he went in so that he could get used to them. They were identical to RAF boots.
He was so keen that he had bought these boots himself before he went in so that he could get used to them. They were identical to RAF boots.
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ISITD - You're a decade out. The Lyneham police dog incident was late '70s/early '80s. My recollection is that it was a lady dog, nothing queer about Mr Plod.
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i remember being on 'teas and keys' once, and i couldn't work out why we had no lighting/power to the hangars when i opened them up first thing.
then i noticed a lot of noise coming from one end of the hangar, it turned out 2 RAFP had been seeing how fast their new landrover could go, in thick fog, but didn't notice the hangar in front of them!
they'd severed the main power cable to the hangar (smashing the big metal box it was in as well), and shortened their landrover by about 2ft!
it turned out they weren't too badly hurt, just chest injuries,but after they were fit again, they were charged!
then i noticed a lot of noise coming from one end of the hangar, it turned out 2 RAFP had been seeing how fast their new landrover could go, in thick fog, but didn't notice the hangar in front of them!
they'd severed the main power cable to the hangar (smashing the big metal box it was in as well), and shortened their landrover by about 2ft!
it turned out they weren't too badly hurt, just chest injuries,but after they were fit again, they were charged!
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I remember being chased thru the ruins of the old Officers Mess in Biggin Hill by a 6ft 6" RAF polite man .... my buddie and I were clearly going to loose him but the gal we were with was quickly caught by the "Monster" ..... he shouted out to us that he had caught her and so we meekly gave ourselves up to his custody 
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Mind you .... we were only Ten years old at the time !!!!
...... Mind you .... we were only Ten years old at the time !!!!
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As an air cadet in the 70s even we had views about the snowdrops that today would be very un PC.
We always said that if it was not for our squadron at annual camp that they would be on the dole, says it all really.
We always said that if it was not for our squadron at annual camp that they would be on the dole, says it all really.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
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One Saturday I found the plod had been super keen on his 6 hourly checks. Why, he was even 12 hours early.
OC Plod asked if I wanted to prefer charges ------- oh, the temptation but the goodwill was worth it. Some of his mates are still there, and so am I, 10 years later.
OC Plod asked if I wanted to prefer charges ------- oh, the temptation but the goodwill was worth it. Some of his mates are still there, and so am I, 10 years later.
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There was one RAF policeman at Newton who used to do an external security check on our hangar every evening. As he passed by my window, he used to salute me at my desk. Always made me smile. He was the same one who charged himself for being late for duty. 
We were more than a little concerned about the one who stole a sub imprest from an officer's locker during a overnight security check on our squadron hangar. Not so much because he nicked the cash, but because it was actually well hidden under a pile of the officer's soiled underwear, yum yum
We were more than a little concerned about the one who stole a sub imprest from an officer's locker during a overnight security check on our squadron hangar. Not so much because he nicked the cash, but because it was actually well hidden under a pile of the officer's soiled underwear, yum yum
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A few years ago, after 3hr LL Sortie through Wales and South West..
Low flying complaints Plod rings me..
Plod- Sir, were you low flying yesterday?
Me- Yes.
Plod- Did you fly over a farm house...(I wait expecting some form of clarification, non follows)?
Me- eerrmmm...maybe.
Funny old thing no futher investigation on that one.
Low flying complaints Plod rings me..
Plod- Sir, were you low flying yesterday?
Me- Yes.
Plod- Did you fly over a farm house...(I wait expecting some form of clarification, non follows)?
Me- eerrmmm...maybe.
Funny old thing no futher investigation on that one.
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Good lord, the Buchan thing goes back to 77 or even 76. ORAC, you old f**t, you are older than you look. If I remember, Don A wasn't the only one to go west. So did OC Supply Flt, a young FgOff Controller, a RN bloke on exchange at least 1 SNCO and a bunch of WRAF's. Young lady concerned was sent to Leuchars to be under the eye of HQPSS (Jock Det) but still managed to go through all 5 of a Victor crew one night. Stn Cdr kicked her off to HQ11Gp and she left the mob from there, complete with her short service gratuity. Last heard of working in a casino in London about 1979. There are enough stories about Buchan in those days to fill a book. Might even write it myself.
Another plod story, this one features West Drayton, the SDO, and the Police Firearms Unit.
SDO was enjoying quiet drink (SDO orders said SDO to drink in moderation. Thats an order init?) Suddenly phone rings. Guardroom reports a drunk airman armed with a gun has locked himself in Station Cdrs office in SHQ. (SHQ was long single story building by main gate. Guardroom was at near end) SDO feels he can talk the "gunman" out, so knocks on CO's office door.....door opens....gun poked up SDO's nose... come in Sir... SDO now a hostage!!! Guard room calls police and everyone else in Greater London. Full scale seige develops. Later SDO needs a leak, but "gunman" won't let him out. He is allowed however to pee out the window into the CO's roses. Later as the "gunman" sobers up he decides it is perhaps best to surrender, so throws out gun (a replica I believe) and comes out with hands up. SDO now free again. Later while talking to Inspector Plod of firearms unit, SDO is told that he was in no danger as they had a sniper with his sights on the gunman the whole time. Not only that, " but we had it all on film for evidence purposes, and we got a great shot of you!!!!" SDO later presented with framed 8x10 of himself in Best Blue uniform peeing out of his Station Commanders window. Of such are great careers made.
Tell me Mr SDO, Do you still have the photo??
Another plod story, this one features West Drayton, the SDO, and the Police Firearms Unit.
SDO was enjoying quiet drink (SDO orders said SDO to drink in moderation. Thats an order init?) Suddenly phone rings. Guardroom reports a drunk airman armed with a gun has locked himself in Station Cdrs office in SHQ. (SHQ was long single story building by main gate. Guardroom was at near end) SDO feels he can talk the "gunman" out, so knocks on CO's office door.....door opens....gun poked up SDO's nose... come in Sir... SDO now a hostage!!! Guard room calls police and everyone else in Greater London. Full scale seige develops. Later SDO needs a leak, but "gunman" won't let him out. He is allowed however to pee out the window into the CO's roses. Later as the "gunman" sobers up he decides it is perhaps best to surrender, so throws out gun (a replica I believe) and comes out with hands up. SDO now free again. Later while talking to Inspector Plod of firearms unit, SDO is told that he was in no danger as they had a sniper with his sights on the gunman the whole time. Not only that, " but we had it all on film for evidence purposes, and we got a great shot of you!!!!" SDO later presented with framed 8x10 of himself in Best Blue uniform peeing out of his Station Commanders window. Of such are great careers made.
Tell me Mr SDO, Do you still have the photo??
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http://www.rafcom.co.uk/pay_allowanc...raf_air_05.cfm
The RAF Police are still on the lower pay band. However, as they have not done barrier duties for many months now (the MPGS do security) a pay review took place in Sep 05, with the results to be published Feb 06.
The RMP have had their results which are something like up to and including Sgt will be awarded the higher pay band, the rumour is this is what the RAF Police will be awarded too.
Also when you leave training you are to be a level 4. So after training you will be earning £18841 pa. I've been in the job 8 years and earn £26882 pa. I also work 12 hour shifts of 4 on and 4 off, and on the 4 off i spend it with the family, very rare is it to be called in to work on your stand down.
And out of those 8 years i have spent 7 months doing gate duties waiting for MPGS roll out.
Having served in the army (4 years) and seen both sides of the coin, why would i want to live in a field when i can have a 5 star hotel with rates?
The Army dig in, the Air Force check in.
I've also served in Afghanistan, Gulf, Las Vegas, Rio, Dakhar, Germany. And as for RAF Police being 'pretend', well only last week we dealt with a serious RTC in which a RAF Officer and his family were killed. I, myself, had to wait outside their MQ awaiting the arrival of the surviving son. It's strange but when we are giving out tickets or you're on the receiving end of a charge, we're scum. But come something as serious as this, everybody, including Army officers turn to us for help, guidance and direction.
The RAF Police are still on the lower pay band. However, as they have not done barrier duties for many months now (the MPGS do security) a pay review took place in Sep 05, with the results to be published Feb 06.
The RMP have had their results which are something like up to and including Sgt will be awarded the higher pay band, the rumour is this is what the RAF Police will be awarded too.
Also when you leave training you are to be a level 4. So after training you will be earning £18841 pa. I've been in the job 8 years and earn £26882 pa. I also work 12 hour shifts of 4 on and 4 off, and on the 4 off i spend it with the family, very rare is it to be called in to work on your stand down.
And out of those 8 years i have spent 7 months doing gate duties waiting for MPGS roll out.
Having served in the army (4 years) and seen both sides of the coin, why would i want to live in a field when i can have a 5 star hotel with rates?
The Army dig in, the Air Force check in.
I've also served in Afghanistan, Gulf, Las Vegas, Rio, Dakhar, Germany. And as for RAF Police being 'pretend', well only last week we dealt with a serious RTC in which a RAF Officer and his family were killed. I, myself, had to wait outside their MQ awaiting the arrival of the surviving son. It's strange but when we are giving out tickets or you're on the receiving end of a charge, we're scum. But come something as serious as this, everybody, including Army officers turn to us for help, guidance and direction.
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IVRYTWR3 - I don't think it's a perception that the RAFP are 'scum' as you put it - possibly interpreting the rules to the nth degree would be a better way of putting it. Having said that in all trades in the RAF there used to be people who seemed to excell at making life difficult for no apparant reason.
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Not really Gorilla.
It IS a cheap shot, and you would hope that every human being would be able to show a little compassion, and act decently in the same situation. So where is the valid point? If the RAF Police acted like that exclusively, then clearly they would be beyond reproach. The simple fact of the matter is that they do not, and they are the makers of their own undoing.
Why have you taken to being so controversial recently?
Are you bored?
It IS a cheap shot, and you would hope that every human being would be able to show a little compassion, and act decently in the same situation. So where is the valid point? If the RAF Police acted like that exclusively, then clearly they would be beyond reproach. The simple fact of the matter is that they do not, and they are the makers of their own undoing.
Why have you taken to being so controversial recently?
Are you bored?
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Agree, cheap shot and frankly an invalid point.
Every time the pretend-plods get a bashing someone rolls out the "You'll sing a different song when you need us" line. Cases like the one described are few and far between and could be handled equally well by civvy plod, if not better, and still don't in anyway make up for the other utterly ridiculous exploits of RAFP everywhere.
Handling an in-Service bereavement is something any decent officer or SNCO should be able to do so please don't try to even begin to tell us it sets the RAFP apart.
Using the demise of one of our colleagues and his family as reason to adjust our attitude towards the branch is typical of one which is, on the whole, totally devoid of morality.
Every time the pretend-plods get a bashing someone rolls out the "You'll sing a different song when you need us" line. Cases like the one described are few and far between and could be handled equally well by civvy plod, if not better, and still don't in anyway make up for the other utterly ridiculous exploits of RAFP everywhere.
Handling an in-Service bereavement is something any decent officer or SNCO should be able to do so please don't try to even begin to tell us it sets the RAFP apart.
Using the demise of one of our colleagues and his family as reason to adjust our attitude towards the branch is typical of one which is, on the whole, totally devoid of morality.
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Hear hear. IVRYTWR3 I'm quite sure that you didn't join the RAF so you spend your time notifying NOK of a bereavement.
I notice that you aren't so quick to mention the bothced RAFP investigation into the disgruntled airman who tampered with some ejection seats in an attempt to try and kill an aircrew mate. I don't think he did get charged with attempted murder in the end.
I notice that you aren't so quick to mention the bothced RAFP investigation into the disgruntled airman who tampered with some ejection seats in an attempt to try and kill an aircrew mate. I don't think he did get charged with attempted murder in the end.
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I did not mention the tragic accident as a cheap shot, i mentioned the accident because all this thread has been about is people saying all RAF Police do is barrier up barrier down, i am saying that we are a professional police force and our taskings diverse greatly and on a day to day basis. One day we are investigating £3k bikes going missing (left unsecured outside the Officers Mess) or where someone has left a loaned laptop outside a friends room door in the officers mess and was 'surprised' when it went missing ("well i knew he'd be back at some point so he could get in when he comes back"). These incidents were involving a pilot and the other a junior officer. The next we are assisting (not dealing) with a serious RTC. So apologies if people have taken that mention out of context.
In fact, the RAF Police have been requested by Civ Pol to record statements from the emergency services that dealt with the incident and we have also offered our services to stand out on the road on which the accident occurred, stopping traffic, in the hope we can find any witnesses the crash. We don't HAVE to do that, but the victims were RAF and we are all RAF and want to help.
On a side note, whist sitting outside the empty MQ, i had several knocks on my window from officers asking what did i know; which was not very professional, and yet i had several knocks from other officers offering me tea, sandwiches, the use of toilet facilities etc. So every trade has its good eggs and its numpties!
With regards to the pilot and the missing bike, just because he had no common sense, does not mean i think all pilots have no common sense So why, because you've had run ins with some cretins withing my trade do you tar us all alike? If i had that attitude i would not get very far. Every one i meet is giving the benefit of the doubt at the first meet!
Now what about the other points i mentioned regarding the trade?
1. RAF Police allocation of the higher pay band (we must be something right!)
2. After leaving training you will be earning £18841 pa.
3. I also work 12 hour shifts of 4 on and 4 off, and on the 4 off i spend it with the family, very rare is it to be called in to work on your stand down.
4. And out of those 8 years i have spent 7 months doing gate duties waiting for MPGS roll out.
5. I've also served in Afghanistan, Gulf, Las Vegas, Rio, Dakhar, Germany (there's more, but that's all i can think of at the moment).
It's good job with a good standard of living. Unfortunately we can't all be pilots and for those of us that can't I would recommend my trade to anyone!
In fact, the RAF Police have been requested by Civ Pol to record statements from the emergency services that dealt with the incident and we have also offered our services to stand out on the road on which the accident occurred, stopping traffic, in the hope we can find any witnesses the crash. We don't HAVE to do that, but the victims were RAF and we are all RAF and want to help.
On a side note, whist sitting outside the empty MQ, i had several knocks on my window from officers asking what did i know; which was not very professional, and yet i had several knocks from other officers offering me tea, sandwiches, the use of toilet facilities etc. So every trade has its good eggs and its numpties!
With regards to the pilot and the missing bike, just because he had no common sense, does not mean i think all pilots have no common sense So why, because you've had run ins with some cretins withing my trade do you tar us all alike? If i had that attitude i would not get very far. Every one i meet is giving the benefit of the doubt at the first meet!
Now what about the other points i mentioned regarding the trade?
1. RAF Police allocation of the higher pay band (we must be something right!)
2. After leaving training you will be earning £18841 pa.
3. I also work 12 hour shifts of 4 on and 4 off, and on the 4 off i spend it with the family, very rare is it to be called in to work on your stand down.
4. And out of those 8 years i have spent 7 months doing gate duties waiting for MPGS roll out.
5. I've also served in Afghanistan, Gulf, Las Vegas, Rio, Dakhar, Germany (there's more, but that's all i can think of at the moment).
It's good job with a good standard of living. Unfortunately we can't all be pilots and for those of us that can't I would recommend my trade to anyone!
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ivrytwr,
Maybe you could come down from your ivrytwr and understand the issues here. As I said in my previous post, some of the RAFP I've worked with have been outstandingly good, professional and helpful. The majority, it seems, have little more to do than over-interpret rules and indulge in pettiness and continual self-justification. The majority of your colleagues are considered by many others in the Service to be rude, arrogant, unpleasant and, in some cases, hypocritical - you must be able to understand that from reading some of the previous posts.
We all understand that every branch of trade has its bad eggs. Instead of moaning about people's perceptions, why don't you mount a defence of all of your colleagues (we call it "teamwork"), explain why so many of them seem to exceed their worth, and cut out the specific whingeing about officers while you're at it. Apparently airmen and NCOs can sometimes be bad people too.
t_e
Maybe you could come down from your ivrytwr and understand the issues here. As I said in my previous post, some of the RAFP I've worked with have been outstandingly good, professional and helpful. The majority, it seems, have little more to do than over-interpret rules and indulge in pettiness and continual self-justification. The majority of your colleagues are considered by many others in the Service to be rude, arrogant, unpleasant and, in some cases, hypocritical - you must be able to understand that from reading some of the previous posts.
We all understand that every branch of trade has its bad eggs. Instead of moaning about people's perceptions, why don't you mount a defence of all of your colleagues (we call it "teamwork"), explain why so many of them seem to exceed their worth, and cut out the specific whingeing about officers while you're at it. Apparently airmen and NCOs can sometimes be bad people too.
t_e
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Maybe, instead of proclaiming your own personal achievements, postings, dets and anecdotes (big news - we all do it!), you could mount a defence of all of your colleagues in that time-honoured practice we call "teamwork",