RAF Scampton closing before it opens?
I agree entirely with the previous post but IF Scampton is to be saved then IMHO it will only happen because either, or both:
1. English Heritage deem it to remain preserved (and open).
2. D313 is not exactly a moveable item.
Probably (2) is the saving grace.
1. English Heritage deem it to remain preserved (and open).
2. D313 is not exactly a moveable item.
Probably (2) is the saving grace.
CRC When?
Thought I saw this a while back and didn't want to start a new thread - so, if what I read on other threads is true, when is Scampton CRC going to actually start doing business?
And will it use callsign Abacus like the existing Spare CRC?
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And will it use callsign Abacus like the existing Spare CRC?
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Operational Assessment (checking that IBM and its partners have delivered the goods) during week ending 20 Jan 06.
Haven't seen the final version of the document, but I guess it will include testing of the Surveillance and Control capabilities in live and SIM, ADLBS integration and Dual-Site Sim capability.
From a weapons perspective, I am sure it will include control of a number of live sorties from about 18 Jan 06. We expect to go operational from 23 Jan 06, with the 'Official Opening' (including saluting and vols-au-vont) a few days later.
For most of the time CRC Scampton will operate in support of Boulmer, but about once a week it is expected to take the lead. For those of you phoning for GCI (I guess that includes Friedlander?) keep using the Boulmer FA who will let you know which of the two units you will be working (like Neat used to do for Buchan).
I believe HQ 3 Gp are putting out a letter/signal to all interested parties timed to be on the desks immediately after the Xmas break.
As for callsigns, I am sure that GB knows full well that the reason for ABACUS was because the CRC and T-CRC are both at Boulmer, even though they are physically separated - HQ 3 Gp accepted the best way to avoid confusion was to have a separate callsign, and I guess 'the CRC in the room formerly known as the SFC Briefing Room at Boulmer' was a bit too much of a mouthful! Unless we are told otherwise, the callsign for CRC Scampton will be ...... 'Scampton', though personally I would quite like it to be 'BlackDog'!
Squawks will be NOTAM'd at the beginning of Jan and included in the following AIRAC cycle.
SMA = 'CRC SCAMPTON'
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Edited to add:
Oh and IIRC, for those of you calling Boulmer CRC Ops Room from RAFTN dialling 9210408XXX you should just need to change the 40 to a 50, so that 9210508XXX should get you to the same positions at Scampton CRC Ops Room.
Haven't seen the final version of the document, but I guess it will include testing of the Surveillance and Control capabilities in live and SIM, ADLBS integration and Dual-Site Sim capability.
From a weapons perspective, I am sure it will include control of a number of live sorties from about 18 Jan 06. We expect to go operational from 23 Jan 06, with the 'Official Opening' (including saluting and vols-au-vont) a few days later.
For most of the time CRC Scampton will operate in support of Boulmer, but about once a week it is expected to take the lead. For those of you phoning for GCI (I guess that includes Friedlander?) keep using the Boulmer FA who will let you know which of the two units you will be working (like Neat used to do for Buchan).
I believe HQ 3 Gp are putting out a letter/signal to all interested parties timed to be on the desks immediately after the Xmas break.
As for callsigns, I am sure that GB knows full well that the reason for ABACUS was because the CRC and T-CRC are both at Boulmer, even though they are physically separated - HQ 3 Gp accepted the best way to avoid confusion was to have a separate callsign, and I guess 'the CRC in the room formerly known as the SFC Briefing Room at Boulmer' was a bit too much of a mouthful! Unless we are told otherwise, the callsign for CRC Scampton will be ...... 'Scampton', though personally I would quite like it to be 'BlackDog'!
Squawks will be NOTAM'd at the beginning of Jan and included in the following AIRAC cycle.
SMA = 'CRC SCAMPTON'
STH
Edited to add:
Oh and IIRC, for those of you calling Boulmer CRC Ops Room from RAFTN dialling 9210408XXX you should just need to change the 40 to a 50, so that 9210508XXX should get you to the same positions at Scampton CRC Ops Room.
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Good luck to everyone starting at CRC Scampton - hope the work-up goes well and you enjoy yourselves. Pity about the domestic accommodation, support facilities, collocation with the A6 community.......
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Red Arrows Gone?
Sorry to hi-jack this thread, but a friend of mine (bit of a spotter, and always banging on about the future of the RAF) drove past Scampton the other day and says the Red Arrows sign has gone. According to him, that proves they are moving to Leeming, as poo poo'd elsewhere on this site.
It's been a while, but ISTR there was a sign saying 'RAF Scampton - Home of the Red Arrows' or some such. He may have just missed it, or perhaps it's being renovated ready for the new season/sponsor etc. On the other hand, perhaps there is something in it -and this is a Rumour Network, right? So what's the deal? Anyone out there know? Has a similar sign appeared at Leeming or Coningsby or Waddo or Cranwell or St Mawgan?
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It's been a while, but ISTR there was a sign saying 'RAF Scampton - Home of the Red Arrows' or some such. He may have just missed it, or perhaps it's being renovated ready for the new season/sponsor etc. On the other hand, perhaps there is something in it -and this is a Rumour Network, right? So what's the deal? Anyone out there know? Has a similar sign appeared at Leeming or Coningsby or Waddo or Cranwell or St Mawgan?
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I know nothing about the RAFAT sign, but note that the
Home of Number 1 Air Control Centre
sign has disappeared from the Main entrance of the place formerly known as RAF Kirton in Lindsey which is now a satellite of RAF Scampton and not to be called RAF Kirton in Lindsey under any circumstances (unless it's for mail deliveries, traffic directions or any other good reason).
I naturally assumed it had been robbed by Air Traffic at Leuchars (they stole stuff from Boulmer ISTR)!
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Home of Number 1 Air Control Centre
sign has disappeared from the Main entrance of the place formerly known as RAF Kirton in Lindsey which is now a satellite of RAF Scampton and not to be called RAF Kirton in Lindsey under any circumstances (unless it's for mail deliveries, traffic directions or any other good reason).
I naturally assumed it had been robbed by Air Traffic at Leuchars (they stole stuff from Boulmer ISTR)!
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Both signs removed 'cos new staish feels they send the wrong message.
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RAFAT sign was removed as one of new staish's first actions on arrival. 1 ACC sign was removed from main entrance to NOT RAF Kirton in Lindsey just before Christmas. No idea what happened to them but I believe Reds would like theirs back!
RAFAT sign was removed as one of new staish's first actions on arrival. 1 ACC sign was removed from main entrance to NOT RAF Kirton in Lindsey just before Christmas. No idea what happened to them but I believe Reds would like theirs back!
I would have thought he'd have more important things to worry about .... 
What was the point of removing the sign? I would have thought being their Station Commander something to be proud of.
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What was the point of removing the sign? I would have thought being their Station Commander something to be proud of.
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Does anyone else find it ironic that the Stn Cdr of the derelict, decrepit, (possibly) doomed RAF Scampton, whose absurd costs are due in no small part to English Heritage, wants to eradicate the name of an old Fighter Command base? I believe Bader used to fly out of Kirton-in-Lyndsey.
If English Heritage take the same interest in the Stn Cdr's edict as they do in more serious military affairs, I'm sure they'll block it.
Oh hell, now I don't want them to!
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If English Heritage take the same interest in the Stn Cdr's edict as they do in more serious military affairs, I'm sure they'll block it.
Oh hell, now I don't want them to!
t_e
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Here here Tablet,
I have to say, the story of the CO at Scampton ordering the removal of the 1ACC and RAFAT signs is outrageous!
I've got a mate on 1ACC, I won't call him a friend as he is a Fighter Controller, who has told me that the guys are really p*ssed off up at RAF Kirton in Lindsey.
Let Scampton's CO have his little power trip, I'm sure Kirton will still be open long after Scampton has gone!
STH,
wouldn't the fact that RAF Kirton in Lindsey is a unit in it's own right, of historical value and more importantly, manned by more personnel than Scampton not be a good enough reason to call it RAF Kirton in Lindsey???
I have to say, the story of the CO at Scampton ordering the removal of the 1ACC and RAFAT signs is outrageous!
I've got a mate on 1ACC, I won't call him a friend as he is a Fighter Controller
, who has told me that the guys are really p*ssed off up at RAF Kirton in Lindsey.Let Scampton's CO have his little power trip, I'm sure Kirton will still be open long after Scampton has gone!
STH,
wouldn't the fact that RAF Kirton in Lindsey is a unit in it's own right, of historical value and more importantly, manned by more personnel than Scampton not be a good enough reason to call it RAF Kirton in Lindsey???
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Ha ha ha... you're spot on!!! In terms of numbers (of personnel and buildings that aren't falling down or full of asbestos) surely Scampton should be a satellite of Kirton?
Then, when 1ACC vacates KIL's SHQ the CO could move in and no-one would have to worry about refurbishing Scampton SHQ's top floor!
Then let English Heritage have Scampton, since it's so important to them, and watch with despair as it continues to rot under their stewardship.
Although, of course, the old Officers' Mess lawns would still be mown. The paint is peeling, the windows are boarded up, there is an unsightly chain-link fence all the way around it... but at least English Heritage are spending tax-payers' money to keep the lawns tidy.
Then, when 1ACC vacates KIL's SHQ the CO could move in and no-one would have to worry about refurbishing Scampton SHQ's top floor!
Then let English Heritage have Scampton, since it's so important to them, and watch with despair as it continues to rot under their stewardship.
Although, of course, the old Officers' Mess lawns would still be mown. The paint is peeling, the windows are boarded up, there is an unsightly chain-link fence all the way around it... but at least English Heritage are spending tax-payers' money to keep the lawns tidy.
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