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Ah, the joys of open arrest and peeing in a bottle whilst someone watches over your shoulder! It can only be CDT.
Whatever happened to "innocent untill proven guilty"!
Anyone care to try to convince me this doesn't infringe my civil liberties.
Whatever happened to "innocent untill proven guilty"!
Anyone care to try to convince me this doesn't infringe my civil liberties.
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OK then how about:
It doesn't infringe your civil liberties because it's an open condition of employment by an employer of your own free choice and you are "free" to leave at any time if CDT is a real problem for you.
Anyway, most big civvy companies do it now too (those that are worth working for at any rate)............so dry up.
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It doesn't infringe your civil liberties because it's an open condition of employment by an employer of your own free choice and you are "free" to leave at any time if CDT is a real problem for you.
Anyway, most big civvy companies do it now too (those that are worth working for at any rate)............so dry up.
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Is this the worst of your worries Cash Machine ? As TA says, it's a condition of your employment, I suppose that says it all really.
As the old saying goes, "if you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to worry about !"
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As the old saying goes, "if you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to worry about !"
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The only thing bad about CDT is being taken from your normal job and being recruited as one of the admin people that sit behind the desk and collect the pee vials. You go into work expecting a nice normal morning and end up bagging bottles of warm pee all morning.
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So I am free to leave at any time because I object to the principle of enforced CDT?
Does this bypass any PVR waiting times?
If prospective Tory leaders can stay silent about there use (or not) of recreational drugs, then what would they do if faced by a CDT?
If said prospective Tory leader made PM, would he continue to enforce CDT?
I have been tested once, but all the time I kept thinking, did I passivly inhale anything when I was in the pub last night? Would it show up?
Just how many 'dangers' to the armed services has this unreliable process uncovered (note I ask 'danger' to the services not positive tests)
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Does this bypass any PVR waiting times?
If prospective Tory leaders can stay silent about there use (or not) of recreational drugs, then what would they do if faced by a CDT?
If said prospective Tory leader made PM, would he continue to enforce CDT?
I have been tested once, but all the time I kept thinking, did I passivly inhale anything when I was in the pub last night? Would it show up?
Just how many 'dangers' to the armed services has this unreliable process uncovered (note I ask 'danger' to the services not positive tests)
missed me!
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I turned up to fly one night and was told I had been selected for the random drug test. (I choose to think it was because they thought i was the most responsible).
I said "So what do I do then? call them up and make an appointment?"
"Well if you do that" she said, fixing me with a baleful eye "it would hardly be random now would it?".
Good point. Still I passed the test (even though I had to guess at two of them).
I said "So what do I do then? call them up and make an appointment?"
"Well if you do that" she said, fixing me with a baleful eye "it would hardly be random now would it?".
Good point. Still I passed the test (even though I had to guess at two of them).
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We all do responsible jobs. On that basis...and presuming you are not taking mind distorting drugs yourself...don't you welcome the fact that this may help put weaker souls off abusing themselves.
In terms of operational experience, anything the plods and medics can do to make sure the lass or lad next to me cradling an armed GPMG isn't away with the fairies is very welcome.
Lighten up - if you're worried about CDT and peeing into a bottle I commend the Ronnie Barker sketch on same, with the memorable line when asked to use a bottle on the table some eight feet away responds "What, from over here?". RIP.
In terms of operational experience, anything the plods and medics can do to make sure the lass or lad next to me cradling an armed GPMG isn't away with the fairies is very welcome.
Lighten up - if you're worried about CDT and peeing into a bottle I commend the Ronnie Barker sketch on same, with the memorable line when asked to use a bottle on the table some eight feet away responds "What, from over here?". RIP.
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So I am free to leave at any time because I object to the principle of enforced CDT?
Does this bypass any PVR waiting times?
If prospective Tory leaders can stay silent about there use (or not) of recreational drugs, then what would they do if faced by a CDT?
If said prospective Tory leader made PM, would he continue to enforce CDT?
I have been tested once, but all the time I kept thinking, did I passivly inhale anything when I was in the pub last night? Would it show up?
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I agree about the worry of passively inhaling and failing cdt
Only problem is with the decline of the phone booth can you test positive via bluetooth?
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When CDT his Cranditz, they take over the Sultan's Quaboos on the sports fields. The PTIs have taken this whole Force Development thread further by placing pro-CDT messages around the pavilion that read:
"Keep Off the Grass"!!!
If it don't fit, hit it harder....
"Keep Off the Grass"!!!
If it don't fit, hit it harder....
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You are quite right. I was once speaking to an 'adminer' (just the once ... honest) and she recalled a story about someone who had tested positively for smoking pot. The individual had claimed that it was as a result of passive smoking at a party; the analysis guys stated that said individual would have had to have been in a phone box for something like 6 hours with 3 people smoking joints to have the same level of 'whatever' in his blood. Personally I can't bear to be in a rancid BT phone box for the length of a short phone call let alone 6 hours.
Not that I am against CDT (I pesonally think it is great - I want to know that those who work for and with me and indeed those who I work for, are free from the effects of such a habit) but as for making it a condition of employment, how does it work that an employer can constantly add compulsory conditions, such as the addition of CDT, RAFFT, OFT etc, to those who are already in the job without some for of negotiation of terms of service. I know that the obvious answers include 'if you cant take the heat' and 'if you can't take a joke' etc but perhaps someone with a good head for employment law can answer this. (Not that I have ever seen my 'contract' anyway !!)
You are quite right. I was once speaking to an 'adminer' (just the once ... honest) and she recalled a story about someone who had tested positively for smoking pot. The individual had claimed that it was as a result of passive smoking at a party; the analysis guys stated that said individual would have had to have been in a phone box for something like 6 hours with 3 people smoking joints to have the same level of 'whatever' in his blood. Personally I can't bear to be in a rancid BT phone box for the length of a short phone call let alone 6 hours.
Not that I am against CDT (I pesonally think it is great - I want to know that those who work for and with me and indeed those who I work for, are free from the effects of such a habit) but as for making it a condition of employment, how does it work that an employer can constantly add compulsory conditions, such as the addition of CDT, RAFFT, OFT etc, to those who are already in the job without some for of negotiation of terms of service. I know that the obvious answers include 'if you cant take the heat' and 'if you can't take a joke' etc but perhaps someone with a good head for employment law can answer this. (Not that I have ever seen my 'contract' anyway !!)
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So hang on....
CDT labs sniff your wee to see if you've been hanging around for six hours in a phone box?
Bearing in mind all phone boxes stink of wee anyway does this not confuse the results somewhat?
Or am I missing the point?
CDT labs sniff your wee to see if you've been hanging around for six hours in a phone box?
Bearing in mind all phone boxes stink of wee anyway does this not confuse the results somewhat?
Or am I missing the point?
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she recalled a story about someone who had tested positively for smoking pot. The individual had claimed that it was as a result of passive smoking at a party; the analysis guys stated that said individual would have had to have been in a phone box for something like 6 hours with 3 people smoking joints
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That's because you don't have a contract (and your exempt from any employment law relating to contractual arrangements - including constructive dismissal), you are employed by 'Royal perogative'. So if you don't like it you can always speak to the Queen!
(Not that I have ever seen my 'contract' anyway !!)
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November 4 - I know that this was an excused used by a certain airman as I was tasked conducting a different investigation in the same section.
Climbear - I don't recall saying I didn't like it, I was just intrigued as to how the terms of our service constantly being lengthened - and I don't really think even Queen is interested in our employment terms.
Climbear - I don't recall saying I didn't like it, I was just intrigued as to how the terms of our service constantly being lengthened - and I don't really think even Queen is interested in our employment terms.
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'They' can keep adding more or less what they want to your conditions and terms of service because it's a confidence trick, reliant on nobody seriously questioning the system. In theory we should be offered a new contract with the introduction of every mad cap idea - well certainly the ones you must be compliant with, hence the WRAFs in the mid-90s who were personally written to, IIRC to waive their right to be classed as non-combatant (...think it was something like that).
You'll also be aware of the urban legends who 'gave PMA a months notice' IAW European Law etc. Such people do exist but 'They' get rid of them as quietly as possible to maintain the confidence trick - it's really quite clever.
As for admin discharging someone who fails something like a CFT, they'd be on very dodgy ground legally if CFT fitness level wasn't a condition when that person joined; drugs is a little more black and white - 'They' just didn't have a test when 'we' joined.
I have few qualifications and don't know what I want to do when I leave the Circus, but leave I will - because I have to save my life; it's being eroded more and more every day in a very one-way relationship.
'They' can keep adding more or less what they want to your conditions and terms of service because it's a confidence trick, reliant on nobody seriously questioning the system. In theory we should be offered a new contract with the introduction of every mad cap idea - well certainly the ones you must be compliant with, hence the WRAFs in the mid-90s who were personally written to, IIRC to waive their right to be classed as non-combatant (...think it was something like that).
You'll also be aware of the urban legends who 'gave PMA a months notice' IAW European Law etc. Such people do exist but 'They' get rid of them as quietly as possible to maintain the confidence trick - it's really quite clever.
As for admin discharging someone who fails something like a CFT, they'd be on very dodgy ground legally if CFT fitness level wasn't a condition when that person joined; drugs is a little more black and white - 'They' just didn't have a test when 'we' joined.
I have few qualifications and don't know what I want to do when I leave the Circus, but leave I will - because I have to save my life; it's being eroded more and more every day in a very one-way relationship.