Tornado Crash in Sea Off St Andrews
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Just recalling what Bob Viking posted all those days ago.
Today is a bargain day for speculation.
First it was the Daily Mail (Readers Letters)
Then it was the Daily Record.
So after the post bird strike engine failure, the aircraft flew out to sea where the passenger pulls the handle and both crew end up in the drink, without the pilot being aware of the eject initiation.
Wow, even Tom Clancy would struggle to dream that one up.
Maybe it is time that the MoD were a bit more switched on to the need to brief the outside world. No school involved in this one, but could it be time to better manage information release.
Especially as the only MoD spokesman's comments appear to be drivel - floating down to the sea in the seat (trusting he was not misquoted).
Spelling mistake are cause I is an engineer.
Today is a bargain day for speculation.
First it was the Daily Mail (Readers Letters)
Then it was the Daily Record.
So after the post bird strike engine failure, the aircraft flew out to sea where the passenger pulls the handle and both crew end up in the drink, without the pilot being aware of the eject initiation.
Wow, even Tom Clancy would struggle to dream that one up.
Maybe it is time that the MoD were a bit more switched on to the need to brief the outside world. No school involved in this one, but could it be time to better manage information release.
Especially as the only MoD spokesman's comments appear to be drivel - floating down to the sea in the seat (trusting he was not misquoted).
Spelling mistake are cause I is an engineer.
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Following a slight interrupt...
I think talk is more likely to be around the fact the a pax was on such an eventful trip, and how well they did in what must have been disconcerting (to say the least) circumstances - cold, wet, dark, waiting in the dingy for the helicopters to arrive.
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The sergeant's possible role in this crash is the talk of the base.
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I read the 48 hr last week and can say that Jacko's sources did not read the same signal as me. Likewise, the letter in the Mail was utter garbage. The writer should have known better than to speculate and the newspaper probably did know better, but couldn't care less. The PRO or Media Ops Offr could do with a rebriefing too.
Congrats SC for winning a tie.
Congrats SC for winning a tie.
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The best rule is tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. BUT only if asked.
If asked only answer the question.
Mind you, may years ago I watched a senior Yorkshire policeman do just that. Every, and I mean every, question was a closed question to which the only plain answer was yes or no. That was exactly the answer that the journalist got and the further she tried to drag out other answers the firmer the yes and no became.
He did not even give 'I'm sorry I can't answer that question' phrase. A joy to watch but not the best PR for the police.
On any crash tell the journos what is blindingly obvious or what will be revealed in a short while.
The east anglican regional PRO told a good tale. He briefed the TV journos at a field location in Norfolk about breaking news of the Tornado crash at Newcastle. The news anchor then read back his entire verbatim report and ended with 'Is there anything you can tell us about the circumstances of the crash Colonel.' Stiched up!
If asked only answer the question.
Mind you, may years ago I watched a senior Yorkshire policeman do just that. Every, and I mean every, question was a closed question to which the only plain answer was yes or no. That was exactly the answer that the journalist got and the further she tried to drag out other answers the firmer the yes and no became.
He did not even give 'I'm sorry I can't answer that question' phrase. A joy to watch but not the best PR for the police.
On any crash tell the journos what is blindingly obvious or what will be revealed in a short while.
The east anglican regional PRO told a good tale. He briefed the TV journos at a field location in Norfolk about breaking news of the Tornado crash at Newcastle. The news anchor then read back his entire verbatim report and ended with 'Is there anything you can tell us about the circumstances of the crash Colonel.' Stiched up!
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Slightly different spin, but a thought occurs.
This was a pax ejection; I can recall (at least) two others, because they involved mates in one seat or the other.
Lightning T bird at Gut in late 70s (??) with a Harrier mate as pax. Both OK.
Harrier T bird (also Gut I think) - late 80s early 90s (???) army pilot pax in back seat gets out - front seater doesn't.
And this F3 makes (at least) three in less than 30 years.
Seems to be a high proportion of ejections involving pax, considering the (relatively) small proportion of pax rides.
Any comments from statisticians and/or jimgriff ??
And I'd better add that I am in no way implying a causal relationship, just noting what may be a statistical oddity.
This was a pax ejection; I can recall (at least) two others, because they involved mates in one seat or the other.
Lightning T bird at Gut in late 70s (??) with a Harrier mate as pax. Both OK.
Harrier T bird (also Gut I think) - late 80s early 90s (???) army pilot pax in back seat gets out - front seater doesn't.
And this F3 makes (at least) three in less than 30 years.
Seems to be a high proportion of ejections involving pax, considering the (relatively) small proportion of pax rides.
Any comments from statisticians and/or jimgriff ??
And I'd better add that I am in no way implying a causal relationship, just noting what may be a statistical oddity.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Add the young lass out of the Harrier. (Leading to the "revenge of the fat WRAFs" when skinny lightweight lasses couldn´t meet the seat specs)
And then there was Wedge Preston out of the Hawk......in no way implying a causal relationship.
And then there was Wedge Preston out of the Hawk......in no way implying a causal relationship.
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And then there was Wedge Preston out of the Hawk......
Groan....and there was me trying to be all nice and subtle in my previous post and not actually mention the bloke's name!!!!
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I once attended a lunch where the FC chap who ejected from the Hawk (I won't mention his name !!!!!) was called upon to tell his side of the story. To give him his due, his version of events was absolutely hilarious ... though I accept he had had a few years to perfect it.
It left me wondering whether there might have been something in his version.
That said, what are the chances...
And did they ever find the seat (which I believe would have been conclusive). Is there still a reward from MB on offer?
STH
It left me wondering whether there might have been something in his version.
That said, what are the chances...
And did they ever find the seat (which I believe would have been conclusive). Is there still a reward from MB on offer?
STH
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JOURNO: I'm covering the Tornado crash - what can you tell me?
RAF: It crashed.
JOURNO: OK...can you give me a few sensible pointers off the record, so I don't sound like an idiot when I write the story?
RAF: No.
JOURNO TO 19 YEAR OLD UNINFORMED CIVY WORKER ON AIRFIELD: Can you tell me anything?
19 YO: Yes lots...
...the next day.
RAF: This report in the paper is bolleaux. Typical bloody press.
RAF: It crashed.
JOURNO: OK...can you give me a few sensible pointers off the record, so I don't sound like an idiot when I write the story?
RAF: No.
JOURNO TO 19 YEAR OLD UNINFORMED CIVY WORKER ON AIRFIELD: Can you tell me anything?
19 YO: Yes lots...
...the next day.
RAF: This report in the paper is bolleaux. Typical bloody press.
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I'm concerned about the distress caused to the sea life and environment when a very expensive lump of metal full of kerosine collides with the seabed with no apparent reason. Will this increase the problems of Global Warming?
I need to know soon
Yours sincerly,
Worried - Scotland
I need to know soon
Yours sincerly,
Worried - Scotland
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Buoy15, it may have a beneficial effect on global warming. The immediate effect is to stop 10 tonne of kerosene turning into CO2. The longer term is also favourable as it reduced the CO2 converter fleet by one.
Marine pollution on the other hand . . .
Marine pollution on the other hand . . .
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BUOY 15
Dont tell Gordon Brown, he will probably want to claim the revene from the North Sea oil find.
Dont tell the SNP, they will probably claim it is another example of the English raping the North Sea of its wealth.
Dont tell Gordon Brown, he will probably want to claim the revene from the North Sea oil find.
Dont tell the SNP, they will probably claim it is another example of the English raping the North Sea of its wealth.
