RAF AT fleet, cx this out!
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Knife in the cabin, CAA regs after Sept 11th prohibit such articles on passenger jets
9/11 has caused a lot of changes in several different empires. But this isn't one of them.
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From: wilts
The problems within the AT fleet don't lie with the operating squadrons, or the menders, but with those sat in nice little offices tasking the fleet, the logistics organisation within the RAF and the people at the top doing nothing about it. We can only launch what we have, therefore the crews can only fly what we are able to give them.
with regards to the issue of flying on the AT fleet and not being in posession of sharp objects,such as knives, how many muppets and police do you see with their batman utility belts (leathermans, gerbers, etc) being transported around the world?
with regards to the issue of flying on the AT fleet and not being in posession of sharp objects,such as knives, how many muppets and police do you see with their batman utility belts (leathermans, gerbers, etc) being transported around the world?
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From: Long ago and far away ......
juliet,
You could assist us all by using paragraphs occasionally. Your post on the previous page is of interest but quite an eyeful. If you break it up with a bit of space then we will all be able to assimiliate it much easier. Thankyou.
I won't mention capitals .......
You could assist us all by using paragraphs occasionally. Your post on the previous page is of interest but quite an eyeful. If you break it up with a bit of space then we will all be able to assimiliate it much easier. Thankyou.
I won't mention capitals .......
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From: Lincs
Lineslime,
Maybe thats the answer then, lets post the movers to a squadron. Maybe that way, they will take a little more pride in their performance eh? Sorry to further burdon OC's of the AT world, but it might just work.
I agree entirely with you about the AT crews and Sqns. It is most definately NOT your fault or problem, and I for one, do not attach any blame to you at all.
As you say, it is the faceless, behind the scenes people at the top who need a rocket up their nighties!
Kind regards
TSM
Maybe thats the answer then, lets post the movers to a squadron. Maybe that way, they will take a little more pride in their performance eh? Sorry to further burdon OC's of the AT world, but it might just work.
I agree entirely with you about the AT crews and Sqns. It is most definately NOT your fault or problem, and I for one, do not attach any blame to you at all.
As you say, it is the faceless, behind the scenes people at the top who need a rocket up their nighties!
Kind regards
TSM
Last edited by The Swinging Monkey; 29th April 2005 at 06:36.
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MightyGem, unless you can offer objective comment or factual examples please don't slag off an entire trade group based on a whimsical afterthought
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From: Syracuse
Took the liberty of borrowing this quote from another post (apols Maple 1) :
"I do hope the above was meant as a 'joke' - I'm reminded of a book I read recently entitled 'we all wore Airforce blue' the point being that the 'them' and 'us' approach is bloody divisive and should be stamped on at every opportunity IMO "
I appreciate this is a rumour site, however most of you are supposed to be adults and paid a lot of money by HMG to act in a "grown up " way, however my faith in the RAF has been dented severly by the childish and inane posts submitted in recent days.
It seems that there is a definite "Blackadder and Baldrick" system existing in todays smaller caring air force.
Should we all be pulling together to make the job easier in the current climate of less personnel and more overseas dets/guard duties ?
I appreciate that there are good and bad Movers out there, its the same with every branch, but surely rather than whinge about it lets try and see if their mistakes can be rectified and safeguards put in place to avoid accidents (Herc nosewheel incidents).
Lets all work together.
Rant over
"I do hope the above was meant as a 'joke' - I'm reminded of a book I read recently entitled 'we all wore Airforce blue' the point being that the 'them' and 'us' approach is bloody divisive and should be stamped on at every opportunity IMO "
I appreciate this is a rumour site, however most of you are supposed to be adults and paid a lot of money by HMG to act in a "grown up " way, however my faith in the RAF has been dented severly by the childish and inane posts submitted in recent days.
It seems that there is a definite "Blackadder and Baldrick" system existing in todays smaller caring air force.
Should we all be pulling together to make the job easier in the current climate of less personnel and more overseas dets/guard duties ?
I appreciate that there are good and bad Movers out there, its the same with every branch, but surely rather than whinge about it lets try and see if their mistakes can be rectified and safeguards put in place to avoid accidents (Herc nosewheel incidents).
Lets all work together.
Rant over
Fat Albert
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From: Wilts, UK
Dionysius
At risk of being totally of the subject but in response to your post.
I agree, however the post immediately before the one you plagerised on the closed thread is a classic example.
Quote from one "Deliverance"
"I don't think the other ranks care about the rights/wrongs of cases involving officers. They just want to see us fall."
If that is an attitude that exists in the Officer cadre, and I don't believe it does to any degree, then you shouldn't be surprised that we are where we are?
I hope this mans opinion is an isolated one as he is clearly a pompous @r$e
I agree, however the post immediately before the one you plagerised on the closed thread is a classic example.
Quote from one "Deliverance"
"I don't think the other ranks care about the rights/wrongs of cases involving officers. They just want to see us fall."
If that is an attitude that exists in the Officer cadre, and I don't believe it does to any degree, then you shouldn't be surprised that we are where we are?
I hope this mans opinion is an isolated one as he is clearly a pompous @r$e
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From: Uranus
Got one for you...
I recently returned from Basra on a flight along with a team of Herc engineers. We were supposed to catch a Tristar home, but its DIRCM went t!ts and it diverted to Bahrain. Albert Air laid on 4 Hercs at no notice in order to ferry the Tristar passengers out to Bahrain and collect the incoming grunts.
One of the waiting Herc engineers who was due to fly out on the Tristar approached the Muppet WO in the terminal to ask if the engineers could be released from the departure lounge (read "Mover concentration camp") for a short while in order to help the few remaining Herc boys prepare the aircraft, thereby hastening everyone's trip home. The WO snapped something rude like "The RAF doesn't depend on engineers, you know" and sent them back into Mover Belsen.
We spent the whole night waiting in Basra while the handful of poor knackered boys outside prepared the Hercs. Meanwhile, a bunch of qualified Herc engineers scratched their @rses incarcerated in the Terminal.
Tw@t
I recently returned from Basra on a flight along with a team of Herc engineers. We were supposed to catch a Tristar home, but its DIRCM went t!ts and it diverted to Bahrain. Albert Air laid on 4 Hercs at no notice in order to ferry the Tristar passengers out to Bahrain and collect the incoming grunts.
One of the waiting Herc engineers who was due to fly out on the Tristar approached the Muppet WO in the terminal to ask if the engineers could be released from the departure lounge (read "Mover concentration camp") for a short while in order to help the few remaining Herc boys prepare the aircraft, thereby hastening everyone's trip home. The WO snapped something rude like "The RAF doesn't depend on engineers, you know" and sent them back into Mover Belsen.
We spent the whole night waiting in Basra while the handful of poor knackered boys outside prepared the Hercs. Meanwhile, a bunch of qualified Herc engineers scratched their @rses incarcerated in the Terminal.
Tw@t
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From: Quite near 'An aerodrome somewhere in England'
Disgraceful! I hope that you reported the attitude of that WO jobsworth to your boss when you got back
Is this really the sort of depth to which the RAF has sunk?
Is this really the sort of depth to which the RAF has sunk?
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From: Guess
For starters....
Once checked in through security its not the movers say for you to leave the terminal.. thats an ATSY/security matter. Get your facts right.
Don't believe there is a WO mover post in BSR..
Perhaps you should brush up on movements before you start slagging us off and find just how much control we have over some of the rubbish you lot are churning out. Our hands are tied by the rules just as yours are in your respective trades. (and its not your average mover who makes the rules up !)
Its the jobsworths sat in the ivory towers who control policy, like you we have to go along with it.
Once checked in through security its not the movers say for you to leave the terminal.. thats an ATSY/security matter. Get your facts right.
Don't believe there is a WO mover post in BSR..
Perhaps you should brush up on movements before you start slagging us off and find just how much control we have over some of the rubbish you lot are churning out. Our hands are tied by the rules just as yours are in your respective trades. (and its not your average mover who makes the rules up !)
Its the jobsworths sat in the ivory towers who control policy, like you we have to go along with it.
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From: Guess
E5,
Well been here there and everywhere but mainly warm sandy places..
Just been obseving the posts and biting my lip and having a chuckle as usual.
Oh, must appologise I believe there was a WO out in BSR. Not sure if he was a DWR or a stand in for an officer (DAMO).
Rgds MM
Well been here there and everywhere but mainly warm sandy places..
Just been obseving the posts and biting my lip and having a chuckle as usual.
Oh, must appologise I believe there was a WO out in BSR. Not sure if he was a DWR or a stand in for an officer (DAMO).
Rgds MM
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From: England
Mobile Muppet,
with the help of 2 bottles of God's squashed grape juice, I've decided that I don't like your tone very much.
Stop blaming everyone else for being at fault and accept that a Mover must have earnt said reputation somewhere and some how. Certainly, blame sometimes falls on the wrong shoulders, but how many repititions of damning evidence do you need?
Get promoted to top !!!! (movement) and sort it out and then post and tell us and we'll have a proper excuse for a top party!!
Regards,
R&R
with the help of 2 bottles of God's squashed grape juice, I've decided that I don't like your tone very much.
Stop blaming everyone else for being at fault and accept that a Mover must have earnt said reputation somewhere and some how. Certainly, blame sometimes falls on the wrong shoulders, but how many repititions of damning evidence do you need?
Get promoted to top !!!! (movement) and sort it out and then post and tell us and we'll have a proper excuse for a top party!!
Regards,
R&R
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From: Wiltshire
Linechap,
If the ALM/Ge had any thing about them they would exit the aircraft for the shutdown with the nose pin in hand , maybe SOP's should reflect this or maybe, as this stupid rule is never enforced down route OC Eng WG should get a f@ckin life
. Or possibly his OC ENGness should re write the order to reflect that no ground crew, of any persuasion are allowed on the aircraft until the pin is in.
This would enable the "see in team" to insert the pin after the a/c brakes have been released, which is well before the hordes of "gypsies"....(I feel the need to add gypsies have no technical background) swarm on in search of "goodies"
Having done battle with the "thieves empire" 30 years ago at Oxon I now take great pleasure advising new ALM's in the art of bagging up anything worth having and where to stash it to keep the "luggage crushers" hungry
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
If the ALM/Ge had any thing about them they would exit the aircraft for the shutdown with the nose pin in hand , maybe SOP's should reflect this or maybe, as this stupid rule is never enforced down route OC Eng WG should get a f@ckin life
. Or possibly his OC ENGness should re write the order to reflect that no ground crew, of any persuasion are allowed on the aircraft until the pin is in.This would enable the "see in team" to insert the pin after the a/c brakes have been released, which is well before the hordes of "gypsies"....(I feel the need to add gypsies have no technical background) swarm on in search of "goodies"
Having done battle with the "thieves empire" 30 years ago at Oxon I now take great pleasure advising new ALM's in the art of bagging up anything worth having and where to stash it to keep the "luggage crushers" hungry
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
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RAF AT etc
Swinging Monkey
Apologies about the bus and u/s a/c comments, but the thread had turned into a Mover bashing match and it seemed to be unfair to blame them. As to have I been on an Op, try everything from Corporate onwards, do I carry spare kit in my hand luggage? Yes I do, just in case, it's called good admin or alternativley "expect the unexpected" its all part of being a well organised Tom. I recently diverted into a civvy airport and had to hang around on the pan until the powers that be got us into hotels, we then had to get changed in to civvies pror to leaving the airport. Oh one other thing, if it was several hours before you went off on a sortie, surely you had time to change?
Apologies about the bus and u/s a/c comments, but the thread had turned into a Mover bashing match and it seemed to be unfair to blame them. As to have I been on an Op, try everything from Corporate onwards, do I carry spare kit in my hand luggage? Yes I do, just in case, it's called good admin or alternativley "expect the unexpected" its all part of being a well organised Tom. I recently diverted into a civvy airport and had to hang around on the pan until the powers that be got us into hotels, we then had to get changed in to civvies pror to leaving the airport. Oh one other thing, if it was several hours before you went off on a sortie, surely you had time to change?