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Old 15th Apr 2005, 06:24
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C5 crew run drugs

The Times: US airmen caught smuggling Ecstasy tablets worth $11.6m

TWO National Guardsmen were being held last night after admitting that they had smuggled tens of millions of dollars worth of Ecstasy into the US on military flights. Captain Franklin Rodriguez and Sergeant John Fong were arrested as they unloaded 290,000 tablets of the drug into their car after flying a US Air Force cargo aircraft across the Atlantic from Germany.......

Captain Rodriguez, 35, a pilot of the giant C5A Galaxy cargo aircraft, and Sergeant Fong, 36, a cargo loader, set off from Stewart Air National Guard base in Newburgh, New York, a week ago to deliver equipment and training supplies to the Republic of Georgia, via Ger- many. On their return stop-over in Germany the pair went to an hotel room where they loaded 28 plastic bags wrapped in tape into their personal luggage, according to authorities.

They were the only two men aboard on the transatlantic leg.

......Under questioning, Sergeant Fong told agents that he and Captain Rodriguez had also transported Ecstasy into the US on three previous occasions. They said that they were each paid $10,000 (£5,320) for each journey..... The 140lb shipment intercepted this week had a street value of up to $11.6 million......
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Put them up against the wall!

Drug dealers should face a mandatory death sentence.
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So a C-5A can fly trans-atlantic with just a pilot and a loadmaster? Don't tell AFPC or they'll cut half the crews!

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I'm with BEagle - dealers and suppliers are mass murderers.

Torture them first and then overdose them.
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Some female crewmembers, perhaps?

Should be filled with the stuff (not you, rivetjoint) and then made to dance to the Chemical Brothers until death overtakes them. Even without E death would be swift.
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The Chemical Brothers would surely be classed as cruel & unusual!
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Seems to be a lot of "Rodriguez" in the US Armed forces...must be one of the most common names in the country...

Bet they all come from San Diego area...

I was just about to post this story when i saw it already...
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They were the only two men aboard on the transatlantic leg.
I wonder if the rest of the crew were Gals? .....

I noticed a very pleasant young lady sitting up front on a west bound Atlantic crossing, in a Herc, a couple of days ago ...... same airline(USAF)
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...and for a lousy ten grand



What were they thinking?
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I have to disagree with Beags on the sentence for drug dealers. They cause immeasurable suffering to large numbers of people whom they sucker into the game for their own profit. However, although I support the return of the death penalty as it was largely applied prior to its abolition, I believe it is inappropriate in these cases.

Instead, take the confiscated drugs, and rather than burn them, place the convicted dealer in solitary confinement [hands permanently handcuffed behind him] and inject him intravenously and clinically [to avoid their early demise through infection] every day until they are totally addicted. Then stop administering drugs altogether; but do not administer alternatives to help with withdrawal - in other words, they go completely cold turkey. When they are totally 'unaddicted', start the process all over again, and again, and again, for the rest of their natural lives. All the time, feed them on scraps collected from restaurants, etc, in much the same way we supplied the Station pig farms of old [remember those, all ye Officers i/c?]. Food thrown through the flap in the cell door, onto the floor; no plates, cutlery, etc. Eat directly from the floor. Water rationed to the minimum to sustain life, served through the cell wall into a concrete dog-type bowl. Drink from bowl like a dog.

No human rights, no exercise periods, no fluffy huggy namby-pamby treatment. No TV, no radio, no books, no visiters, no bed [just a concrete slab, much like the pavements under railway arches where addicts are forced to live], toilet a bucket in the corner, cold water hose down once a week.

The word will soon get round that dealing is not worth the risk of getting caught for the life you will lead until you die.
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My FJJP it would appear that you have the devil within?? Such hatred and malice? "Something of the night about you?"
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Having recently had my first personal contact [one-to-one on a professional basis] with a drug addict, I had cause to change my attitude towards some of them. I previously had a no-compromise totally anti their waste-of-space-oxygen-stealing lifestyle, the scourge of society. However, after several hours of dealing with this particular individual, and learning a great deal more of her home and personal life in her pre-teen and teenage years, I began to understand how some can become caught up in the cycle of substance dependency. An extremely weak and easily dominated individual, with a crap home life like you wouldn't believe and a manipulative family and series of boyfriends who treated her like a slave, led her into the use and dependency cycle. She was never in a position to say 'NO' at any stage. Drugs became her release from the trap of reality.

I could not understand people like this until I thought of my own upbringing, that, although by no means privileged and trouble-free, at least gave me a decent education and the chance to make something of myself. Coupled with that, consider the sheltered existence of my whole adult working life in the Forces, surrounded by professional and motivated people that are bright and have a reasonable intelligence level. For the first time in my life, the reality of the term 'underprivileged' was brought home to me; in her early 20s, she can't read or write. She had never been taught. Or allowed to learn. She never had a chance to live a normal life. She suffers from drug-related diseases. And she lives in fear.

At that point I began to differentiate between user and supplier. Clearly, not all users are as above, but a significant number are. Also consider the supplier who resorts to waiting outside the primary school gates to trap the susceptible into the cycle which he will support in the future and thus guarantee his future income and lifestyle - many suppliers are not and never have been users. They prey on the weak and vulnerable to finance their £million mansions and brand new BMWs. It's easier than working for a living, and they do not have to pick up the pieces of broken lives or suffer the consequences of crime committed by those to feed their dependency.

If I could introduce the prison conditions detailed in my previous post for drug suppliers at all levels I would have no hesitation; unfortunately, we are sometimes too civilised in our Society. Those who shout the loudest on human rights issues are usually those who have never come into contact with the victims and love hearing the sound of their own voices; they often look upon themselves as modern-day Crusaders, and will jump on any bandwagon to enhance their miserable position in Society.

Phew! Sorry to bang on a bit, but I suspect few of us have ever had contact with that world; I thought it would be useful to recount my recent experiences to put the actions of these 2 USAF animals in some sort of perspective.
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FJJP, Do you realise that some smart assed lawyers and do gooders would disagree with your views, and could well decide to sue you? It's a breach of the scumbags human rights to be tortured, is'nt it? (But I like the idea though!)
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FJJP,

Are you running for election?

You'd get my vote!

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the FJJP party manifesto

Well its the only one I can believe in which will do the country any good, so he gets my vote too!
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I personally have no big problem with drug dealers as such. They don't force anyone to use drugs, it is peoples OWN choice whether to partake or not. There is something fundamentally wrong about having alcohol legal although it is generally accepted to be one of the more damaging mind altering substances, whilst others are illegal. Before you ask, I don't, and have never used drugs (apart from alcohol), but I think that should be my choice. It is the illegality of the substances that pushes people to buy dangerous, poor quality substances from drug dealing scum. I say scum, because thats what they are, but not because they are dealers. If drugs were legal, they would be off pursuing some other illegal way of making profit like the mobsters they are. Just like prohibition, I believe the anti drugs campaign is doomed because you cannot legislate against such a huge percentage of the population who regularly use drugs and are thus criminalised. Instead we should legalise and work to minimise the effect upon the minority who, just like with alcohol will develope a dependancy. The plus side of it being legal of course will be its availabilty at a reasonable price thus obviating the need for addicts to steal to feed their habit, and less deaths from rat poison and strychnine cut into the mix.
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Total bolleaux!

Drug dealers and suppliers are the scum of the earth and should be put to death.

No excuses.
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Does that apply to anyone running a pub or off-license or shop selling cigarettes too, or are you totally arbitrary in your hipocritical Daily Mail views
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Old 16th Apr 2005, 16:08
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If you can't tell the difference between what is legal and what isn't, don't bother posting.

Sniping at what you presume my political view may be is completely irrelevant.

Death should be the appropriate sentence for all who deal in the filth which is destroying our society!
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I've always found it strange that the drugs alcohol and tobacco are legal and all the others illegal...what's the difference? Legalise them all I say, that way you take the money from the dealers and provide a huge tax gift to the government. The drugs would be clean and could be issued with some semblance of control. The tax raised from the drugs could be used to both educate kids about the harm these substances cause, and also to provide decent rehab for addicts.
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