RAF Redundancies ?
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Are we actually going to see a large outflow, either through redundancy or PVR, in the next 18 months?
However, I do agree that there will be the usual crowd who talk a lot about it, but are quite happy sitting fat, dumb and happy in the RAF.
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People in the RAF become slowly institutionalised over the years making an exit seem much harder than it really is
I for one have never seen the levels of dissalusionment in the 25+ years in the mob
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Sorry, my last post was badly phrased, not for the first time, or probably the last. I will try better here.
I am well aware of an 8,000 reduction in a force of 51,000 odd, including about 2,700 redundancies. So there is obviously a large enforced outflow in the next couple of years. What I was referring to, which most replies since have fortunately picked up on, was whether all this talk of people being hacked off and leaving anyway, even if they don't get the redundancy package, is actually likely to happen. Is it all talk. Is it comments by one or two on pprune, or a genuine feeling held by large numbers of serving personnel? Hope that clears up my point!!
And before anyone asks, I am not a journo, neither am I fishing!!
I am well aware of an 8,000 reduction in a force of 51,000 odd, including about 2,700 redundancies. So there is obviously a large enforced outflow in the next couple of years. What I was referring to, which most replies since have fortunately picked up on, was whether all this talk of people being hacked off and leaving anyway, even if they don't get the redundancy package, is actually likely to happen. Is it all talk. Is it comments by one or two on pprune, or a genuine feeling held by large numbers of serving personnel? Hope that clears up my point!!
And before anyone asks, I am not a journo, neither am I fishing!!
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For info on the number of applicants for 'Tranche One':
http://www.parliament.the-stationery.../45/45we17.htm
"Invitations for the first tranche of around 450 were invited in December 2004 with applicants set to leave the service by 30 September 2005 and non-applicants by 31 March 2006. The closing date for applications was 28 January 2005 and there were 1,160 applications for the 450 places; most of the unsuccessful applicants will remain eligible to apply for the next tranche."
http://www.parliament.the-stationery.../45/45we17.htm
"Invitations for the first tranche of around 450 were invited in December 2004 with applicants set to leave the service by 30 September 2005 and non-applicants by 31 March 2006. The closing date for applications was 28 January 2005 and there were 1,160 applications for the 450 places; most of the unsuccessful applicants will remain eligible to apply for the next tranche."
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I can cheerfully confirm to all, whether journos or not - I don't care!
1. After being briefed by the CO last year on the cutbacks, the atmosphere was one of angry sullen resentment and distrust.
2. The RAF is grossly overstretched. Not just stretched or even overstretched. Grossly overstretched. Try this for example - a serving husband and wife being pinged for out-of-area detachments within months of each other. No wonder people wish to leave in droves!
3. The MoD is bankrupt as a result of adopting the ridiculous resourse accounting budget system. This is the reasoning behind cutbacks such as the ridiculous decisions taken, for example to bin the FA2 and to withdraw the Jaguar early with no replacement capabilities.
1. After being briefed by the CO last year on the cutbacks, the atmosphere was one of angry sullen resentment and distrust.
2. The RAF is grossly overstretched. Not just stretched or even overstretched. Grossly overstretched. Try this for example - a serving husband and wife being pinged for out-of-area detachments within months of each other. No wonder people wish to leave in droves!
3. The MoD is bankrupt as a result of adopting the ridiculous resourse accounting budget system. This is the reasoning behind cutbacks such as the ridiculous decisions taken, for example to bin the FA2 and to withdraw the Jaguar early with no replacement capabilities.
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Ah good old RAB, remember all the posters announcing his arrival?
I've heard that those in da management who had wholly embraced it are now realising that they didn't have a clue about the effects
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I've heard that those in da management who had wholly embraced it are now realising that they didn't have a clue about the effects
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Just a shame they couldn't make such information easily available to those who matter ?
JessTheDog
Bankrupt ? - just money, or something else more worrying ?
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RAB - I wonder if the @rsehole who introduced that still works in the MoD ?
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Not long now -
Just a shame they couldn't make such information easily available to those who matter ?
JessTheDog
Bankrupt ? - just money, or something else more worrying ?
Safeware
RAB - I wonder if the @rsehole who introduced that still works in the MoD ?
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Not long now -
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Will all those who have been making noises about leaving actually put their money where their mouths are??
Well, we have an (alleged) surplus of ME pilots (who still manage to work their collective nuts off), the FRI is gone, and the airlines are recruiting heavily.
Go figure.
If the exodus does happen, we will lose a huge chunk of our experience base, since first tourist captains are struggling to make the requisite hours for Military Accreditation (whilst working their nuts off - how does that work? not enough flying, too much bullsh1t, perhaps).
Those who leave will be second and maybe third tourists (if there is still such a thing), leaving behind folks who will struggle for some time yet to build a good experience base.
But then again, hasn't this all happened before??
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Well, we have an (alleged) surplus of ME pilots (who still manage to work their collective nuts off), the FRI is gone, and the airlines are recruiting heavily.
Go figure.
If the exodus does happen, we will lose a huge chunk of our experience base, since first tourist captains are struggling to make the requisite hours for Military Accreditation (whilst working their nuts off - how does that work? not enough flying, too much bullsh1t, perhaps).
Those who leave will be second and maybe third tourists (if there is still such a thing), leaving behind folks who will struggle for some time yet to build a good experience base.
But then again, hasn't this all happened before??
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For those that don't know Resource Accounting and Budgeting (RAB) is not an MOD inspired or wanted method of accounting. This was a government decision that was foisted upon (all?) government departments. I once had it explained to me that every 10 years or so the accountancy world come up with a new way of doing business. Why? Well if "they" invent a new "system" and then sell it to the world, the world needs your financial help to understand it, so "you" hire accountants. After a few years "you" get good at it and no longer need accountants as advisors, so "they" invent a new way of doing business, so "you" need to hire accountants to understand the new system. After a few years "you" get good at it and no longer need............
Remember NMS in the late 80's? Then came somthing else in the 90's (PFI?) and now this RAB rubbish in the naughties! In about 2014 we can expect another new way of doing business!! I vote for cash. Works every time .
Remember NMS in the late 80's? Then came somthing else in the 90's (PFI?) and now this RAB rubbish in the naughties! In about 2014 we can expect another new way of doing business!! I vote for cash. Works every time
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New Ideas ?
Someone once told me that he believed that most new ideas/schemes/initiatives originate on trains. Yes, that's right, trains. His theory being that some senior officer would be travelling home from a meeting after a few sherbets, find some new management handbook abandoned on said train, read it through bleary eyes and then try to implement the ideas when he got back to work and pass them off as his own.
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YellowBelly -
"Invitations for the first tranche of around 450 were invited in December 2004 with applicants set to leave the service by 30 September 2005 and non-applicants by 31 March 2006. The closing date for applications was 28 January 2005 and there were 1,160 applications for the 450 places; most of the unsuccessful applicants will remain eligible to apply for the next tranche."
Well here is one 25 year served, peed-off airman that will try for a second bite given the chance... from within an IPT that seems intent on stabbing itself in the back, from the top down!
Good luck everyone!
"Invitations for the first tranche of around 450 were invited in December 2004 with applicants set to leave the service by 30 September 2005 and non-applicants by 31 March 2006. The closing date for applications was 28 January 2005 and there were 1,160 applications for the 450 places; most of the unsuccessful applicants will remain eligible to apply for the next tranche."
Well here is one 25 year served, peed-off airman that will try for a second bite given the chance... from within an IPT that seems intent on stabbing itself in the back, from the top down!
Good luck everyone!
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Biggus, I heard the figure was around 80% but I don't know how true that is.
Also have heard that those who applied for Tranche 1 will be told on Thursday 31st giving 6 months to out date. Those who were successful will get to see the Staish those who were not will get a nice you're too valuable letter! Note thats not valued but valuable.
Still if as another 25 year peed-off airman, I don't get it I can hope my rank/trade will be in tranche 2.
Gebaloo, second bite? Have you been told the result of the first then?
Also have heard that those who applied for Tranche 1 will be told on Thursday 31st giving 6 months to out date. Those who were successful will get to see the Staish those who were not will get a nice you're too valuable letter! Note thats not valued but valuable.
Still if as another 25 year peed-off airman, I don't get it I can hope my rank/trade will be in tranche 2.
Gebaloo, second bite? Have you been told the result of the first then?
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Redundancy Announcements
I'm hearing that the successful applicants and the compulsories are to be told at 0800 tomorrow.
Does anyone know any different or heard either way yet ?
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Does anyone know any different or heard either way yet ?
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I have the Tranche 2 signal in front of me, and a quiet night in front of the telly for the football. I'm happy to answer questions via PM or on the thread.
The signal begins with the Tr 1 facts that 1100 applications were received, 510 selected....including one non-applicant!
It seems that Musicians & PTI's need not apply.
The scribblies are gettin a kickin in Tr 2
GD?
Up to
5 AVM/Air Cdre
5 Gp Capt
40 Wg Cmdr
9 WSO(N) ME and RW Sqn Ldr/JO
The signal begins with the Tr 1 facts that 1100 applications were received, 510 selected....including one non-applicant!
It seems that Musicians & PTI's need not apply.
The scribblies are gettin a kickin in Tr 2
GD?
Up to
5 AVM/Air Cdre
5 Gp Capt
40 Wg Cmdr
9 WSO(N) ME and RW Sqn Ldr/JO
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The scribblies are gettin a kickin in Tr 2
The numbers of TG1 in the next tranche are big though.
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Tranche 2 TG1 (& 2?)
Up to
A Eng Tech
12 WO
23 FS
Heavies.............Enlisted before
90 Chf Tech.......1/4/83
190 Sgt..............1/4/86
165 Cpl..............1/4/90
Fairies/Leckies....
80 Chf Tech........1/4/84
110 Sgt...............1/4/85
80 Cpl..................1/4/80
Up to
A Eng Tech
12 WO
23 FS
Heavies.............Enlisted before
90 Chf Tech.......1/4/83
190 Sgt..............1/4/86
165 Cpl..............1/4/90
Fairies/Leckies....
80 Chf Tech........1/4/84
110 Sgt...............1/4/85
80 Cpl..................1/4/80
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DTG of the signal, available to all soon?
Also is that 9 WSO(N) ME Sqn Ldr/JO and 9 RW Sqn Ldr/JO? Or 9 in total across both. I suspect you must mean the former!
DTG of the signal, available to all soon?
Also is that 9 WSO(N) ME Sqn Ldr/JO and 9 RW Sqn Ldr/JO? Or 9 in total across both. I suspect you must mean the former!
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No, the latter. The list is in table form, and the block for 'SPEC' contains
WSO(N) ME AND RW
then:-
SQN LDR/JO
22-31 Reckonable Service
Up to 9
As Gweedo says, it came on the Intranet this afternoon and the CIS Capabilties Flight have run out of inkjet cartridges.
WSO(N) ME AND RW
then:-
SQN LDR/JO
22-31 Reckonable Service
Up to 9
As Gweedo says, it came on the Intranet this afternoon and the CIS Capabilties Flight have run out of inkjet cartridges.