RAF Redundancies ?
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
The email copy I have does not have a dtg, got it just after lunch. The recknoable service is over the age of 21.
Interestingly the split between JO and sqn ldr is the same as happened in 1973. Then the sqn ldrs redundancy could be compulsory and the flt lts was voluntary.
This time round there are no JO ATC but 10 sqn ldr ATC. Good news for those with 17-23 years service and JUST promoted on the last list. Out of the swamp and into the fire!
Interestingly the split between JO and sqn ldr is the same as happened in 1973. Then the sqn ldrs redundancy could be compulsory and the flt lts was voluntary.
This time round there are no JO ATC but 10 sqn ldr ATC. Good news for those with 17-23 years service and JUST promoted on the last list. Out of the swamp and into the fire!
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Ar#e. No slots this time .... should have applied last time but I was looking for a slot at a unit which has since been earmarked for reduction.
Surprised that its out early though, any jafa's subscribing to this?
Surprised that its out early though, any jafa's subscribing to this?
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(3rd PM, quite popular tonight)
WSO(AE) Sqn Ldr/JO 22-31 Reckonable Up to 4
ALM JO 19-31 Reckonable Up to 2
No NCA on the list
Tranch 3.....
NCA WSOP(ALM) Possibly
I'll check back in after Englang have slaughtered the Azerbajanis
WSO(AE) Sqn Ldr/JO 22-31 Reckonable Up to 4
ALM JO 19-31 Reckonable Up to 2
No NCA on the list
Tranch 3.....
NCA WSOP(ALM) Possibly
I'll check back in after Englang have slaughtered the Azerbajanis
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That's enough dreaming from you Tranche 2 Wannabees
Us Tranche 1 Nervous Wrecks get the news around about tea-break tommorrow, Thursday.
As a triple veteran redundancy failure, I predict that the Chief Clerk already has little piles of envelopes on his desk, and your section or sqn boss will be summoned soon after first coffee to collect the bundles.
For the unsucessful applicants - last time round we got our patronising letters later that day in the internal mail. This time, we had the option of choosing our home address for the bad news.
Lunchtime drinks at the Sgts Mess anyone?
Us Tranche 1 Nervous Wrecks get the news around about tea-break tommorrow, Thursday.
As a triple veteran redundancy failure, I predict that the Chief Clerk already has little piles of envelopes on his desk, and your section or sqn boss will be summoned soon after first coffee to collect the bundles.
For the unsucessful applicants - last time round we got our patronising letters later that day in the internal mail. This time, we had the option of choosing our home address for the bad news.
Lunchtime drinks at the Sgts Mess anyone?
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No pilots in T2 then? I thought we were vastly overborne with ME pilots? And we are very short of Navs.
But then, nobody said it has to make sense I suppose....
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But then, nobody said it has to make sense I suppose....
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Here at Lyneham its happened pretty much as I guessed in my previous post. The Sqn Ldr has given the lucky guys the news, and the others are expecting their patronising letter today or tommorrow.
The latest update on the intranet gives an interesting statistic:-
A Tech M (Airframes/Engines/Appos - Chf Tech/Sgt/Cpl)
695 qualified to apply
517 applied
205 got it
I make that 74% of the workforce (who qualified) applied for redundancy.
And therefore, approx 50% of the remaining workforce have just one thing on their minds for the next year - Tranche 2
That includes me, by the way.
It appears that the single compulsory redundancy was a high ranking medic.
The latest update on the intranet gives an interesting statistic:-
A Tech M (Airframes/Engines/Appos - Chf Tech/Sgt/Cpl)
695 qualified to apply
517 applied
205 got it
I make that 74% of the workforce (who qualified) applied for redundancy.
And therefore, approx 50% of the remaining workforce have just one thing on their minds for the next year - Tranche 2
That includes me, by the way.
It appears that the single compulsory redundancy was a high ranking medic.
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Yellowbelly,
As far as I remember there was a requirement for 6 in Tranche 1. There were 13 applicants of which 12 were accepted. I believe that circa 68 Multi Engine Navs (we are all too old, and proud, to be WSOs) in the bracket.
Please correct any errors SPHL
I got my letter today and it was very strange being congratulated by all and sundry for being made (voluntarily) redundant
but then again maybe thats the way it is these days 
As far as I remember there was a requirement for 6 in Tranche 1. There were 13 applicants of which 12 were accepted. I believe that circa 68 Multi Engine Navs (we are all too old, and proud, to be WSOs) in the bracket.
Please correct any errors SPHL
I got my letter today and it was very strange being congratulated by all and sundry for being made (voluntarily) redundant
but then again maybe thats the way it is these days
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Stan, likewise. A very strange feeling after 27 years to be going but at least I get to leave with the knowledge that I did my best despite pressure to cut corners. I feel sorry for those left behind who weren't in the bracket or can't apply for financial reasons (pension not earned etc). At least it'll get some promotion going hopefully and those left may not be too disgruntled as a result. Just hope comitments reduce in line with the decline in people. To all those looking to tranche 2. Best of luck!
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Stan B
Many thanks for the info, and my best wishes to you for the future. Also, I share your view on Nav terminology - confess I'm still not sure what we're (officially) called these days - Fly (N) or WSO(N)? Seems to change with each ACR, and then they seem to change the ACR number each year (do recall that 1369s are a thing of the past, but at least they were produced by a typist who could be monstered at the Christmas party...)
Anyway, must stop dribbling and head off to the bath chair...
YB
Many thanks for the info, and my best wishes to you for the future. Also, I share your view on Nav terminology - confess I'm still not sure what we're (officially) called these days - Fly (N) or WSO(N)? Seems to change with each ACR, and then they seem to change the ACR number each year (do recall that 1369s are a thing of the past, but at least they were produced by a typist who could be monstered at the Christmas party...)
Anyway, must stop dribbling and head off to the bath chair...
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Promotion following the cuts - sorry redundancies
The Tranche 2 signal states that there will be gaps produced as a result of the redundancies, but these will remain gapped until something like a steady state to prevent blockages ... (yeah, right).
Top management will consider the need to reduce outputs to avoid placing an unacceptable burden on personnel.
Worrying wording is ... consider the need .... and who is going to judge the burden.
20/20 hindsight is a mervellous thing, but with only a 50% acceptance rate probly would have not got it. Some v unhappy guys in the office today. Nice letter, but if they are so valuable why have they not been promoted? [rhetorical]
Top management will consider the need to reduce outputs to avoid placing an unacceptable burden on personnel.
Worrying wording is ... consider the need .... and who is going to judge the burden.
20/20 hindsight is a mervellous thing, but with only a 50% acceptance rate probly would have not got it. Some v unhappy guys in the office today. Nice letter, but if they are so valuable why have they not been promoted? [rhetorical]
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HOODED,
Same to you, best of luck in the future. I bet though that no one will actually be interested in actually why we were interseted in leaving.
We have filled a stat; who will care anymore
Same to you, best of luck in the future. I bet though that no one will actually be interested in actually why we were interseted in leaving.
We have filled a stat; who will care anymore
The actual figures for redundancy applications seem to suggest that it is mainly groundcrew trades that are keen to leave. Their applicant numbers were generally over twice that actually required. However, the aircrew applicant numbers only just met the requirement, just avoiding the need for compulsary aircrew redundancies.
So, are aircrew happier with their lot, or are they all talk and no action? (I realise there were no slots for pilots to apply for!!)
So, are aircrew happier with their lot, or are they all talk and no action? (I realise there were no slots for pilots to apply for!!)
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Biggus,
We are not no talk and no action. I guess the reason why so few aircrew applied for redundancy was because the target band was so narrow. Had the target field been across all age groups then the flodd gates would have truly opened!
Regards
We are not no talk and no action. I guess the reason why so few aircrew applied for redundancy was because the target band was so narrow. Had the target field been across all age groups then the flodd gates would have truly opened!
Regards
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If there were any redundancies going for GD(P) in any tranche then I reckon I could name a dozen chaps who'd volunteer. The reason there were only 13/64 apps from GD(WSO) appears obvious to me...
Where else could you get a job that pays as much with your 16+ years experience as Navigator?
I certainly wouldn't leave if I was a Senior Officer WSO with a family to support and nowhere else to go.
Where else could you get a job that pays as much with your 16+ years experience as Navigator?
I certainly wouldn't leave if I was a Senior Officer WSO with a family to support and nowhere else to go.
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Biggus and D-IFF
In fact the number of WSO applicants were over twice the initial quota. 6 were called for in Tranche 1. 13 applied, and the actual number who got it was 12. Obviously the increase has impacted on the numbers for Tranche 2.
Additionally, you don't need a job paying the same. Taking into account my pension I don't need to aim nearly so high to maintain the same standard of living.
In fact the number of WSO applicants were over twice the initial quota. 6 were called for in Tranche 1. 13 applied, and the actual number who got it was 12. Obviously the increase has impacted on the numbers for Tranche 2.
Additionally, you don't need a job paying the same. Taking into account my pension I don't need to aim nearly so high to maintain the same standard of living.