can I re-join?
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can I re-join?
To cut a long story short, I was on 209 IOT, as a pilot, thought the RAF wasn't right for me and left. Very much regretting that decision now, does anyone know of the possibility of me re-joining, I'm 24 now so I'm thinking that the possibility of pilot is out?
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Suggest you ring the OASC casework office on 01400 266717 or 01400 266718. However, bear in mind the following when you speak to them:
VW is a personal decision that you will have been counselled about at each level of the command chain in OACTU and offered the opportunity to change your mind.
The RAF is downsizing and has probably more than enough applicants for pilot, with strong aptitude, and younger than 24 too!
Do your pilot aptitude scores mark you out as a "must have" low-risk option for the RAF?
Also look at it from their point of view and prepare your answers well to:
You were given your chance and you chose to release yourself from it.
What gaurantee has the RAF got that you won't VW again?
Glad to be of help.
VW is a personal decision that you will have been counselled about at each level of the command chain in OACTU and offered the opportunity to change your mind.
The RAF is downsizing and has probably more than enough applicants for pilot, with strong aptitude, and younger than 24 too!
Do your pilot aptitude scores mark you out as a "must have" low-risk option for the RAF?
Also look at it from their point of view and prepare your answers well to:
You were given your chance and you chose to release yourself from it.
What gaurantee has the RAF got that you won't VW again?
Glad to be of help.
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Excessive pressure from my girlfriend at the time, saying that it wasn't right etc etc.... put me in a difficult position. Still with same girlfriend but think it's about time I made the decisions.
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Girlfriends come and go, (harsh, but very true!)
Take note of foldingwings comments and go for it!. Never put anything off, because, at some point we cant always have or get choices to follow dreams.
If you dont try and re-apply you will never know.
Take note of foldingwings comments and go for it!. Never put anything off, because, at some point we cant always have or get choices to follow dreams.
If you dont try and re-apply you will never know.
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J,
There is a Merlin pilot who left the RAF (early on at Linton) and who rejoined 12 months later. However, they had of course finished IOT and proved (a little) their flying ability at JEFTS.
Best of luck
There is a Merlin pilot who left the RAF (early on at Linton) and who rejoined 12 months later. However, they had of course finished IOT and proved (a little) their flying ability at JEFTS.
Best of luck
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Make sure you chin the bird off first. Hassle like that you do not need. If she doesn't understand your need to be in this job, it'll only get worse in the long run. Be a man, and stand up for what YOU want.
Best of luck!
16B
Best of luck!
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Concur with 16B, if she wasn't thrilled with the idea of you flying in the military, how do you think she'll react when you are off on detachment/deployment or training for any length of time? Unless you are sure she has changed her ways, you are in for some rough times ahead...
Cheers! M2
Cheers! M2
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Sorry to clip your wings old chap but you carry a common misconception, like many others do - particularly UAS student officers. You were not on IOT as a pilot. You were on IOT as either an officer cadet or student officer. On successfull completion of IOT you then become a u/t pilot (u/t = under training) until you are presented with your flying brevet THEN you are a pilot.
A plea to all 'aspiring' pilots, remember this when you undergo the Officer and Aircrew Cadet Training course and then professional training:
Please refer to yourselves as 'aspiring pilots' (or similar ilk) and not just 'pilots'. A great many people have worked damn hard to achieve the ultimate ambition of achieving a flying brevet which is a long way off for those that are still under training.
Rant over
M7 SENDS
P.S. For those of you that wish to be clever and point out that some 'are' pilots when they start OACTU because, technically, they may have achieved their ppl (through the WoS UAS drinking course) It doesn't count - IT DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE AN RAF PILOT!
Thought to self - wow, I really must get out the office more!
To cut a long story short, I was on 209 IOT, as a pilot
A plea to all 'aspiring' pilots, remember this when you undergo the Officer and Aircrew Cadet Training course and then professional training:
Please refer to yourselves as 'aspiring pilots' (or similar ilk) and not just 'pilots'. A great many people have worked damn hard to achieve the ultimate ambition of achieving a flying brevet which is a long way off for those that are still under training.
Rant over
M7 SENDS
P.S. For those of you that wish to be clever and point out that some 'are' pilots when they start OACTU because, technically, they may have achieved their ppl (through the WoS UAS drinking course) It doesn't count - IT DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE AN RAF PILOT!
Thought to self - wow, I really must get out the office more!
Champagne anyone...?
I'm a bus driver.
I'm not touchy.
Oh hang on.
Does that me touchy? For saying I'm not touchy?
Damn.
MC7. Blimey. Who cares what they call themselves??
I'm not touchy.
Oh hang on.
Does that me touchy? For saying I'm not touchy?
Damn.
MC7. Blimey. Who cares what they call themselves??
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I am not a pilot.
I doubt whether you would get offered another chance as a pilot, but don't let my doubts dissuade you from trying. The OASC will want to know all of the answers suggested earlier, and also what you have been doing in the mean time.
I think it likely that your age will be an issue, along with your previous actions. I suspect that if you are offered anything, it will be on the ground, with some vague promise that once you have proved yourself (shown due remorse!), you may be offered something airborne - by which time you will definitely be too old to go pilot training!
The easy option for OASC would be to offer you Ops Spt (FC), with a line that a subsequent move to the E-3D will give you the opportunity to fly. BEWARE; OASC has no say in who goes on the E-3D, and it looks to me like many of these slots will go to re-trained WSOs over the next few years.
Whatever happens, make sure that you do not allow ANY external influence (short of a death in the family) to impact on your training, either at Cranwell or subsequently ... but I guess you know that now!
BA
PS. Deliverance, I thought we all joined as Commissioned Officers, some of whom were given the enormous additional privilege of pilot training. Your attitude disappoints.
I am not a pilot.
I doubt whether you would get offered another chance as a pilot, but don't let my doubts dissuade you from trying. The OASC will want to know all of the answers suggested earlier, and also what you have been doing in the mean time.
I think it likely that your age will be an issue, along with your previous actions. I suspect that if you are offered anything, it will be on the ground, with some vague promise that once you have proved yourself (shown due remorse!), you may be offered something airborne - by which time you will definitely be too old to go pilot training!
The easy option for OASC would be to offer you Ops Spt (FC), with a line that a subsequent move to the E-3D will give you the opportunity to fly. BEWARE; OASC has no say in who goes on the E-3D, and it looks to me like many of these slots will go to re-trained WSOs over the next few years.
Whatever happens, make sure that you do not allow ANY external influence (short of a death in the family) to impact on your training, either at Cranwell or subsequently ... but I guess you know that now!
BA
PS. Deliverance, I thought we all joined as Commissioned Officers, some of whom were given the enormous additional privilege of pilot training. Your attitude disappoints.
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M7
No it wouldn't make you unqualified to have a point of view. However it would explain why you are so bothered by this whole thing.
Ask yourself if you are indeed Mighty as advertised and not simply an officer who is training to be Mighty and not yet received your Mighty brevet!
TF
No it wouldn't make you unqualified to have a point of view. However it would explain why you are so bothered by this whole thing.
Ask yourself if you are indeed Mighty as advertised and not simply an officer who is training to be Mighty and not yet received your Mighty brevet!
TF
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get back in to one of the three services to fly, in some form, at any cost. This might be as pilot, nav,wso, loadie, AEO, whatever.
I am sat here tonight, having just dipped a promotion process in an organisation I am more than unhappy with, with limited options. How I WISH, I had perservered.
Don't be sat here in twelve year time.
Ditch the broad. Go with you
I am sat here tonight, having just dipped a promotion process in an organisation I am more than unhappy with, with limited options. How I WISH, I had perservered.
Don't be sat here in twelve year time.
Ditch the broad. Go with you
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MC7: You seem to be a well balanced chap(ette) with a chip on BOTH shoulders there!
I joined IOT in '96 "as a pilot". I think anyone with half a brain cell understands that no-one, until their wings are confirmed when you're CR on your 1st unit considers themselves fully "a pilot". If, as I stated in my OASC interview, I didn't crack it, I wouldn't be interested.
Wind it in mate.
JRM: Methinks you'll have to have a good reason for your VW. Far better that your bird was giving you a hard time. Try your first tour. You'll get to p1$$ them off good and proper. My wife was a single mother for all but 3-4 months of the year.
The RAF is flush for pukes at the moment due the cutbacks. You'll have to show 110% commitment to convince them you made the wrong descision.
Sorry mate, but times is 'ard at the moment for all of us.
I joined IOT in '96 "as a pilot". I think anyone with half a brain cell understands that no-one, until their wings are confirmed when you're CR on your 1st unit considers themselves fully "a pilot". If, as I stated in my OASC interview, I didn't crack it, I wouldn't be interested.
Wind it in mate.
JRM: Methinks you'll have to have a good reason for your VW. Far better that your bird was giving you a hard time. Try your first tour. You'll get to p1$$ them off good and proper. My wife was a single mother for all but 3-4 months of the year.
The RAF is flush for pukes at the moment due the cutbacks. You'll have to show 110% commitment to convince them you made the wrong descision.
Sorry mate, but times is 'ard at the moment for all of us.
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Mightycrewseven, to be honest you comments are completely irrelevant, I am completely aware that I didnt achieve the prestigious honour of wearing my wings, but my flippant comment was meant as a mere simple and straight to the point introduction to my thread. Now it seems t me that you have some outrageous hang up people calling themselves pilots when they are not, frankly I dont care. All I was looking for was a little advice off some willing fellow ppruners, I didnt think I would get a barrage of unhelpful pi$$ because I didnt phrase my post in exactly the right manner. Havent you got anything else better to do? Rhetorical question......... By the way Mightycrewseven, that means you dont have to reply this time!
Thanks to all the uselful advice out there guys, i've got back in touch with OASC and they pointed me in the direction of my local AFCO, spoke to them and no probs to try again and I'm in the lovely OASC selection process again, a bit of Deja vu , so fingers crossed.
Thanks to all the uselful advice out there guys, i've got back in touch with OASC and they pointed me in the direction of my local AFCO, spoke to them and no probs to try again and I'm in the lovely OASC selection process again, a bit of Deja vu , so fingers crossed.