UAS 's to close (Merged)
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And so asking for even more ill-informed bollox and guesswork from people who actually have no idea what is going to happen but have heard something on good authority from the girl-friend of the milkman whose sister works in the Officers' Mess at Innsworth is going to tell you what you are coming back to?????
Yeah right!
Yeah right!
Well, the latest rumour I hear is 30 hours.......
Spread over 3 years.
Which they think will equate to a NPPL with SSEA Rating.
Which it clearly won't. That wouldn't even come close to meeting the NPPL syllabus requirements and it is highly doubtful whether any of the theoretical knowledge could be credited. And I say that as the person who wrote the current NPPL military accreditation which was based upon 'traditional' UAS instructional practice. If that changes, then so will the level of accreditation.
But perhaps The Doc will grab whichever pratt thought up such a stupid idea by his apologies for testicles and tell him not to try to fix what ain't actually broken.
Spread over 3 years.
Which they think will equate to a NPPL with SSEA Rating.
Which it clearly won't. That wouldn't even come close to meeting the NPPL syllabus requirements and it is highly doubtful whether any of the theoretical knowledge could be credited. And I say that as the person who wrote the current NPPL military accreditation which was based upon 'traditional' UAS instructional practice. If that changes, then so will the level of accreditation.
But perhaps The Doc will grab whichever pratt thought up such a stupid idea by his apologies for testicles and tell him not to try to fix what ain't actually broken.
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An introduction for students to the military with a bias towards the air environment will be, in my view, continue to be of benefit.
'Twas all part of Trenchard's great plan to make the whole country "air minded", and to emphasise the independant air force.
Cranwell (real Cranwell as in Flight Cadets) was for officers, Halton for apprentices. The UAS (first was OUAS in 1923) was not meant as a recruiting or training tool, but to show the future "great and the good" (doctors, lawyers, teachers and "captains of industry") something of this new RAF. And of course the idea was copied (and is still used in its original philosophy) by the Cinderella Service's two Ugly Sisters.
Flight Cadets and Apprentices are a thing of the past, so why should they keep the UASs ....
I refer you once again to the words of the Rev Martin Niemoller .....
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The UAS (first was OUAS in 1923)
The trouble is, while all this is eminently a crying shame, you have to admit it makes sense if you're going to rely on EFT for streaming to not try and do it at the same time as a University course ... and by 'course' I mean something other than 'Underwater Basket Weaving with Macrame Studies'. Speaking as someone who's about to complete EFT and is doing a demanding degree, streaming is big-time stress.
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Anyone know what the deal would be with going away for the summer when a student on a UAS?
I know summer camp is compulsary but i was thinking about doing Camp America next summer. UAS would take the priority over anything else though.
I know summer camp is compulsary but i was thinking about doing Camp America next summer. UAS would take the priority over anything else though.
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Ullevi,
Ask your Boss. I'd let you go to Camp America provided that you realised that you would (probably) have to forfeit your bounty. You may even be able to make up your continuous training when you came back from the US. If you dont ask....
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Ask your Boss. I'd let you go to Camp America provided that you realised that you would (probably) have to forfeit your bounty. You may even be able to make up your continuous training when you came back from the US. If you dont ask....
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For something affecting several hundred students out there, it's all gone a little quiet.
Does everyone 'in the know' already know, or are we all (sensibly) waiting to hear the official pronouncement?
Any informed advice appreciated.
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Does everyone 'in the know' already know, or are we all (sensibly) waiting to hear the official pronouncement?
Any informed advice appreciated.
My name probably gives the game away.
PM if you prefer.
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Studefather wrote:
Can anyone confirm anything - or am I just speculating and spreading rumours? 
Understand that from Sept UAS flying will be AEF only and the EFT course will be terminated.
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The latest over the weekend from my squadron xxI was that by July all QFI's would be restreamed onto real a/c and back into real jobs.
Bosses will be given ground duties and all flying will be done by AEF pilots with UAS studes as "Jollies", non instructional and unstructured flying.
There will be little or no solo flying, if there is it will be circuit bashing and nav stuff only, see you later GH solo!
30 hours per year for every UAS stude, pilot or doctor and everything in between.
There will be 3 DE training bases, Cranwell, Witton and another??
If you finish EFT this summer then you don't have to do it again, if not you will.
This whole shake up will save 2 Million in QFI salaries (apparently).
What about all the APOS doing EFT who used to be Off. Cdts??? £20+K p/a as opposed to £1500 p/a.
Its all on Reid's desk, just waiting for the signiture.
Bosses will be given ground duties and all flying will be done by AEF pilots with UAS studes as "Jollies", non instructional and unstructured flying.
There will be little or no solo flying, if there is it will be circuit bashing and nav stuff only, see you later GH solo!
30 hours per year for every UAS stude, pilot or doctor and everything in between.
There will be 3 DE training bases, Cranwell, Witton and another??
If you finish EFT this summer then you don't have to do it again, if not you will.
This whole shake up will save 2 Million in QFI salaries (apparently).
What about all the APOS doing EFT who used to be Off. Cdts??? £20+K p/a as opposed to £1500 p/a.
Its all on Reid's desk, just waiting for the signiture.
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30 hours per year for every UAS stude, pilot or doctor and everything in between.
What about all the APOS doing EFT who used to be Off. Cdts??? £20+K p/a as opposed to £1500 p/a.
I think I'm going to have to start ignoring this thread for a while...
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Well what I heard was that it is 30 hours per week and it is all solo. If you can’t manage 30 hours per week you will be chopped. There will be no QFIs on the outfit because you are only going to be allowed to fly solo and no duals will be permitted. After you’ve done 30 hours per week for 6 weeks you have to start to teach the air cadets to fly because all of the AEFs will be staffed by ground branch personnel who can only take photographs of aircraft and are not allowed to fly them. UAS bosses will be Royal Navy personnel so that they can lead adventure training courses at sea and they will have an SAS 2i/c to run the escape and evasion phase of the UAS course, to train students in the art of avoiding being caught doing anything productive between all the solo flights. All EFT will be done at Middle Wallop on gliders to save money on fuel. The instructors at Middle Wallop will be a mix of PPLs gaining hours and Rock Apes who have had 3 gash trips in the back seat of a Jaguar when they were the station Rock. The next stage after EFT will be done in Sarajevo to start to get people used to being shot at at an early stage in their training. Once you have received at least 2 bullets in the aircraft while airborne during training, you will automatically become Chief of the Air Staff and be trained to remove as much operational capability from the RAF as is humanly possible in your 3 year tenure. If you succeed in reducing the capability by at least 15% in your time in office you will qualify to be put in the hat with the leaders of the other 2 (3) services to be selected as the Secretary of State for Defence.
Well --- this makes about as much sense as the rest of the bollox guesswork in this thread so it could equally be true!!!
Well --- this makes about as much sense as the rest of the bollox guesswork in this thread so it could equally be true!!!
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Ah - to be on the outside looking in, eh Wholi? Somewhat akin to peering through a small slot into a shoebox full of mad frogs.
...except the latest review recommended reducing the number of frogs in the box by 20%.....
...yes, I HAVE finally lost it...
16B
...except the latest review recommended reducing the number of frogs in the box by 20%.....
...yes, I HAVE finally lost it...
16B
30 hours spread over 3 years.
Some of it will be 'Air Experience'
Rumours of using non-QFIs and the old buggers of the AEFs for some of it.
All utter nonsense; 'They' think it will give the poor unfortunates a NPPL with SSEA Rating. Which it won't - the current NPPL accreditation is based upon a known level of flight instruction and theoretical knowledge. If that is dumbed down as seemingly planned, a parallel downward reassessment will be required.
Don't join the UAS - there'll be no point. Join the OTC instead, then apply to the RAF in the spring of your 3rd year - if the airlines haven't tempted you first! Which, going by the industry indications, is increasingly likely.
More seriously, I heard an opinion from someone very close to the action that "The outcome of the report had been decided before the report had even been started".....
I hope that The Doc throws this load of utter rubbish out - as well as the idiot who thought it up!
Some of it will be 'Air Experience'
Rumours of using non-QFIs and the old buggers of the AEFs for some of it.
All utter nonsense; 'They' think it will give the poor unfortunates a NPPL with SSEA Rating. Which it won't - the current NPPL accreditation is based upon a known level of flight instruction and theoretical knowledge. If that is dumbed down as seemingly planned, a parallel downward reassessment will be required.
Don't join the UAS - there'll be no point. Join the OTC instead, then apply to the RAF in the spring of your 3rd year - if the airlines haven't tempted you first! Which, going by the industry indications, is increasingly likely.
More seriously, I heard an opinion from someone very close to the action that "The outcome of the report had been decided before the report had even been started".....
I hope that The Doc throws this load of utter rubbish out - as well as the idiot who thought it up!
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What Beags? Stuff like this you mean?
Have just heard on the grapevine that due to financial constraints all flying activities on all UAS's are being recommended to cease. Apparently, two "SUPER" flying units would likely be formed- one at Wyton and the other likely to be at Leeming!!!
One big difference between the AEFs and VGSs that is often completely forgotten is that the AEFs have considerably more funded, full-time support.
Have heard another rumour that the tutor is apparently to easy to fly and enough people aren't getting chopped so they are going to do EFT on the tucano; like they did with the JP for a bit; as they have spare airframes.
If the UAS go, the AEFs will go too. The gliding schools will follow in due course. I can hear the accountants salivating already.
I hear a rumour that UAS students might be limited to 5 hours air experience flying only during their entire time at University...
A letter was issued the other day listing AEF'S and UAS's that are to remain open,
The latest over the weekend from my squadron xxI was that by July all QFI's would be restreamed onto real a/c and back into real jobs.
30 hours per year for every UAS stude,
One big difference between the AEFs and VGSs that is often completely forgotten is that the AEFs have considerably more funded, full-time support.
Have heard another rumour that the tutor is apparently to easy to fly and enough people aren't getting chopped so they are going to do EFT on the tucano; like they did with the JP for a bit; as they have spare airframes.
If the UAS go, the AEFs will go too. The gliding schools will follow in due course. I can hear the accountants salivating already.
I hear a rumour that UAS students might be limited to 5 hours air experience flying only during their entire time at University...
A letter was issued the other day listing AEF'S and UAS's that are to remain open,
The latest over the weekend from my squadron xxI was that by July all QFI's would be restreamed onto real a/c and back into real jobs.
30 hours per year for every UAS stude,
No - but other snippets more closely indicate the actual proposals.
Allegedly.
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Enjoy!
Allegedly.
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Enjoy!