raf becoming army!
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And I wonder why I went for redundancy. I'm afraid that my comment could be tacked on to just about any thread these days. I've given thirty odd years to the RAF, the spineless chimps who can't stand up for us have finally got to me and I quit.
I had a lot of respect for Brian Burridge, having served under him in various roles and having watched how he conducted himself in Qatar. But now, the crap that comes from STC or whatever Strike is known as these days is unbelievable. Its all in his name and having attended one of his lectures! he believes it too.
The RAF as exemplified by the days of the 40's through to the 70's has gone, done and dusted. I would expect everyone joining to have an eye on their next job.
Sorry for the rant, just finally had to say how p~ssed of I am and why I am leaving but knowing that no-one upstairs will take any notice.
I had a lot of respect for Brian Burridge, having served under him in various roles and having watched how he conducted himself in Qatar. But now, the crap that comes from STC or whatever Strike is known as these days is unbelievable. Its all in his name and having attended one of his lectures! he believes it too.
The RAF as exemplified by the days of the 40's through to the 70's has gone, done and dusted. I would expect everyone joining to have an eye on their next job.
Sorry for the rant, just finally had to say how p~ssed of I am and why I am leaving but knowing that no-one upstairs will take any notice.
Which is why my FIIQ-meter hit the red line in 2002 and I pulled the B&Y as soon as I could (with a bit of careful tactical calculation over such things as leave and tax years).
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Sorry for the rant, just finally had to say how p~ssed of I am and why I am leaving but knowing that no-one upstairs will take any notice.
I'm seeing out my current engagement (due out 2007) so at least I'll come out with something for the effort I've put in over the years rather than PVR now.
To be honest if it was financially viable for me to come out the RAF now I would, I've had enough and I'm definitely not the only one.
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A good Heading,
a little unfair to bunch all SATCOs together. I know of at least one SATCO who has forced the Sqn planners to take ATC into account in the planning of their flying programmes. He indeed stood up and said we can't do this safetly and more importantly was listened to and it was acted upon.
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I'm not the SATCO mentioned or one of his staff!
a little unfair to bunch all SATCOs together. I know of at least one SATCO who has forced the Sqn planners to take ATC into account in the planning of their flying programmes. He indeed stood up and said we can't do this safetly and more importantly was listened to and it was acted upon.
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I'm not the SATCO mentioned or one of his staff!
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SHAFTED!!!
Its all well and good saying the hierarchy should grow a set and stand up to the BO**OCKS that goes on, however who do they stand up to... the senior, senior officers just tell the ministers what they want to hear, Sqn Ldr So&So or Wg Cdr So& So will tell the truth and then be SH*T Canned for the rest of Eternity. Its the Government that need to wake up and see that there is massive overstretch in all branches and trades, officers and airmen alike. Yes people make do and "Rise to the Challenge" however if that puts a single life on the line whether he be a pilot or a gate guard then heads should roll at the highest level.
Rant over, Mr V.V. Overstretched
Rant over, Mr V.V. Overstretched
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Putting your life on the line is what the military is expected to do when ordered. Get over it. Thats why we get well paid. You dont get to choose the orders you like and the ones you dont. The choice we are lucky enough to have since we are not conscripts is the right to leave at any time. If you truly believed your life was at risk due to a stupid order you would leave. That suggests to me that you are just wingeing.
Putting your life on the line is what the military is expected to do when ordered. Get over it. Thats why we get well paid. You dont get to choose the orders you like and the ones you dont. The choice we are lucky enough to have since we are not conscripts is the right to leave at any time. If you truly believed your life was at risk due to a stupid order you would leave. That suggests to me that you are just wingeing.
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Quite Cross now!
Tourist, you seem to think I am some Chicken Sh*t that doesnt like military life and wants to whinge and moan all the time. I have been on many active service dets and did not whinge in the least as I am a member of a can-do/ get the job done organisation, with 5 * hotels etc. All I am saying is that if there is a policy of giving more money to berieved black lesbian groups because they shout louder to the civil service than to the military because we shut the fu*k up and get the job done then there is something seriously wrong.
In the Army if a deployed logistics base is being set up the RLC will send out fuels specialists, supply controllers, supply specialists, plant ops and many others whereas in the RAF many of those RLC tasks can be carried out by one Supplier, so thats all we send. As a Supplier I can work in many of the 'parts' that the RLC has but an equivalent RLC storeman can only do part of my trade.
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"I believe in Fairies!!"
SB Absolutely, I'm leaving soon, Too much devotion not enough top cover!! P.S. Anyone going CFS.. Career suicide despite what they say. Unless you are a flyer!
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Helpfull Stacker, quite right, however the point being made is that they also do guard duties and all sorts of niff naff and triv. I see TSW guys on a daily basis and know how hard they work.
The point is the Army has redundancy built into it because so many people are required to do the tasks that in the light blue world we have one person doing.
The Army have Plant Ops for driving forklifts - A Supplier can do this.
The Army have Supply Controllers to handle demands and issues - That same Supplier can also do that.
The Army has Pet Ops for issuing POL - There's that one Supplier on det again.
The Army has Supply Specialists for doing R&D duties - Guess what, that 1 Supplier can do that too.
So already you can see that for every 4 RLC storemen deployed to theatre we may have one RAF Supplier doing the same job for us. Of course many Suppliers (and other trades) also have LGV licences so that another bit of multi-trading by us whereas the Army would have one 'specialist' for that function.
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I see TSW guys on a daily basis and know how hard they work
I can assure you that although I am no longer on TSW I know from experience that when deployed away unlike the other lodger units at Stafford (2MT, 5001Sqn, MCSU) TSW very rarely fulfil a MOB function with all the 'luxuries' that go with it, showers, fresh cooked food, air conditioned tents etc. More often than not they are deployed in small dets very near the FEBA, operating FARP's with no 1st line security other than that they provide themselves. As I'm sure some of the SH crews will confirm, they wouldn't really want to stop the night at most of the delightful spots they pick up fuel from.
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Tourist you must have different T&Cs from the rest of us. You do NOT have the right to leave. You have the right to request to leave and you have a right to leave after a given period of time. For the old and bold it is 6 months. Played properly this really means just about immediately.
For the younger element it could be as much as 3 years with plenty of dirty and sticky jobs twixted pen and bowler.
For the younger element it could be as much as 3 years with plenty of dirty and sticky jobs twixted pen and bowler.
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Wrong......Operational elsewhere nothing to do with the RAF. We'll just have to disagree on manning levels for storemen.
I'm not quite sure how relevant that is. If you see them on a daily basis then I assume you are at Stafford which I'm sure you realise is not where the majority of TSW work is performed, hence their 'lodger' status.
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We'll just have to disagree on manning levels for storemen.
'Storemen' are civilians, Suppliers are service personnel. This is why 9 times out of 10 its a right git getting stuff out of Clothing Stores as its usually a 'storeman' running the place.
(Yes, I know, an obvious bite but hey ho).
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Stacker,
Your right fella, there is no way I would like to spend the night at G40, going back to BBK was always a pleasure!!
Sipovo would be nice though, no 2 can rule unlike the Army Barmy Metal Factory.
Your right fella, there is no way I would like to spend the night at G40, going back to BBK was always a pleasure!!
Sipovo would be nice though, no 2 can rule unlike the Army Barmy Metal Factory.
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BASRA AVING A LAUGH STATION
So wearing headress and having to stand in a position where, when fired upon you can retaliate with out having to shoot the sangar wall to create a hole. Sarcasm i know do apologise but come on is this all we really need to woory about. Yep police out there are anal two can's smells i know. Although i would admit in the sense of being the RAF and becoming Army, not even the really dumb pongo officers are dull enough to say you can only get in the bar if you have meal ticket, to only then be served beer with your beer card, yet never validate either when entering the mess. Must be for the force protection guys to understand eh. The only thing I found strange while being on det there was the amount of whinging about the Air assets and crews out there, seems strange as being an Air station, surely all trades establishments and smoking areas are actually only there to support such assets and crews. We all no we work better, when pissed and love to lie in bed til we have bed sores, alas some people like you say are just there for a career boost, whether that be dining with the right people or messing around the peole that really matter mainly those below them. So having said this on the subject of RAF becoming Army, give over having spent along time in service on Army establishments, and various dets, even there arne't as anal as the bandits running basra micro management at its finest......good show boys you really have done it again another nail in the coffin and the reputation thats not always the best even further down the swanny. Toodle pip no offence to anyone on this site you all know who aour threads are aimed at in the end the powers of the puppet masters. Any spelling is lack of schooling
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While the techies are guarding the gate we could get a few coppers and a couple of infantrymen with time on their hands to pop down the flight line and give a hand with the less technical bits such as refuelling, towing, marshalling and the like. Maybe some pilots could lend a hand with the more technical bits.
And pilots doing the more technical stuff!!! now I know you are having a laugh...
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Please tell me you don't think refuelling, marshalling and towing are technical!
Refueling:- Remove cap. Attach Hose. Fill. Repeat first two in Reverse.
Marshalling:- Stand still (usually in the wrong place re prevailing wind) Wave arms. (actual motion unimportant, the pilot is ignoring you so he can get it on the right spot.)
Towing:- Like formation flying except really slow and attached.
Refueling:- Remove cap. Attach Hose. Fill. Repeat first two in Reverse.
Marshalling:- Stand still (usually in the wrong place re prevailing wind) Wave arms. (actual motion unimportant, the pilot is ignoring you so he can get it on the right spot.)
Towing:- Like formation flying except really slow and attached.