Flying Pay!
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Bl@@dy great idea,
Get rid of flying pay full stop..............which is exactly what the PA spine is trying to do......just give PA to ALL AIRCREW and you not only do away with flying pay issues, that only seem to wind up those not in reciept...ie "blunties"
, but also remove the differentials between PA and non PA and enhances all aircrew pensions which can only be a good thing!
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
Get rid of flying pay full stop..............which is exactly what the PA spine is trying to do......just give PA to ALL AIRCREW and you not only do away with flying pay issues, that only seem to wind up those not in reciept...ie "blunties"
, but also remove the differentials between PA and non PA and enhances all aircrew pensions which can only be a good thing!all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
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It makes a big difference now actually, if you're on the new scheme. With a couple of holds you could be 3-4 years behind for the whole of your career, which works out about a years salary over a PC. It's all very well saying get rid of it, but you'll only get rid of the people that could earn very good money outside the RAF after university because they're capable and so they'll get poached by banks and such like. I know most people don't do it for the money but if you get to the stage that someone is offering you 2 times your potential salary 3 years from now when you first start and you know one salary's going to go up and the other isn't then you have to start seriously considering it. That's especially when you've only been to UAS and you've not seen the real RAF or how good the flying can be!
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If you don't get flying pay for that, well, that's hardly a shame. Soldiers and Officers getting shot in Baghdad, under far more threat than RAF (and Army/Navy) pilots get no extra 'danger/retention' pay despite high rates of pay available from civvi protection firms.
I joined to fly shiney toys and have fun for loadsa money. If I get shot at then so be it - I've had a great time. Thanks for all the beer tokens and detachments etc etc.
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I agree with getting rid, in total, of flying pay!
Lets finally have the 'retention pay' included, in full, onto our basic pay and therefore make the whole bl@@dy lot pensionable! As it's currently taxed but not pensioned! Tragic!
Currently flying a 'desk' after 14 continuous years of front line flying and looking forward for a bit of a break from the cockpit! However I still need to keep all drills, medical and the such in date to enable me to complete a short refresher course if the need arises either to return front line or to teach!!!!
Thats why the full flying pay is granted for the first three years of a desk job. The core skills are still considered to be there and just need 'honing' to enable a fast return to the front line.
Damn boring most of the time but need to give the toys to the younger boys sometimes! However the old tricks are still there.
And as to previous questions, yes I do it for the money and not for the conditions which are, quite frankly, c$%p.
Helmet on, crouch down, wait for flak!!!!!
Lets finally have the 'retention pay' included, in full, onto our basic pay and therefore make the whole bl@@dy lot pensionable! As it's currently taxed but not pensioned! Tragic!
Currently flying a 'desk' after 14 continuous years of front line flying and looking forward for a bit of a break from the cockpit! However I still need to keep all drills, medical and the such in date to enable me to complete a short refresher course if the need arises either to return front line or to teach!!!!
Thats why the full flying pay is granted for the first three years of a desk job. The core skills are still considered to be there and just need 'honing' to enable a fast return to the front line.
Damn boring most of the time but need to give the toys to the younger boys sometimes! However the old tricks are still there.
And as to previous questions, yes I do it for the money and not for the conditions which are, quite frankly, c$%p.
Helmet on, crouch down, wait for flak!!!!!
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(Sorry slightly off topic...)
InTGreen,
Lovely post, as an ex-C Flight/SARTU shift boss I agree entirely. I remember driving home feeling really satisfied after any shift that included at least one successful rescue.
InTGreen,
Lovely post, as an ex-C Flight/SARTU shift boss I agree entirely. I remember driving home feeling really satisfied after any shift that included at least one successful rescue.
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Rotary pongo..
Almost a fair point but
True, however RAF (and Army/Navy) aircrew are at considerably more risk than most of their groundcrew counterparts.
Almost a fair point but
Soldiers and Officers getting shot in Baghdad, under far more threat than RAF (and Army/Navy) pilots get no extra 'danger/retention' pay despite high rates of pay available from civvi protection firms.
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Spugford,
..............those (flying pay etc) are the terms and conditions of service. If people don't like it then tough. Don't whinge just because they don't get flying pay - the application forms for aircrew are available to all.
I'd quite happily give a 'flying pay' type addition to most blunties - but I'd have to insist that we took one out and shot them every month or so so that 50% were dead after 18 years - that's how many of my initial FTS course are dead.
And it's aircrew who are accused of having chips on shoulders!!!!!
..............those (flying pay etc) are the terms and conditions of service. If people don't like it then tough. Don't whinge just because they don't get flying pay - the application forms for aircrew are available to all.
I'd quite happily give a 'flying pay' type addition to most blunties - but I'd have to insist that we took one out and shot them every month or so so that 50% were dead after 18 years - that's how many of my initial FTS course are dead.
And it's aircrew who are accused of having chips on shoulders!!!!!
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I agree with you
Flying pay is "additional" pay which is taxed but not pensionable, Very unfair!
I decided to to use my "additional" pay to buy premium bonds rather than go for PVC's towards my pension (17%) I maintained maximum holdings over the last 15 years and am now lucky to be pulling in about £300 a month in prizes, tax free, (18% ish) whilst the capital is still in place, protected from that greedy bastard Gordon Brown!
Love many, Trust a few, Always paddle you own canoe!
I agree with you
Flying pay is "additional" pay which is taxed but not pensionable, Very unfair!
I decided to to use my "additional" pay to buy premium bonds rather than go for PVC's towards my pension (17%) I maintained maximum holdings over the last 15 years and am now lucky to be pulling in about £300 a month in prizes, tax free, (18% ish) whilst the capital is still in place, protected from that greedy bastard Gordon Brown!
Love many, Trust a few, Always paddle you own canoe!
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I know,
lets all join an organisation, accept certain terms and conditions and then whinge cos you find out that someone else earns more. THATS LIFE!!
In civvy street you can end up with an assistant manager earning more than a manager - simple point is that you are paid what they can get away with and not what you are worth. In most companies it is a sackable offence to discuss wages with others.
If you don't like it then don't whinge - do something - leave and vote with your feet. In the meantime, stop whingeing and let those of us that still enjoy life get on with it in peace -
Not Air Rank - PAS Flt Lt by the way!
lets all join an organisation, accept certain terms and conditions and then whinge cos you find out that someone else earns more. THATS LIFE!!
In civvy street you can end up with an assistant manager earning more than a manager - simple point is that you are paid what they can get away with and not what you are worth. In most companies it is a sackable offence to discuss wages with others.
If you don't like it then don't whinge - do something - leave and vote with your feet. In the meantime, stop whingeing and let those of us that still enjoy life get on with it in peace -
Not Air Rank - PAS Flt Lt by the way!
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You call £35 a day.....effing loads? Well, maybe you're right.........
Better still, let's pay the other branches a salary representative of that which they would earn outside. Then, pass on all the savings to the aircrew - brilliant! Maybe then, I'd only get £30k a year less than my civilian counterpart.
You call £35 a day.....effing loads? Well, maybe you're right.........
Better still, let's pay the other branches a salary representative of that which they would earn outside. Then, pass on all the savings to the aircrew - brilliant! Maybe then, I'd only get £30k a year less than my civilian counterpart.