Piers Morgan fired
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One can understand the concern shown by many on this thread that the ICRC report should receive the right response from the politicians and military. However, I cannot agree with Jacko's idea that it is necesssary for Western journalists to embark on their own campaign for recognition of the issue when it endangers the lives of many British servicemen and women as well as civilians not only in Iraq but also in other muslim countries.
Our society may not be as decent as it was nor our politicians as honest as they used to be, however, there is a democratic process to explore before sensational publication. Why not try writing to one's MP before playing into the hands of the fanatics in Iraq? There should have been much lobbying and discreet pressure before publication.
If our journos think that they are the only people capable of righting the wrongs of this sorry conflict they must have delusions of grandeur. In this case I believe the only objective was to sell more newspapers.
Our society may not be as decent as it was nor our politicians as honest as they used to be, however, there is a democratic process to explore before sensational publication. Why not try writing to one's MP before playing into the hands of the fanatics in Iraq? There should have been much lobbying and discreet pressure before publication.
If our journos think that they are the only people capable of righting the wrongs of this sorry conflict they must have delusions of grandeur. In this case I believe the only objective was to sell more newspapers.
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Toothpaste should have never have been let out in the first paste. 
Is the IRCR another example of "Amateurish reporting" or maybe PM is being used as a scapegoat to deflect the true fact.
You mentioned all of those places that have a delicate western culture but you missed out the big one SA
Bas
Sorry for attempting to edit your comment it was a slip of the mouse (yet another H and B jerry fake)
No you will not go and lop off the next person's head because the society that you were brought up in have different values! Is that not the difference
soddim
So what was the political objectives then? Lord only knows what has happened in G Bay
Is the IRCR another example of "Amateurish reporting" or maybe PM is being used as a scapegoat to deflect the true fact.
You mentioned all of those places that have a delicate western culture but you missed out the big one SA
Bas
Sorry for attempting to edit your comment it was a slip of the mouse (yet another H and B jerry fake)
No you will not go and lop off the next person's head because the society that you were brought up in have different values! Is that not the difference
soddim
So what was the political objectives then? Lord only knows what has happened in G Bay
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Its so depressing that there are so many organisations that hasten to support those of questionable background at the expense of the innocent.
Time after time some so called organisation manages to promote headlines by criticising those attempting to deal with those whose aims are the destruction of civilised society.
I guess that those in Iraqi jails are not your ordinary person so I for one am not too worried if their 'human rights' are not quite strictly by the book.
What seems to be forgotten is that the poor unfortunates killed and maimed by these various terrorist outfits also have (or had) Human Rights - i.e. the right to life.
This places the person who has taken that right away in contravention of the Human Rights Act, surely?
Where are these Organisations then? Where were they when Saddam was in power, or the Tailban ? What inspections of the jails did they carry out then?
Arrogant arseh*les like Piers Moron and others of his ilk have done enormous damage to this country, and others, by the poisonous crap that they write which is generally neither accurate or true and is generally published only for the benefit of increasing their sales and profit.
They sit back with their leftist assertions of 'press freedom' and such with absolutely no concept of the difference between responsible and irresponsible reporting. Anything will do and lets not let the facts get in the way of a good story boys.
Two points :- Firstly many people, much better than the average journalist have given their lives to ensure that these morons can print the sort of crap that they do, and secondly if these journalists really want to report something why don't they have a crack at the Countries and religious groupings who promote such attrocities.
Also maybe they should start reporting some of the things that Saddam and his family did to the ordinary Iraqis?..or maybe that is against their leftist and anti-UK/American tendency ?
Rant off - sorry
Time after time some so called organisation manages to promote headlines by criticising those attempting to deal with those whose aims are the destruction of civilised society.
I guess that those in Iraqi jails are not your ordinary person so I for one am not too worried if their 'human rights' are not quite strictly by the book.
What seems to be forgotten is that the poor unfortunates killed and maimed by these various terrorist outfits also have (or had) Human Rights - i.e. the right to life.
This places the person who has taken that right away in contravention of the Human Rights Act, surely?
Where are these Organisations then? Where were they when Saddam was in power, or the Tailban ? What inspections of the jails did they carry out then?
Arrogant arseh*les like Piers Moron and others of his ilk have done enormous damage to this country, and others, by the poisonous crap that they write which is generally neither accurate or true and is generally published only for the benefit of increasing their sales and profit.
They sit back with their leftist assertions of 'press freedom' and such with absolutely no concept of the difference between responsible and irresponsible reporting. Anything will do and lets not let the facts get in the way of a good story boys.
Two points :- Firstly many people, much better than the average journalist have given their lives to ensure that these morons can print the sort of crap that they do, and secondly if these journalists really want to report something why don't they have a crack at the Countries and religious groupings who promote such attrocities.
Also maybe they should start reporting some of the things that Saddam and his family did to the ordinary Iraqis?..or maybe that is against their leftist and anti-UK/American tendency ?
Rant off - sorry
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'Is the war still on?'
Well, given the coordinated mortar, rocket and RPG attacks on MND(SE) bases including Basra Airport and Al Amarah, the private armies marching out to fight, the VBIEDs, the small arms fire, the anti aircraft fire and the rest - I'd say yes.
British Forces treat captives with a respect and humanity that they know they would not receive if the tables were turned. That takes some discipline; clearly more than many US personnel are capable of.
And - interrogation techniques including psychological coercion? You'd get psychological coercion in a police interview back home!
'Is the war still on?'
Well, given the coordinated mortar, rocket and RPG attacks on MND(SE) bases including Basra Airport and Al Amarah, the private armies marching out to fight, the VBIEDs, the small arms fire, the anti aircraft fire and the rest - I'd say yes.
British Forces treat captives with a respect and humanity that they know they would not receive if the tables were turned. That takes some discipline; clearly more than many US personnel are capable of.
And - interrogation techniques including psychological coercion? You'd get psychological coercion in a police interview back home!
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There is no doubt that Morgan's lies have contributed to the instability in the region and the now obsessive regurgitation of photos of the same incidents in the media betrays the irresponsibility and cynicism of the reporting involved.
That such incidents occurred is bad enough without the repeated self flagellation that our so called reporters indulge in on our behalf. We just watched that pr!ck on Sky satellite out here inflaming the situation with his hack reporting and pathetic need for attention to his 15 minutes of fame. What a load of bollox !
By the way, I did allude to KSA in my previous post. Having "worked" in Sharurah (If the world had piles, that's where they would be
), Riyadh, Al Jubayl and Kashm Al Aan I know that the reporting in the West is likely to inflame the inadequate Islamist fanatics in the Land of Sand into randomly pointing Kalashnikovs at Westerners and pulling hard on the trigger to satisfy their perception of eye for an eye. One German down in Riyadh so far on that premise 
There is no doubt that Morgan's lies have contributed to the instability in the region and the now obsessive regurgitation of photos of the same incidents in the media betrays the irresponsibility and cynicism of the reporting involved.
That such incidents occurred is bad enough without the repeated self flagellation that our so called reporters indulge in on our behalf. We just watched that pr!ck on Sky satellite out here inflaming the situation with his hack reporting and pathetic need for attention to his 15 minutes of fame. What a load of bollox !
By the way, I did allude to KSA in my previous post. Having "worked" in Sharurah (If the world had piles, that's where they would be
), Riyadh, Al Jubayl and Kashm Al Aan I know that the reporting in the West is likely to inflame the inadequate Islamist fanatics in the Land of Sand into randomly pointing Kalashnikovs at Westerners and pulling hard on the trigger to satisfy their perception of eye for an eye. One German down in Riyadh so far on that premise
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I hold no brief for Mr Morgan but the "spin" that the current government utilise on any adverse (from their point of view) story would doubtless have played a part in his decision to publish.
If he had referred the pictures to MOD then Cpl Plod would have carried out an investigation and found the pictures were fake. In the time that such an investigation was being carried out the "newsworthy" aspect of the pictures would have diminished and a rival news organisation may have beaten the ragsheet to the story.
We must never forget that HMG do not have a good track record on this sort of story. In (I think) 1942 the Polish Government in Exile published a detailed report on what was happening in Concentration Camps in Poland and the systematic murder of the Jews. That report was rejected by the UK and US Governments.
If he had referred the pictures to MOD then Cpl Plod would have carried out an investigation and found the pictures were fake. In the time that such an investigation was being carried out the "newsworthy" aspect of the pictures would have diminished and a rival news organisation may have beaten the ragsheet to the story.
We must never forget that HMG do not have a good track record on this sort of story. In (I think) 1942 the Polish Government in Exile published a detailed report on what was happening in Concentration Camps in Poland and the systematic murder of the Jews. That report was rejected by the UK and US Governments.
Just a numbered other
If he had referred the pictures to MOD then Cpl Plod would have carried out an investigation and found the pictures were fake
the "newsworthy" aspect of the pictures would have diminished and a rival news organisation may have beaten the ragsheet to the story.
Morgan must have known that these pictures were not genuine, What his motives were for publishing would be most interesting to discover.
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Soddim
Reread my comment and understand that they may appear cryptic let me allude.
Political objectives:
Why did the GWB go there in the first place maybe to demonstrate world political power or was it to depose a despot Hopefully Zimbabwe Iran or North Korea is on his list oops sorry just remembered they do not have oil
G Bay:
Simple if the abuse in Iraq has gone on unabated what has happened in Cuba?
Next one
Pilgrim101
Has he lied or did (what was) his paper open our eyes to the truth If he lied I thank him for being a liar. If not I still thank him and the Mirror for opening the can of worms
Fg Off Max Stout
Is the war still on
No it is not but what is happening is a
occupying force is trying to maintain stability in a region that does not have the same social-political structure as at home What more can I say.
Except today I watched a cow having its throat cut but here that is a part of society which I have to respect. Simple really if you are willing to accept
Soddim
Reread my comment and understand that they may appear cryptic let me allude.
Political objectives:
Why did the GWB go there in the first place maybe to demonstrate world political power or was it to depose a despot Hopefully Zimbabwe Iran or North Korea is on his list oops sorry just remembered they do not have oil
G Bay:
Simple if the abuse in Iraq has gone on unabated what has happened in Cuba?
Next one
Pilgrim101
Has he lied or did (what was) his paper open our eyes to the truth If he lied I thank him for being a liar. If not I still thank him and the Mirror for opening the can of worms
Fg Off Max Stout
Is the war still on
No it is not but what is happening is a
occupying force is trying to maintain stability in a region that does not have the same social-political structure as at home What more can I say.
Except today I watched a cow having its throat cut but here that is a part of society which I have to respect. Simple really if you are willing to accept
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So its OK to fabricate evidence as long as the newspaper believes there is wrongdoing ?
Newspapers are now the last bastion of truth and honour in the West ? We're all doomed, doomed I tell you
So its OK to fabricate evidence as long as the newspaper believes there is wrongdoing ?
Newspapers are now the last bastion of truth and honour in the West ? We're all doomed, doomed I tell you
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You can get as cryptic as you like but the point of this thread was the way Piers Morgan behaved - nothing whatsoever to do with political objectives or the rights and wrongs of the war over Iraq.
There have been many other threads on that subject if you wish to find one and add to it.
If you wish to defend Piers Morgan and the rest of the media who seem hell bent on further endangering western lives in the ME please come up with something more relevant.
You can get as cryptic as you like but the point of this thread was the way Piers Morgan behaved - nothing whatsoever to do with political objectives or the rights and wrongs of the war over Iraq.
There have been many other threads on that subject if you wish to find one and add to it.
If you wish to defend Piers Morgan and the rest of the media who seem hell bent on further endangering western lives in the ME please come up with something more relevant.
