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3% increment and....

.....nothing.

Strikes me as a little mean. Profits are down but the cost of living in Dubai isn't. In real terms this is very much a pay cut.

To be accurate, you will receive 3% if you are not already at the top of the scale. If you have reached the top there is no increase.

Does anyone know where the scale is printed, or could anyone say what the top is? I can't seem to find it anywhere.

Not sure where it's printed but step 30 is the top.

Drop the pay scale was posted last year in the EK private forum a search there may turn it up. If you cant find it PM me as I may still have a copy.
Perhaps its time to get rid of the rotating bid groups and go to date of joining for rosters/leave etc. Its seems the fellas that have been here the longest are being ripped off money wise by the company, so perhaps its time to give them quality of life?

The Don

don- how are the longer term guys being ripped off? Every company has and end to their 'scale' so I don't see how EK should be different. I'm not trying to be difficult, just realistic. What should be happening is that those scales increase with inflation---in that regard the senior guys are losing!

Pay scale is back in EK forum if anyone wants to take a look.

Trader when was the last time a new step was added to the pay scale? Doesn't seem very fair that we get 3% and they get nothing.

The don

Am I missing the bleeding obvious but is this 3% going to be added to the next step? Or is a case of wait for the CA letter?
Comprehension never was my strong suit.

You are now crying FAIR? How long have you worked at EK. You should know they are rarely fair, witnes the Bonus this year.

A few years more than you AC. Bonus smoanus, they set a target just above the moon and you are surprised we don't get a bonus?
Falcon add 3% to your basic and thats the next step. Use to be a automatic thing getting the step. Now it seems TCAS think otherwise it would appear. To be clear, there is no pay rise, just the step.

The Don

It would seem since the 777 pilots are flying so much making up for down time for the 380 the Boeing pilots should get about 4 weeks bonus from the Airbus pilots.
The 380 guys are flying 4-8 days a month and we are busting our arse at 95 hours and the Boeing pilots dont get anything for it. Before all you limp d%&ks say anything you can shove that 60 dhs flt pay where the sun don't shine.
Talk about unfair Don. Never mind we are dealing with Arab mentally.

90+ hrs long haul is easier than 65hrs in the 330. At least you get to spend some 5hrs plus in the bunk! Try 3 TRV, HYD and MAA in a row at 2am.

Boo Hoo Swan Man :{ cry me a river....

"I'm working hard wah wah wah" :ugh:

And all the other world airlines are giving how much pay increase to their pilots?
:rolleyes:
Those that are still in business that is..

The response from the EK pilot group does not surprise me in the slightest. No wonder we are in the position we are in.
Other airlines do not have slave labor and most pilots do not live in a city with inflation. How far are we behind from last year and the airline MADE $630 MILLION!
The yield on that is somewhere near 3.7%. That is huge and the biggest reason for that is the very high hourly utiliziation of the Boeing pilots.
65 hours for the main Airbus fleet? 4-8 days working for the crack pilots? Limp Rider is just happy to have a job though. Give him a 40% pay cut and he still makes more at EK than he did at his last !!!!e airline.

Calm down Swan man. That's 4 to 8 days work each and every month the 380 dudes are doing. It all adds up after a while.
Its good those Boeing chaps are helping them out. :ok:

the Don

And I recall a few years ago that the 340 guys were doing the massive hours and the John Deere types were sitting on their backsides. Swings and roundabouts and all that... Grow up and stop sobbing:rolleyes:

Swanie,
I am doing 95 hrs on the big bus before pressing 2, 10 days OFF and believe me all the flights suck, the good ones go to the management boys, then the trainers and the left overs go to the line pigs.

PS: it also helps if you come from a tiny island in the Mediterranean just north of Lybia

No wonder we as Emirates pilots are the laughing stock to the good airlines of the world.
We will never achieve Industry Standard pay and conditions with attitudes like the ones posted above.
13% operating costs, no wonder we made so much money. Kind of refelects on us doesn't it.

come on
 

Come on guys..you are helping the Sheik repaying its 109 billion dollars debts. Net worth of Dubai is negative ..keep it in mind for the future.
The world id turning page, greedy ,unregulated, globalized capitalism is at the end...Dubai outlook never been grimmer.

Swan Man, I agree with the sentiment of your post but the 13% operating cost does not include the pilot group.

look for a new horizon
 

CSA is interviewing. commuting 6/2, 215k a year after tax. 80 hrs max per month. 230 USD extra over 80 hrs.
Scoot also interviewing, but its OK only for those without kids.

China Southern ordered 10 777 for 2013
Eastern China just ordered 20 777 two weeks ago.

Future, salary and conditions looking brighter in South east Asia.

Here, it will become worse and worse. This is just the beginning.
(Medical, allowances, days OFF, Holidays, etc etc etc and prices in Dubai in the skies.....This is not NY, Sydney, Singapore, London, etc etc...its just Dubai, desert, sand, beach and Malls...not even comparable to the big cities of the world)

If you are looking for life quality, time OFF and good money to save for your future, then Dubai and Emirates is not the place anymore.

Dont burn brain cells anymore. Take care of your health and your love ones.

Bye bye those memorable times.

Swan man I apologise. I didn't know that all the airbus pilots colluded to make up the 380 wing crack saga just to get you and your Boeing mates to work harder. What a pack of clever pr@cks they must be to do that. :ugh:

You Muppet!!!!

the Don

I think the future is looking more & more like being in china for most of us. I guess EK will end up like gulf air.

:cool:You're welcome to the chinks matey! Think I'll take my chances with the habibis thanks:ok::ok:

Yeah? I'll remind you in a couple of years............:ugh::ugh::ugh: Why the hell anyone would want to live in London I don't know. Or Sydney! (full of aussies etc). And Singapore? Where is that??????????

Seriously though; what has happened to allowances, days off, holidays etc etc etc? Complete hysterical bollocks:=:yuk::{:ugh:

I'm glad I'm not Greek:cool::rolleyes::cool::rolleyes:

RE: CSA
6/2 is NOT a commuting contract....it is a slow road to divorce. So even if the pay and flying conditions are better, that condition is not and no one should sign on the dotted line even uttering that is a commuting roster. Come on, there is a finite number of pilots in the world with upwards of 12k on heavy equipment. Stop jumping through hoops for these operators and collectively make them up the terms. Everyone will benefit in the end.

White Knight...you can have Dubai and all the loveliness it provides with your habibi mates. Most would take London or Sydney anyday over DXB..chinks included you racist slug.

Be very careful of China Southern guys. The astronaut medical could see you unemployed very easily. I have never failed a medical in my life, and that even counts for Korea where they are super strict. I did fail the China one though!

I hear all the moaning about pay increase not being enough. I wholeheartedly agree, however, this is going on in the rest of the world, and not just pilots. The huge inflationary (con by the banks) world we are in makes us all worse of financially for the work we do. That is of course, unless you're a CEO or Banker.

Keep fighting for more though guys!!

it sucks living in Dubai....newsflash, we get paid to do it, thats why we're here
 

One can only hope we have a mass exodus and/or no new recruits that EK sweetens the deal enough to staff airplanes...really the only voting power pilots have at EK.

Too bad the pilots at EK don't have enough unity to have organized "sick outs" or "slow downs"

EK mngt keeps up the fear tactics, all nationalities may put aside their differences and team up with a common goal...make management fear us

I'm not saying you're wrong but if this is true why are SQ losing pilots to EK:confused:

A380 Jockey: Sorry to burst my bubble!? Settle down tiger..just the way I see things.

If SIA is so rosy, why not go and join them? Oh, that's right they're not hiring on the 777 and downsizing by using their Aircraft with Scoot...on LESS PAY!!

I'm not the enemy, I want Airlines to pay more. Much more. Our salaries in general have been going down for many years in reality. I'm just saying our professions aren't the only ones suffering.

I certainly hope you EK guys get a decent rise, as I do for all of my fellow Aviators. But if there are other Airlines paying more, then Shut up and Vote with your feet!

A380 jockey

Maybe your friend did read them to you correctly and that you have a different interpretations.

They did have an increase to their basic salary plus hourly flight pay. To get to 19000 SGD basic he would have to be a very senior capt in SQ. You need to make the right comparison between the two senior Capts at both airlines.

MVC is included in your basic not an addition. The tax rates in Sin is not 10%..try more like between 15 to 17%. Singaporeans and permanent resident card holders are entitled to CPF whereas expats on an employment pass does not, hence the 10000 sgd per year bonus pay out at the end of your contract. Outstation allowances generally higher than that of EK but you're not going to be on all layover trips...777 does quite bit of turn around..

I believed your friend did read them to you from the ALPA-S contract but you had a different interpretations..because in no way he would have quoted that the tax rate was at 10% and the MVC was an addition to your basic.

A380 jockey

By the way..only SQ Cargo have an expats contract. The amount of housing and school fees is in their recruiting website. The other airlines within the SIA group, SQ, MI and Scoot does not have an expats package and all is on a local term.

Highlighting this was only to make a correct assessment or comparison for all of us more valid..

joining SQ
 

Aiyo...careful what you wish for lah...only allowed to work until 62, and then SQC MIGHT take you but at 1st year pay...and possibly on a local contract, it seems to be one way for locals and another for expats, and SQ reserves the right to limit your extention to one contract term only...many guys had to leave when they were tossed aside...how many ended up at QR? 70 odd guys is the number tossed around. Not such a great shade of green on the other side of that fence...and as for staff travel? You EK people have a picnic compared to SQ...:rolleyes:

A380 jockey

Let's take a calculation based on about the 10th year capt.

Base 13500
MVC. 1350

Basic 15000.

80 hours at 75= 6000
80-85 at 125 = 625

13th month at 15000/12 = 1250

Total 22875 + outstation allowances..

So the the Capt with about 10 years on the left seat is about 68625aed plus outstation allowances minus taxes therefore it is not the 90k aed you've quoted, also the outstation allowances won't be as much as what you've mentioned.

A capt with a 10 years of seniority is about 60700 plus outstation allowances with EK if you opted for the housing allowance..

Now it is only around 8000 aed of differences..if you calculate the taxes you pay, the housing and the school fees, EK would have a bit more spending power. EK provides a provident funds while SQ pays the 13th month basic..so it has many wash out between the 2 airlines. It all comes down to where you want to live and work and where the family will be happy.

SQ mainline won't be hiring Capts for many years to come. It has enough FOs to upgrade within. The only hiring is on the Cargo side which is on a different CA to that of the mainline. When you do join, you will be placed in the year 1 basic which is 10000sgd plus MVC of 1000..

It's not that much different..it's about where you will be happy.

A380 jockey

How can you factored in housing and education allowances when yoou don't get that in the SQ mainline? The SQ Cargo guys does have a 3900 sgd of housing and 1500 per kids in school fees, and this school fees applies during school year(not paid during summer holiday).

The 10 year EK is simple. 40650 in basic, plus 60 per hour doing 75 hours per month(900 year) 4500, plus housing of 14950 is 60700aed then to add 200 for phoone allowance plus exchange rate protection depending on your currency from 0 to 3000 aed per month plus overrnight allowance so 62000-63000aed is a realistic figure. I am sure any of the EK pilots here can confirm my numbers for EK.

For your friend to pick up 4500 sgd in allowance that means he is with cargo. SQ mainline is also on a 3 meals allowance like EK while SQ Cargo is at 8sgd per hour. So his 4500 equals about 562 hours away from base. They fly about 50-55 hours per month.

I just hope the info here can be as accurate as possible for a valid comparison.

A380jockey

I am very certain my numbers are correct. :ok:

When you were comparing the most senior EK Capts, did you also included the housing allowances if he choose to take? School fees? Bear in mind it is 3 kids in EK not 2. And did you added the provident funds to the calculation? Because you need to. Why? Is to make the comparison valid:ugh:

By the way, it won't be my loss:=

We can put this to rest. Can't blame you for not knowing the numbers and it's no use having a debate here..

Adios

A380's numbers are spot on...!!
Couldnt be closer to actuals.
Koaw

Instead of talking about everybody's else pay what about the pay at EK. 3% does not even come close to the inflation rate in Dubai. We need more that is for sure.

Cerbus

We haven't had a pay rise. The 3% is an increment which we should receive automatically every year to reflect seniority. So, this year we've basically got nothing. That's pretty disgraceful for an Airline that's just cleared well over 600 million US$

That is true, but what can be done about it other than the standard answer of voting with ones feet