In retrospect my post may have been a tad insensitive, and for that I do apologise.

I am certain that EK will HIRE "poolies" first as slots for more drivers become available.

Best of luck to all,

OW

Much has been written with regards to the standard of the CRJ/ERJ pilots who came to EK. Most seem to imply that the poor standards (the general rule, not the exception) of these guys is because of their previous aircraft type.
This is not the case. The poor standards came about because the guys who came from the US expected spoon-feeding in all there is to know when transitioning to a new aircraft type, new company rules (we have a lot of those), proper R/T (don't get me started) and operating in parts of the world they didn't know existed.
At EK, things are done differently - trainees have to work HARD to get through. Not impossibly hard mind you. But certainly showing up for a sim session or a flight without having prepared beforehand does you no good. Hence the poor reputation US pilots have at EK.
Again, this does not apply to everybody, but certainly most. I don't blame EK for biding their time for better quality candidates.
Not meant to aggravate anyone - just stating what I think is fact.

Management meeting next week to determine which ones
will be selected for Aug and Sept courses.

The rest, thrown to the street like so much useless trash.

At least it is finally going to be over.....PREPARE TO EXIT THE HOLD !!!!!

MR bitter olaspoop
 

Dude if the TRUTH HURTS im sorry. Just for your FYI employee number means nothing, it could be cadets, its could be guys who interviewed before,so i suggest you keep YOURRRRRRRRRRR mouth shut in your sinking ship airline.

:D I rest my case!! You numpty!

I would if I were you too.

What happened to July courses?

I just received the May update email and now I know what happened to the July courses.Apparently a week or so to the final.Good luck Gents.

Fuba is a dreamer:{:{ And really not very clued up about EK despite his numerous postings....

Hello fellow Poolies

Considering this part of the last EK update

"We expect this will be before the end of May but it could extend into early June. "

Does anybody have been contacted yet or maybe know somebody who had ???

1 year of swimming pool

Staggerwings:ok:

I was told a few days ago that the final number is 48. Courses to be in Sept and Oct. Apparently there are also plans for a Mar '10 course but considering how far off that is, who knows if it'll happen.

Those on the list for courses, are the guys EK has deemed to be the most experienced. ie, Boeing, Airbus, high time and airline experience. Emails are going out this week to the lucky few.

No recruitment planned for the next fiscal year as aircraft deliveries are going to be deferred.

As always, I've no reason to doubt the info but it's always subject to change.

Class in August
 

Just received an email this morning from Emirates saying that they were awarding me a 777 class date on August 24th.

Don't do it.
 

Ask them if you will be employed under the same terms and conditions they were offering when you interviewed??

Hey Fullboat, when were you interviewed? What time do you have? bus or boeing time? Any other info in the email you can give? Thanks and congrats!

Just been offered a 777 course late sept. Interviewed in June 08. Currently flying the 744.
Some new terms and conditions attached to offer that reflects what has already been posted here !
Good luck to the rest of you

Changed offer info
 

Hey Abortt, pls do us a favor and tell us what the changes to the offer made to you are. It'd be interesting to know what they're offering to you now. Just be careful...."all that glitters isn't gold !!"
Thanks...

Unless you are unemployed or getting shot at on a daily basis I really don't know why anyone would join this company any more.

Just remember the rule: the best day you will ever work for Emirates Airline is the first one...every single one that follows will be worse. (In terms of T's and C's). The constant, bare-faced lying will get to you sooner or later.

One of the T and C's that has just changed is free housing, there is now a cap on utilties 21600 Dhs / year . some guys at DSO have checked their bills 31000 to 40000. Would really like to hear more actual numbers from guys. The memo talked about recovering extra direct from pay at 1000/ month, does that mean that the average is closer to 36000/ year and we are only getting 21600. 21600 is not very much. Water 3fil/L and power 7fil/Kwatt ( i think those are the correct numbers)

Another rumour is deferred orders in 2010/2011, dont be looking at EK for a upgrade quickly. 2400 pilots year end 2009/2010 (Apr). Airbus upgrades starting again in Aug , have not heard about the 777.

Not sure if I'm gonna take it
 

I have a ton of right seat 737 glass time and no real PIC. I interviewed last May and got a class last year that I declined.

I've heard a bunch of bad stuff about EK but there seems to be some good there. I wont be able to do an August class so I'll see if they can let me slide into the September one.

Thoughts and suggestions are greatly appreciated!

At The Time Any Idea How Many Pilots Had Been Called By Hr.?
Or When Is The Dead Line Day To Receive The Mail ?


Cheers.

from the C conferences :

ZERO new aircraft deliveries in FY 2010-2011 (well guess that must be the proof that Dubai Inc. is struggling to raise cash).
Upgrade slots for those in the company more than 2 years : between 5 and 6 years.
For the new joiners : A lot more.

Well guess you can scrap that quick command of your positive's list.

I have been offered a position on B777 starting on August. I declined as I have a better job for now. Ex skipper B747 and B737. What is different from interview is flying pay going up to 83-92 hours and housing amount.
Good luck to all of you going there.

expect nothing and you will never be disappointed...:ok:

My buddy just got an email and he declined for a september class. He had heavy time and experience but it did not make sense for him to leave his company with the changes in package.

Best of luck to all you poolies. I emailed hr a month ago and told them to take me off the list.

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I also declined the offer. It was not that appealing anymore, for me anyway. Good luck to all poolies.

Interviewed in May 2008. Just offered a job with Airbus class starting in September. Turned down :{ due to long time to command. Currently 747 Captain with 15000 total time, 5000 PIC on 747, 3500 PIC 757/767. Good luck to those who continue!:ok:

Keep Declining!
 

EK management have made it perfectly clear that we should not complain about the Company slashing our Ts and Cs, but rather just be happy to have a job working for one of the greatest companies in the universe.

If this sounds like your dream job, then come on down, but just expect to continue to make further donations to keep this amazing airline from sinking in the quicksand.

Have a long hard look at your present job before coming here. If you are out of work or with a company about to go under then that is a different story.
900 hours / year min days off and the cost of everything going up not to mention the reduction in the T&C's.

I have to second that. It has become a job like all the other jobs out there. If you have one, then you'll just change your location. If your T&Cs are dilluting, they do the same here. If your taxes are going bezerk, believe me, the hidden ones here, from gvt or company do exactly the same. If you are threatened by redundancy or downsizing, here you are threatened by the sack for things that mock any description. You are just replacing the threat of redundancy by the threat of beeing sacked. The only difference here is a fearful cockpit atmosphere and thus affected flight safety.

Guys, please don't apply for Emirates. stay where you re, this place does'nt deserve us....

take it into account...
 

from EK crewportal:

School Fees
My children's school fees will rise by 12% from next term. Will the allowance increase accordingly. - Question Posted on 29th May 2009 This year the remuneration and benefits package has been frozen and therefore an increase to the Education Support Allowance (ESA) cannot be considered at this time. However the company continues to review benefits and allowances, so when the situation changes, if the review of ESA justifies amendments to the allowance then these will be presented for approval along with any other recommendations. Unfortunately the company has no influence on the school terms and conditions and fee levels, therefore if parents are unhappy with any new fee levels suggested by a school then are encouraged to collectively lodge their complaints with the Ministry of Education and the school. Regards Helena White Human Resources Manager (Operations)



that means:
2 children in secondary school..have to pay 16000 dhs from my pocket....

I've just worked out that we have, up to this point in time, we have received a reduction of approx 20% to date and that's before the top up utility bill has to paid.

It's really not what it use to be. fear on the flight deck and we're getting poorer by the day. Do not kid yourself - time to command will now be running at over 5 years - you'll be broke by the time you get your command.

If EK can change the contract, which is illegal, don't be surprised if it changes again & again & ..........

Please be careful those of you giving up good jobs to come here. Those who are unemployed, it's obvious, but don't be surprised.

What is next?
 

Hi folks,

Interviewed last summer and did not get any mail those days, concerning the august and september courses. For those who are in the same situation than me, Do we can expect an email saying us bye bye from the pool, and just the silence means we are out of the big ball. Thanks for the comments. Congratulations and good luck for the guys called for the incoming classes.

Disappoint,

Is that additional 16,000 dhs for your kids school fees:
- per year?
- per term?
- or per month?

I hope you meant the former and not the latter!

OW

Flying OW

I guess that would be per year............... but put that in perspective thats almost one month's salary for a first officer. Add this with your costs of elec. and water. no 3% and an increase in the work hours to around 90 per month.

As one F@*ked off EK pilot :ugh: unless your unemployed or being shot at dont come to the middle east. Even if you are unemployed remember as someone said earlier your best day will be your first at EK all downhill from there. Because you will then be bonded for 3 years and yes it does feel like a jail sentenance not only for you but for your whole family.

for once please people listen to what PPRUNE is saying i wish i had

cheers

Gents,

I have a very reliable friend on the inside and he mentioned that hr is dumbfounded why there are so many people who have turned down EK during this troubling time. The economy will pick up and if you are contracted for 3 years, you might miss the opportunity back home. Once you become an expat, you will always be an expat.

Especially with the upgrade times at 7+ plus years for newjoiners, it really does not make sense if you have a family. With the increase in educational costs for children, the increase hours (less time home), and the new DEWA fees...it would make sense if one just stayed put at your current airline. I worked out the numbers, and a new joiner will barely make ends meet if you have two or more children. With one child, you might be a able to put something aside. If you are single, with no responsibilities, then it will make sense to make the move. But i think with the diminishing lifestyle, the bias laws, no equal protection, it would make more sense to stay at home.

Remember that if your wife is not happy, then you will not be happy. Are you willing to take the chance?

For those of you who are thinking of comming to Emirates, let me tell you a story.

A guy arrives, all excited ready to commence his new career. Gets put in a villa under the flightpath, a mile or two from the runway. No curfew here, so aircraft going over 24/7. Lack of sleep starts to hamper his concentation & training.

Gets through the sim OK though & starts line training. Things are looking good. On his last line training flight he gets paired with a TRI who is a DEC & has only been with the company less than two & a half years. He is flying into Manchester & has never been there before (don't know about the TRI). This is sector 9 (thats right - you only get 10 sectors of line training!).

He misreads the ATIS & sets up for 05L instead of 05R. TRI doesn't pickup that anything is wrong. It all starts going bad when they realise that they are being vectored for 05R. They are visual, so the F/O lines up visually & is fully stabilised. The TRI then calls for a missed approach at low altitude, as he is unhappy with the fact that they haven't briefed for this runway. The F/O defers to authority & complies, but has no tracking in the FMC or on the ND to follow. He is not aware that the chart for 05R is on the back of the 05L chart. He waits for tracking instructions from TRI. TRI is on the radio arguing with ATC over radar vectors. The F/O continues straight ahead, still waiting for tracking directions from the PNF (TRI). The TRI eventually convinces ATC to provide radar vectors.

The problem is that the missed approach off 05R calls for a right turn at 800' & they are now way past this point. However, the aircraft was never in any danger, there was no breakdown in seperation with any other aircraft & at no time did they come close to terrain.

TRI debriefs F/O at hotel. F/O goes on to pass his clearance to line check a few days later.

The company then finds aut about it & calls the crew in to discuss the incident. The F/O has his successful clearance to line check voided & he is told that remedial training is required - some sims & more line training & then another CTL check.

While he was waiting for that to be scheduled he receives an e-mail from the company requiring his presence at a disciplinary hearing in a few days time. Shortly after this hearing he is sacked. He appeals, but the appeal is rejected.

So he heads home soon. Because emirates requires you to quit your previous job before starting with them, he had to beg for his old job back. Unfortunately that fell on deaf ears as there is currently a recruiting ban in his old airline due to the tough economic times at the moment. So he has no job.

He & his family have been financially ruined by Emirates. They have to sell their house & borrow money from family to pay their debts to Emirates & the bank in Dubai, so they can leave the country & not be thrown in jail. He lost Dhs30,000 alone on the car he had purchased. Emirates is entitled to the training bond even if they sack you. You also have to pay back the furniture allowance (30,000) & the car loan if you took it. They can also give you only 1 weeks notice if they so desire.

So beware! Being a trainee will not protect you at Emirates when you make a small mistake or the TRI stuffs up. Because you have to quit your old job before you start here, you will have nothing to go back to if it all goes wrong.

Think things through very carefully!

Have to agree with the Seaman,

ONLY COME IF YOU HAVE NO OTHER JOB111

That should have been,


......job !!!

330 dec emirates
 

hi guys,
had applied for dec(direct entry capt) a330 emirates as am already flying it.was informed that i am shortlisted and in the pool.kindly advise the approx waiting period.any and all other pertinent information will be highly appreciated.
thanks in advance,
Rahul.