Qatar & Cadet program?
 

Anyone hear of any news about Qatar hiring SO's through a cadet program? If so where can I get more info about the application process?

The only catch is age below 29yrs.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :yuk:

Hey studi,

I tried starting a thread about this earlier as well. Any idea how the application process is gonna be? Where do we send our CV's and info?

The ad in flight international didnt give out too much info I was just wondering if you knew anything more about it?

Regards.

hey Guys. 2nsd officer thing is okay. Personally, I would go for a a 737 NG or A 320 F/O rating.There are plenty of low cost airlines out there.

I am not being sarcastic and rubishing 2nd officer programs. I am just talking from experience.

I am a wide body capt. now. I have flown with guys who bought themselves a 737 FO rating when people said it was a waste of time. Those same guys are Capts.(or soon to be Capts) with respectible outfits like EK. They took a risk and now it has payed of.

In other words. If you get plenty of take offs and landings in either of those airplanes; the world is your oyster.(Well , "duhh!!!.... I knew that " you might say). Just putting my 2 cents worth in anyway.

All the best.

AW

vne
 

The ad gives both e-mail and surface mail addresses for your CV

[email protected]

or

Hr Dept
Qatar Airways
PO Box 22550
Doha
Qatar

Fax 974 462 6106

All I will add is on the housing front, QR3500 allowance doesn't get you much in Doha unless you share.

I have left the company so sorry cant give you anything more juicy on the actual scheme, a lot may have changed since I was around when it was being discussed.

Good luck with whatever you choose

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studi
 

To the best of my memory, it was to be the latter, with F/O status and conditions when productive on line.......but please do not quote me.

Thought someone in the know may have helped you guys out by now, but it all seems to have gone very quiet here on anything to do with QR.

Good luck to you mate



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Thanks for the info Bored.

Is there a cut off date for this program (it doesn't mention anything in the ad)? Or are the doors gonna close once they have what they are looking for?


Pays = alright (compared to instructing/bush work)
Time = 5 years of bond vs. Instructing for 3 years...

I know I am a fresh pilot so my experience is fairly limited but can someone tell me where the bad deal is here?

I wonder how many they are planning to take, and what the actual competitive minimums are going to be? High, or low.

How does QR look upon Canadian licences? Commercial / Multi-IFR.

CX has been it doing for years now. The real TT at CX is about 3000+ plus some turbine time.
Sould be similar to this at QR as well, dont really think they will put a fresh guy with 250 CPL on a A320 ??

:confused:

They will put any legal pilot, on any aircraft, as cheaply as possible.

Many airlines have 250hrs pilots flying much bigger aircraft than an A320.

Once it's cheaper, they'll never make it expensive for themselves.

Vne 98

Apply for the job and tell us what you think of the deal in 3 years time.

Once your a F/O, the deal seems pretty good to me. Salary is ok, so that ain't a problem. I don't know enough of QR to judge how it is to work for them. The only thing is...how long do you stay S/O? Because the earnings of a S/O could be better of course. But hey, at least it's a start ;) And so what if a c/a makes more than you. I don't care. If a person can manage whit this salary, it's ok for him. What other people earn don't matter. That's the way I think of it.

Ciao

Hang on here people, you seem to be overlooking a small fact - assuming the original post was accurate...

...5 year bond AND a salary deuction for 5 years to the tune of 108 000 QAR to cover the cost of training!!!

You would have to mad to consider this rubbish.

And Left Wing, CX have NOT "been doing this years".

Wake up kids.

Dixon has spoken.

Madder than working the ramp in -40C for over a year to get a chance to fly right seat on a caravan? or madder than instructing for a few years making a few hundred bucks a month?

Reading between the lines. QR have no use for S/O s unlike Cathay. Therefore my assumption would be that they will get you into the right seat as soon as possible where you can be productive.

The salary as an FO seems on the face of it pretty good considering your experience. You are effectivly paying for your own training over 5 years but in return you get hours and experience and a resonable salary.

My memory is not that bad that I cannot remember being in your position. If I were you I would go for it if you are young enough. Spend all your free money have lots of fun with some of the most gorgeous hosties flying and after 5 yrs FO leave and get a proper job.

Good luck!!:cool:

Oddie..no probs with the Canadian Licence

How about with a FAA license?

All of you lowtimers should apply! The ones who try to convince you not to apply would probably apply in a second if they were at your situation ;)

Have fun:ok:

L_T

And would someone know if there's a closing date for the S/O applications or is this an on-going thing.

Regards,
FLM.

Global
 

Please do not think for one minute that I disagree with a word you say here, you post well and put your views/opinion very well, just as it should be. I never recall seeing such a well balanced thread on any QR related topic so far.

Fact is, even in good old Europe, low time and very keen Pilot assets are having to pay for what they get if it leads to a job. Even high time rated guys have to pay certain airlines to look at CV's........................................

I am no fan of QR/Qatar and that is no secret, however, one thing that cannot be taken away from QR here is the fact they are prepared to pay a Cadet whilst under training.

There are 'First World' Airlines taking cash up front for Type Ratings, after self funded Jet Handling Assesments with third party involvement. It just seems to be the way of the World now, Wannabes standing up united against it just isn't going to make it go away.

If there are keen types who want to go for it, so be it. I would say we all learn by our mistakes, but my views are tarnished by my own (very short) experience out there, along with my own views/experiences of QR.

Nice to see you trying to help these guys decide, only they can decide if it is a good deal, if it pays enough to pay the loans back home, at least you are contributing, just wish someone at QR would answer this obvious interest in their ad.

The one thing I could never work out about the whole deal.....

QR Recruit NTR P1 and P2 all fleets.
QR bond said NTR Pilots.
QR has failed said pilots after ground school, and not cared about the costs incurred.
QR has an 'Open cheque book' ask Airbus

Why deduct training costs from salary? is bonding not enough?

My guess is 'Cadet Pilots' may just stay for five years, if only they were not paying back costs to be incurred anyway.

2p worth I had to get off my chest, sorry.


Choose well guys, enjoy and above all, FLY SAFE



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Any Canadian Expats out there explain what the equivalent "Frozen ATPL" is in the Middle East? Does the IATRA qualify or are we out of luck if we don't have the hours to write the ATPL?

I have been reading Canadian forums and it sounds like us low time Canucks are out of luck :ugh:

Iatra is not accepted, minima’s are actual frozen ATPL which you guys unfortunally can't get without 750 hours. One more info Qatari CAA does not accept FAA frozen ATPL, the only ATPL from states they accept is full unrestricted ATPL.

In Europe one can expect;

a) Employment legislation contracts and courts that can enforce human rights issues.

b) Employers that appear more approachable (if only because they are culturally more similar), and therefore questions can be answered easily.

c) A decision that can be made knowing you have all the facts. If the facts don't appear as per your contract, at least you can revert to point a).

In the ME one can expect;

a) Your contract to be honoured because if it were to be breached, or even perceived to be, the fall out makes it very difficult for expanding airlines to retain/recruit pilots.

b) A very loosely worded contract. This of course opens many options, unfortunately not for you.

c) A great degree of difficulty to enforce or gain restitution from said contract should it be breached.

When a pilot has hours, licences, experience and no "bond" then he is a very tradeable commodity.

When you're a newbie with a 5 year bond/time lock obligation that only kicks in when the employee decides, then it's like having an open ended contract with a 5 year probation period tacked on the end.

People will que for this deal, just as many did for the SQ "cadet" program.

I wonder if just as many will be as disillusioned as the SQ expat brats were.

As I said before, no skin off my nose so 'let the buyer beware'.

By the way, just because Qatari CAA don't accept frozen ATPL's this week, doesn't mean to say they won't next week. I'm sure QR have that one covered.

Qatari CAA does accept frozen ATPL's, the only frozen ATPL that is not accepted is FAA ATPL.

I understand that it can be extremely frustrating looking for work, especially with low time and no commercial experience. It is not easy for people with the "unmarketable" type ratings or licences from non JAR states either.

I would caution people about making decisions which have contractual repercussions five years from now based on a situation which will have changed probably three weeks from now, especially in a country where you have effectively NO legal rights, cannot buy property (at the mercy of the landlords), can be deported at the company's discretion, and with a company which has a reputation for promising much (always with a "situation might change") and delivering very little in terms of career advancement.

Lowering the bar is often seen as a solution to staffing problems, but does not solve the fundamental problems.

If you want to sell yourself into slavery, go ahead. You have been warned.

Any replies yet? Anyone else can confirm Canadian IATRA not accepted?

Hey ODGUY,

If you check out avcanada there is a post from someone who actually called the HR department and asked about the IATRA and it was confirmed that it is not accepted as a Frozen ATPL.

Sorry bout the glum news...

Canadian IATRA is not a frozen ATPL!

The only way to have a frozen Canadian ATPL is by writing the exams and not having the required flight time!!!

And you can write the Canadian ATPL now with less than 750 HRS
You now have the choice of writing the A"S or your IATRA with 250 HRS for that first type....

Cheers

Application Problems
 

Has anyone else experienced email problems with the Qatar server? It seems like their disk space has totally filled up with applications.

Am I the only one here with this issue?:confused:

Yes I am also experiencing problems when submitting my email application... Well guess I have to send it via snail mail then....:ouch:

Maybe they are receiving so many applications that the server could not handle it.

K.

Hi there,

Has someone received any answer about the recruitment process or the status of its application form?? In what will consist the asessment??Interview, aptitude test and sim ride?
Thanks to everybody and good luck.

Waiting on the selcall ;)

I spoke to one of the recruiting ppl 2 days ago regarding the app. process.

only 12 applicants will be selected/hired. they do not having a closing date, its open for the time being. The ones that haven't recieved an email acknowledgement confirming your CV/legal documents, expect a week to 10 days factoring in the eid holidays. The 'main' recruiting person was not in when I called so couldn't get more info.

anyone care to advise on the selection process, interview, sim eval, written testing??

thanx

a friend applying want me to ask if any one know, how much time you will spend as Second Officer in qatar airways until apointed a First officer???

thanks

How long is a piece of string?

The reason for this is that any information you get on this topic will be out of date in a few weeks. The terms will change, the requirements will change, and nobody will know what is going on. This is a management style apparently perfected at QR.
If you want to apply, go ahead. The goalposts WILL move, the terms WILL change, and the world WILL be a very different place by the time your "bond" is paid off.
Just think of all the opportunities you WILL miss if you accept this deal.
You are going to convince yourself to accept this garbage anyway. I'm not going to help you do it.

Disagree Studi

A lack of information, is information in itself.

Disagree Global Nomad,

I would say there is a lack of information because this is a brand new position/recruitment policy for Qatar Airways.

Qatar Airways employing Second O's huh. I wonder when Emirates will follow suit. Sounds like a pleasant deal, with the exception of the high price of training. 30,000 USD is very high for any aircraft type rating.

Just a question, how come every Qatar Airways FO I see has only 2 stripes?

At other companies I have seen, 2 stripe FO's, but only while they were newly trained from SO or were newly trained. Once assessed, 2.5 to 3 stripes.

Does it really matter how much stripes a F/O has? It doesn't change anything for the job he does. Still has the same responsibilties..1 stripe, 2 stripes, or 43 stripes all the way to your shoulder. What does it matter?

Hello Vne98,

I sent my CV to QatarA 2 days ago, I received an answer this morning, and I am waiting for the next.
It seems they accept Canadian License, I have 250hrs TT and a type rating on A320 that I paid myself.
The qualification on type make the difference, one of my partner on the 320 course just found a job in Asia, 0 hours on type.
Everything is possible....

;-)

Type Rating
 

FAB

Where did you do your course? How much did it cost?

Regards,
Vne98