pilots poaching
 

Capt. ALfakeem,

I agree with you that not all of those who took the decision have based it on emotion, but I certainly agree with the writer that a lot of them have? As the Gulf Air management until now have not issued a single notice to any pilot, or even sacked one except Capt. Hameed Ali which I personally believe was a mistake.
But, on the contrary, they have increased all pilots salaries in attempt to keep them, even some of the board members intervened personally and manged to stop a group of young pilots from leaving ( see Btv program on Gulf Air ) .

I fully agree with you that the whole shambles have started after the disaster Press conference by the new management in which they through a big Stone in the water ! and it was also compounded later on , when the rival Airlines of the Gulf staged there Road Show in Bahrain to poach our dear friends.

http://www.pprune.org/forums/images/icons/mpangel.gif hang on guys

pilots poaching
 

Mike,

Becuase as the writer have said in the article that the :
" Grass is not greener on the other side "

also not necessarly that thing will conitnue the same way for ever, I belive the good days will come again , and Gulf Air will be strong again with this mangement or without , THE GOVERNMENT have taken the decision that this Airline is here to stay , and
I certinaly hope that it will be with you " Mike " ?:ok:

DISCOVER.... if you didn't make it to the roadshows, you can still apply on line mate:). Loyalty has nothing to do with the exodus of GF pilots towards greener pastures, buisiness is buisiness and the highest bidder always wins:D

"Business is Business" where 'greener pastures' are concerned; yet "Business is (not) Business" when faced with the sack? Seems a fairly 'pilot' point of view!

dear oh dear ..... looks like AD has either played this very wrong, or he's planned this all along.

As well as the cabin crew and pilots all deserting the GF ship, there are plenty of expat managers that are now walking as they feel unsecure at GF. Contracts are not getting renewed and those who have contracts up later in the year or even next year are upping now as there are plenty of jobs around.

So, the crew leave and the expat managers (some good, some indifferent) go, so what do you have left ... the bahraini's running the show (that's after the omanis run as well).

Now GF run by bahraini's ..... good luck AD as you will need more than inshallah to run this sinking ship.

Discover,

Whatever nonsense you are trying to prove? The latest VP nomination should say it all, I doubt GF will ever get better.

By yhe looks of it, it is sinking and taking its prople with it.

Corruption is still rife in every corner, same old folks are running the show, delays like no tomorrow, and the canteen these days shows full house from 7am, can you show me where it is getting better?:8

I think like some who believe that by nationalizing the airline it will run better, you are dreaming of Santa Claus jumping in through the air duct of your 1st floor office!

Getting better! Yea right! in your dreams habibi!:sad:

Can anybody here please confirm (or maybe better: NOT confirm), that any pilot-payrise has been overruled by the "Bored"?

What happened with the salary increase?
 

Hola super porsche!. Sadly I printed my salary slip this afternoon and could realise that no increase was paid and the supposedly 200 BD weren't in my account. The only thing I saw was a message from Mr. Nef asking us NOT to leave because GF is the best airline in the middle east and that they are still working in the "new attracive package". Man, I'm getting tired of some many Bull :mad:t.....Really needed the extra 200 and more of course, but 200 bd would have help me pay the bloody insurance of my car. Anyway, GF keep disappointing us everyday. did you read the message form Nef. Call me dude!:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

Oh, I didn't know that (maybe because GF never send me any info to my mail). Anyway, hopefully any pilots will be left on june to enjoy the 200 BDs. Cheers mates!

sad we have many problems. surprised that new management has not realized that clear communication is a must especially to a group pf worried employees. also being clear and accurate is the only way to creat trust which Bjorn is trying to get i think they need to take some massive strides forward in this department.

also in latest blog on aims. said not laying off in the foreseeable 6months to year i think.....well does that mean in 1 year i will be looking for work?

i hope these answers are coming as promised in the coming "weeks" cause this makes even the most committed guy get cold feet.

hope for the best....it may happen or not, atleast for those who want to leave you have options:)

http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story...&IssueID=30069

Whoever's waiting for their 200BD payrise (which will be Junes paycheque ie more July than June) will also need to wait for their new package at the end of July.
The problem from the above article is that every airline in the region has announced their remuneration packages along with their terms and conditions. Why not Gulf Air? All have laid their cards on the table, all except Gulf Air.
What's with the big secret?
Pilots and, indeed the airlines employees do not like surprises when it comes to their income. We chose our careers paths based on this.
Meanwhile, the brain-drain continues, not necessarily to greener pastures but because of what we know of.
Nobody likes to plunge into the dark as Gulf Air has subjected it's employees to.
The package may end up being attractive. There may be a coupla hundreds dinars added here and subtracted there. And overall, it may still be worth ones while to remain.
So then, what the hell is with the big secret? Maybe they want people to leave. That's all I can think of.

Budget Surplus
 

Irony the Owner of GF announces his Budget has a surplus of 141 Million BHD.This includes the lossesmade by Gulf Air.
They want to make it more by making profit from GF as well.

http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story...&IssueID=30070

Interesting quote from that article..........

Interesting quote but it is exactly what I took from that memo. My question is, can these two (Dozy and Naf) put two words together without sounding stupid and out of their depth? We could laugh at all the poor communications that have come from these two if it was not so serious.

The article also mentions that 320 of the 506 GF pilots have applied for other jobs, that's 63%! If this figure is even close then that's staggering. The new boss announcing job cuts so early in his tenure could go down as one of the biggest blunders in the history of Gulf Air:uhoh:

The biggest blunder in history is that the management that remains from the previous era is still there, theft and misapropriation of company funds still goes on, and nothing is done about it.

It is not the crew or the employees who are the cause of Gulf air's demise, it's the sorry ignorent management that is still there!

Andre wake up from your dose!

I would like to quote a exert from the latest email we got from that literary genius Mr Naf for your consideration.

In other words what Mr Naf is saying is dont worry boys and gals we wont sack anyone now, bare with us and work hard to get the company organized and we'll sack you when we're good and ready in 10 to 12 months time.:ouch:

How's that for communications skills and a moral booster hay?

Run and run hard.

Best of luck to all
Cheers
Fluffies

Dude, it's not just the pilots who are leaving, but the engineers as well. I have heard that many have submitted their resignation. Even if you have tons of pilots to fly the aircraft, who is going to be left to certify these aircraft and allow it to fly??? Dark times ahead for the airline indeed.

Strangers in the night!
 

Sounds like they've just left their gig in Las Vegas, shiny lights, big songs, and no substance.

Doo be doo be doo, dadadada, Doobe doobe da....

Not to sound like a collaborator, but am I the only one who reads the memo differently. I think the point they are making is that 10-12 months down the line, they will have chipped away the people they don't want or need, so by that time they won't need to sack anyone, hence the use of his favourite phrase "natural attrition".

Don't get me wrong, I think they shot themselves in the foot big-time, but if you cast your mind back to the first mention of job losses, it was actually the Chairman of the board, Mr. Kooheji who started coming out with the figures of 1500 "expat crew" - Dose and and co. never mentioned this.
It seems that every time Dose is in the papers, this Kooheji character is in the next day saying something slightly different. Whether to appease the locals or just get his name in the papers, it's certainly causing most of the rumours and bad feelings...

just my ha'pennys worth,,,

roger, oveur.

Dear CaptainOveur,

First things first, today's exodus frenzy has nothing to do with natural attrition it's a serious case of abandon ship. Secondly and more importantly natural (or otherwise) attrition does not guarrantee you get rid of "the one's you want". In fact quite the opposite, the good one's get jobs while the bad one's rejection.
The bottom line?
Scores will resign including the author :O

to sum all of our scheming up..(make me smile we keep this thread going)

Gulf Air is in big trouble

losing massive amounts of crew

no idea what pay packeage MIGHT be

management always seems a day late and a dollar short and have trouble communicating

pink palace is in shambles

layoff rumours are making people get real cold feet

other airlines are rubbing their hands together in joyous glee


not sure if this covers all the problems but i think so

:ugh:STEALING A LINE FROM IRONBUTT "NOUGH SAID"?

For me this is like when the Titanic Ship sunk into the deep cold ocean. Remember the movie when the situation was totally f*%&ed up and the band was playing music, well, any similarity with actual facts are purely coincidential. Totally agree with Captain Hair Y Balls, they want us to really strive now so the can show improvements to the board and then, dump us like garbagge. Mates, I've seen this situation before and believe me, they'll do that to us. If some of you guys still think GF gives a damn about us, well, you'll be so disappointed in 10-12 month, but at least, this thought makes me feel better: I'll be more senior than Ironbutts hahahaha. Nothing personnal IB but really will see you in a year or so looking after a job in EY or QR. No worries, you are a cool dude and we'll party in Abu Dhabi mate. Cheers!:}

Capt Hair Y Balls wrote:

Capt Hair Y Balls, it's fine if you are axe grinding, but at least if you are quoting parts of the letter, do the whole thing that includes saying that they expect to reach the target through natural attrition. :rolleyes:

In any case, wishing you well wherever you may go or whatever you end up doing.

PJ, I personally believe, that GF are gonna reach (and be bypassed by) the desired crew-amount, just a little sooner than expected...and not just by "natural" attrition:rolleyes:.

That 'OZ' is now at EY mate
 

:hmm: Oddy

From today's GDN. It must be true.
It seems GF is already panicking. So where will the 1500 (or 2400 according to an internal GF source) layoffs come from then?

So the plan backfired??? All of a sudden they want to keep the highly qualified proffesionals? Were GF crew not highly qualified in April? Did it have to take EK, EY and QR and lets not forget WY to open the eyes of GF to the qualifications of their OWN staff? Why did all the crew have to resort to running away for the airline to realise that they were needed. Is GF too big for their own boots? Are they finally swallowing the FAT pride that brought them down in the first plce? Well I can ask a billion more questions but I think you'll all get the point. They will point the gun to your head before reaslising that death is inevitible. Still not a nice position for the person who the gun is being pointed at though no matter what the reality..

This management is not to be trusted. They keep contradicting themselves which means they are either lying to us or don't know what they are doing. Whatever it is it's not a safe or secure place to be.

Why is Mr. Kent protected is he the cash cow through which all the comissions go?

Well well, interesting developments on the horizon. Todays GDN made for some interesting reading. Bored (spelling correct) member Mr Kooheji claims NONE will be sacked!!! Correct me if I'm wrong but wasnt that the same Mr Kooheji who first announced 25% reduction in the workforce namely 1500 EXPAT CREW to be sacked in the GDN?????
Likewise the GF trade union (why the hell they call themselves a union I dont know) immediately expressed their support to the redundancy plans "since no bahrainis would be sacked".

Have you lads read the story about the boy who cried wolf? Well this is developing into a very similar story. This management have lost every ounce of credibility they ever had with these acts of desperation. Frankly they are totally lost and I suspect they havent the foggiest of whats going on. CRISIS MANAGEMENT in all it's glory. We go from 1500 sackings to the slap across the face when all three majors in the region run and book hundreds to interview. Then realizing they could potentially be faced with not enough staff to operate aircraft they promise gold plated "packages". Next reaction is :
Next day the GDN comes out with some interesting numbers of potential imminent resignations and finally the sh!t hits the fan in the pink palace, calls are made announcments are required...............

Mr Kooheji GF board member states categorically NO REDUNDANCIES


WHO THE HECK DO YOU PEOPLE THINK YOU'RE FOOLING?

Do you honestly think you can play around with peoples lives like that and they will just sit around and take it?

Speak Out
 

As the going says:
ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.
Something needs to be done to stop all the talk from all the confused around.
GF should Issue now the new PACKAGE .with better conditions for all.
This will show who is the CRY WOLF.Company giving the carrot only by bla bla bla or the Pilots who will eventually decide if they will stay or leave after the new package is announced.

I asked myself the same question..trust me you just have to scroll a few posts up to realise that there are the minority who are willing............

Michael Kent is the biggest crook the industry has ever known!

How he ended up at GF no one knows, he can be credited with Ansett's folding, thanks to his practices (malpractices) he left a hole worth millions of dollars, no wonder Murdoch never wanted to recapitalise the airline. He is doing the same here. Although this time he is sharing the takes with everyone around him (names can be supplied on request) all this bit about chefs is a smoke screen for the biggest con the industry has ever known.

<sigh>. Sorry guys. I respect you as pilots and fellow co-workers but some of you sound like hand-wringing village wives.

I am not sure I understand where management has gone “back” on what they have said. Back in early April when André Dosé and Björn Näf announced that there will be reductions total staffing at Gulf Air, I also recall them giving a general number and saying that, in the area of crew, they did not expect to have to make any lay-offs since the combination of “natural” attrition and a hiring-ban would take care of itself within a few months time.

Quite frankly, I appreciate the new management’s candidness in giving us the bad news and what needs to be done even though it had also given me some restless nights. However, in a part of the world where “normal” news is fantastic story-like projections of growth and opportunities, and where the ugly or bad is so sugarcoated to be unrecognizable, the medicine prescribed for curing Gulf Air also provoked a upset stomach in many employees. People got cold feet and competitors set up shop in the Mövenpick. The “stampede” ensued.

As a result, the “natural” attrition was greatly accelerated. I think management’s failure in this case was to overestimate how many people would get frightened and run for the exit. This is a shame, because I now believe we will have lost too many people. Recent memos have re-iterated that the Company does not have the intention to force the attrition of crew—but this time they have done so with much more compelling language. Yet this message, from all the messages I have read, has always been consistent since April. I appreciate also that Management has been trying to be very open. Individuals like Dosé and Näf have invited employees to approach them with their concerns, a fact that has been reiterated by Björn in this recent memo. But lets face it guys, while they are trying to make themselves available to address our own concerns (which they need to, by the way) they are trying to also run an airline and reform it into a sustainable organization.

So if not from crews, where will the lay-off’s come from? Well, there is more to an airline than just a couple pilots, a few more hosties in the back and some wrench-swinging mechanics. As I write this message, the Bangkok-station staff is attending a meeting to find out who will be laid-off. In Bangkok alone, about 50% of the staff will be losing their jobs. The morale there is very bad, as you can imagine, as they are losing their jobs as a result of something that they had nothing to do with. Other stations such as Hong Kong, Jo-burg and Dublin are closing entirely, and these people will also be collecting their last Gulf Air paycheck. I expect that there will be other staff-cuts in administrative areas.

Sadly, we are losing some great people here at Gulf Air, but I feel even more sad for those whose decision was made for them.

MikeHunt. I don't have the answer to your question, nor do I know who Michael Kent is or anything about him.

However, I do remember a memo written by André Dosé asking employees to report cases of corruption. Have you approached anyone yet, either anonymously or otherwise?

I am also curious to see if Managment will keep to their word in addressing this "black hand" issue.

So in summary:

Click here ;)

So who else is sharing the take with Michael Kent? Anyone in Marketing?

I assume whoever replaced HOMO in Marketing, there is a english lady there she doing all contracts.:bored:

PJ, I respect your moderation when posting about the current situation in GF and believe you speak the truth on most of the issues. However do you really believe that after all the misinformation and contradictions that these guys can be trusted? I for one have lost all trust in them and am not prepared to put my career and future on the line. After a long time in this airline and a history of supporting the company, feel it's time to move on. What credibility do they have now? They came with all the wrong credentials for the job and were soon exposed as not being up to the task. They will blame everyone else rather than take responsibility. If the only thing we get is some cheap childish catch phrase "Yes we can do it" then I'm afraid we need to man the life boats and let them re-arrange the deck chairs for themselves. In short we cannot believe them anymore.