Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!...


Bla Bla Bla Bla

why they gona close sin,jhb,syd, and the others ??? dubin is full goin flight ,, singapore ... also good business .. and pilots like it there lol ...


no idiea what those idiots are doin ...

have a nice day all :D

LowCost
 

Panama Jazeera and Arabia are not Flag carriers but low COst Airline.
Do you really see Gulf air as low Cost.No Fortuantly GF compares with EK EY QR.(Although aircraft bit older).None of this airlines make money.Dontforget the owner of GF is the Govt.what he is loosing in GF he gains on Boose fromGulf Cellars from Trader vics from hotel rental.
Gf should be a first Class airline with true Arabian Hospitality onboard to get people to this small Island to purchase property etc.
This is not a aplace wer people have to travel around like europe on planes .that is wer low cost airlines work cause airlines are like an airborne taxi service.
People here dont even travel inthe car if it doesnt have leather seats.

This is not true. :=

VPs are getting much more than what they deserve. :*

This thread is so f**king confused that I wish to make the following points b4 i am swamped:
1. If you are redundant, you are out of a job - NO FURLOUGH!
Sounds fine to me, then please give me my 3 months notice or pay in lieu and release me from my bond asap.
2. If you got a 767 rating after a light turbo-prop, what are you complaining about?
I don't think anyone on the 767 came off a light turboprop. Most of us came off MD83 from the left seat. At the time (our company went bankrupt) GF was a good option.
3. If you thought you were getting a command OUT of seniority, and it does not happen, thaen how can you be disappointed?
The company sets the policies, and they were upgrading by seniority within the fleet, not overall. It was reasonable to expect an upgrade by seniority by fleet type, and that it would be quicker on the Boeing. Now that we're all on the same fleet it evens the playing field and upgrades by seniority. Fair? yes, but it does extend the time to command for everyone, not just the boeing guys.
The 767 guys had expectacions that were not realistic, and would only continue while VPO (Hameed Ali) was ignoring policy in OMA and Fleet Transfer Seniority. Unfortuneately, this is now catching up with everyody.
Not really. The upgrades were by seniority within the fleets and that's what we expected. Now the situation has changed. I can live with that it's fair. The two issues i think most of us have are
1- We're now 40-60% underpaid compared to most airlines in the region. I have a hard time with that one.
2- GF wants me to sign another bond for 23000 BHD and 3 years at those pay levels because they phased out the aircraft i was flying and want to train me on another.Standing by for arrows in my back!!
I know, not a team player, if i don't like it leave blah blah blah..that's probably what alot of us will do though.

Exactly right Tbay...
If I had come off a turbo-prop, fair enough turn the page and let's see what happens next.
I'm not Canadian, but I came from the left seat of an MD too, with reasonable expectations based on the information provided by the recruiting team. (Mistake 1)
That combined with direct access to my home base, (which is one of the axed destinations) made for a pretty decent potential existance.
Salary- not fantastic, but with the per diums - we can do it. (Mistake 4173)
Now we don't earn near the numbers discussed a while back.
Now the rest of the "gulf majors" are offering far more attractive salaries in an effort to retain crew.
Can't see an increase on the horizon under present circumstances. Unless they retrench half the redundant staff in HO and distribute the salaries amongst the flight crew....hmmm there's an idea.
It seems the threat of crew leaving has no impact on the management - Bond another thousand lads, the queue is out the door and round the corner, or shake a tree- bound to be suitable chaps up there. The training department can handle it. Oh and the summer schedule is upon us too.
Not anymore amigo that dhow has set sail for calmer waters.
Its early days yet, but the prognosis - she don't look too good cousin!
The concept of "don't like, leave" is also wearing thin. The realistic issue is you cannot afford to lose experienced staff right now or them glass sliding doors are going to seize closed. Address the issues GF, the clock is ticking.

Part of the issue is that the "threat" of crew leaving dosen't actually show up in pilot numbers till 6 months or so down the road. First a given pilot has to get pissed off enough to leave, then he has to figure out where to go, then apply, get interviewed, get hired, give notice etc etc. It takes months from the time a guy first decides to leave until he's actually gone. So all the stuff that is happening now won't show up in recruitment till the fall or mid summer or so. Then it also has to be in sufficent numbers for it to be noticed (one or two guys leaving can be replaced fairly easily).
Eventually it will catch up with the training department though and the guys in rostering are going to have their hands full figuring out how to crew the aircraft.
Hopefully sometime before then it gets noticed and the package gets adjusted so it's competitve and they do the fair thing with the bonds and just transfer the existing bonds over to the new fleet for the Boeing guys instead of asking for new ones. Maybe some guys will stick around then, as it's actually a nice place to live and the guys you fly with are usually great.

Well all there is left to say is..the audience is waiting, the curtains have been drawn, but the fat lady hasn't started singing yet..and as we all know..."it's not over until the fat lady sings"..(hope I dont draw that straw)

The only thing some of us had going for us was the prospect for command in the relative near future. Since that doen't exist anymore, there is absolutely no reason for me to stick around. I'm just hoping I'll land a job before I'm cornered into signing a bond.

Ironbutt
 

Well you have not drawn a string but certainly kept the thread going, and the fat lady will sing, indeed.

This said, there is no point in her singing if it is only to repeat the past, everyone has heard that farting tune, few are interested and it would certainly mean the demise of GF.

What most would like to see, is that nespotism and despotism cease, Bahrainis, Omanis and in recent years expats have been more than just guilty of it, and they have basked in pool of vermine only of their own making; and it is still going on! That theft and corruption are handled in the most appropriate of manners and that precedents for once are made ton clear the road to a brighter future. AD does not have to look to far...it is right under his nose...

If anything, and in the ears of the general public and consumers alike, it isn't about making noise, but about singing, one of those tunes not in the glory of management but in the glory of those who wish to make a difference, take the right steps to make it happen and see their ambitions to change practices fulfilled, finally, so that the past does not repeat itself.

And so Mr. Hemingway, are you....feeling better?

Stay tuned, prozac is on next week!

What is current bond for Type rated F/O's?

None that joined in my class were bonded, as we were typed and current (6months) on type....not sure if there is a bond if you are typed and at least current within 6 months...

It seems that within the last few days a lot of Cabin Crew have started wringing their hands in response to rumors of a significant cabin crew cut-back-- how many, when, who and how?

I haven't seen anything official-- just heard rumors. Anybody heard anything more solid?

Heard that rumour as well...no numbers...with an average of 25+ resigning per month anyway..I cannot see that happening, but I dont have the whole picture available to me...who knows...watch and wait..interesting summer ahead...not time for the fat lady just yet:=

Flew with a fairly senior Bahraini CSM yesterday, he claims the office has said up to 400 cabin crew to get fired.

by the time the 767 is phased out as per recent rumours, we will have lost that and more due attrition...:confused:

My thoughts exactly, ironbutt57, with the amount of regular turnover in the Cabin Crew ranks, I was thinking a temporary hiring freeze would almost definately take care of numbers themselves, unless management also sees this as an opportunity for a "weeding-out" process in the staff ranks. :confused:

How many 767 pilots are there? and how many of those are ex pats?

9 aircraft with about 10 crew/aircraft...i'd guess about 90. Rough guess would be 75% or slightly more expats.

About 115 pilots in the 76 fleet. They claim they will need about 75 for the bus. "Counting on resignation" for the balance...
It's time to update your CV's guys..!

Now EY intends to compete on the narrow body network. Heard they want a fleet of either 73 or A320...
Food 4 thought

Is the ban lifted ,cause i just heard an ex-76 GF pilot has joined EY recently and he is hired on the 330 right seat (don't know if this info is valid):confused:

They are phacing of 767.But next order not yet confirmed:D

Reach,
the ban is not lifted as per now. The guy you are refering to had given his resignation before ....and then eventualy got hired with a release letter...!
Anyway it also came to me that EY is not taking anyone on 77 at the moment...Got to apply on the bus I guess..And that's only when the pressure on JH to lift the ban will produce its effect..

If GF pilots are to be made redundant, the only decent thing would be to lift the ban with EY. Good for both companies.

AD dissmissed a huge amount of pilots from SWISS some time ago and today they have grounded planes due to lack of crews. Go figure....:ugh:

It's still to early to make any conclusions. This is like a chess game where your oponent moves 1 piece and you cannot judge his game yet. The only thing with GF is that the Rooks, the Knights and the Quenn have been moved before the Pawns!

LNB

767 DECs
 

Just for curiosity...

Less than 1 year ago GF hired DECs for 767. The excuse for bad planning was, as usual, that they couldnt upgrade cause they were short of FO to crew the planes, BUT IT WAS ONLY FOR 1 YEAR CONTRACT. Speaking with one of then, he told me his contract is not for one year but open as everybody else. Now I am very curious to see what will happen to then since they are not type rated in the 320/330/340 unlike many experience FOs that they have bypassed once. Will they bypass us again?

The workers are worrying about their future whilst the leaders (some ex) are trying to get into EY under the radar....beware guys...
VPO & Flt Mgrs looking for a backdoor into EY....
:mad:

EY
 

I wrote this some days ago.
VPO facing a problem of going to ey becasue of ban he did himself.
Shortly will be removed cause he is Going.
No managment post offered to any from Gf.maximimu TRI.
this will open doors for guys who want to go ban will be lifted.
Prob for 767 guys.They only need bus drivers hehe..

EU
 

The new CEO is going inline with european business,
Same with Swiss downsize send people away(including Pilots) forget payrise,reduce service(skychefs,nannies) reduce routes and make profit.
This will never work here.
The airlines in middle east fly everywhere to get as much passengers in transit to the far east australia and so on.
Gf will not make profit from passengers visiting bahrain..(3 star 4 star hotels no entertainment no alcohol).look at all others they started a hub system Dubai Qatar .than improved their country for visitiors and business.
Bahrain wake up.Move forward dont make too much steps backward.
Might fall..!!

This is were GF is not making a profit.

Get yr facts right!
 

BAH DOES have 5 star hotels
BAH DOES allow alcohol
BAH is investing in development
BAH is one of the friendliest of all GCC cities
BAH is one of the nicest GCC cities to live in

Bus787 where do you get your information from both on Gulf Air and what will happen and Bahrain- I would strongly suggest you revisit your source/s:confused:

:ugh:

ODMEA, I think that what Bus 787 is getting at, is maybe that there are 'NO' 3 or 4 star hotels in Bahrain that will have Live Entertainment or Alcohol shortly!!! After all, your average tourist does not stay in a 5 star hotel, unless you are referring to your average tourists as F1 drivers. As a frequent visitor from Over the Bridge, the new government in Bahrain do tend to be doing their utmost to turn it into a place that is not very friendly towards Ex-Pats

ODMEA; the problem is that you are taking this comments as a personal offence but reality shows that Bahrain lacks of a lot of the above mentioned. No doubt you are a local guy but i'll try to show you the expat point of view in order to help you visualize the real situation in Bahrain:
As an expat, if i look for a possible destination for a holiday, I'm pretty sure Bahrain wouldn't be in my plans since there is absolutely NOTHING to see or do here: No real resorts and I don't mean the 5 star hotel that you have in here loaded with fat guys, smoking sheesha watching a bunch of Eastern Europe hookers dance half naked but real resorts like the ones we have in Europe or America, with activities and attractions for the whole family 24/7.
About where to go in the city (Bahrain), well my friend, the options are very few: BJ's, JJ's, Wranglers and lately Z club; Shame S*+&..t, different places (the difference is that BJ's and JJ's are loaded with drunk american navy guys trying to score and Likwid and Club 7 loaded with local with the same intentions).
About city tourism, well, don't think anyone is going to pay any money to come here and see the Pearl Roundabout, Seef Mall and the Tree of life!!!!!!
C'mon ODMEA, all you local guys have to face that this place is just a small island with nothing to offer for the tourist man.
To top this up, do you realize that there are only 22 countries in the world that can get the tourist visa at the airport????? The other countries have to apply for a business visa but through a hotel, and not always this is possible because many times, this hotels get very difficult (don't forget that the only embassy that Bahrain has is located in Washington D.C so believe me that nobody is going to go there in order to get a visa for a place that has nothing to offer).
Well, i'm pretty sure that i am forgeting a lot of reasons for not coming here but i'm aware that you'll start throwing arrows against me, then, i'll have the chance to give you more examples of this. Cheers mate! :E

:\ I was offered the A-320 conversion course to be started last sunday. Went to fleet office to find out, talked for a few minutes with the coordinator and haven´t heard anything ever since. Any of you guys have any information about this course? Did it started? who were the "two lucky F/O" who started this conversion?. Cheers!

Well, I've experienced this situation b4 and based on that, and only on that, can tell you that this is a normal cicle in every company. My previous one, downsized on 2004 and now, they order 10 B-787's, opened new routes to Europe, already brought new F-100 and some extra MD-83, and B-767 to complement the actual route structure. Totally agree that we can't let complacency to overtake us but let's give Mr. AD a chance (let's say 100 days, the famous 100 days) to see what happens ok? Then, after this time period, we can start taking conclusions and maybe, start applying for other companies; meanwhile, strongly suggest to keep a very, very low profile just in case mate.
Tail wind on CRZ!:ok:

CGK
 

By the way, wondering how many will miss so much CGK and the famous massages of the Ciputra Hotel (well, some got nice massages outside the hotel as well). :O :O :O

Not only immaculate but the quality of the service is amazing. On top of that, it's a lot cheaper for us to go to europe with QR rather than GF "our own company". This is unbelievable. MAD-DOH-BAH-DOH-MAD for 44 bd (taxes inclusive). With GF BAH-LHR around 70 bd (roung trip ID-90 SA). How's that????????

The "fat lady" has entered the stage!
Check your webmails.

Just checked it. Nothing new (last e-mail from 14/03/2007). Can you tell us what you've seen? Cheers mate!:rolleyes:

It's a press release that is going out today. Nothing earth shattering. Lots of cuts in long haul routes (Dublin, Jakarta, Hong Kong, Sydney, Joburg etc) to refocus on inter gulf network. Down to 28 aircraft, refit of interiors, 4 A321 joining the fleet, some 340 replacements with 330's, all Boeings going away and lots of staff cutbacks to come (majority they are trying to do through attrition). That's about it, about what is being expected.

That being said it's nice to see it before i read it in the GDN for once, at least Mr. Dose is much better with corporate communication than i've seen prior to him.

any cutback on 767 pilots? :\