:\ It can be worst man! Imagine ourselves with a side stick on the "mini bus". We're going downhill, on skates and no brakes. God help us all

Listen matey with the f:mad: ng brown nosing ironbutt has done on this here forum I wouldnt be surprised to hear him expecting to get a direct TRE on the darn A340.

Ahhhh tis nice to dream so be my guest me baldheaded biker boy.............dream on, dream on.

Ouch!! Thats a kick in the rocks for the FO's who thought they would get a 76 command out of sequence with seniority. Now you come to 320 you will be in a very long Q for an upgrade. Previously the seniority on 767 meant you had a shorter wait for left seat, but now the system is equalised. No worries chaps it only take about 7 to 10 years from date of joining:D

The nerve of you young lads is just mesmerizing :D

Good to hear that there will be no forced redundancies, been there, done that and i wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. But if i could be Devils Advocate for a minute...If this is what Flight Department is saying, has anybody asked the new boss? He seems like a hard nut and this policy would go against cost savings. I haven't reached overtime for the last seven months and if we are losing almost one third of the fleet and a HUGE amount of the route network i would imagine we will all be on 45 hours a month, just doesn't seem to fit with his stated goals of reducing losses:confused:

:mad: I think you are far off from what we thought when we came to GF. I never expected to get the left seat in a short period or jump all over you guys to get the left seat. The reason why I chose GF was because i had the chance to keep flying the 767 (only that) despite of the time it´d take to get the left seat. But for me, going to the minibus is not an option mate. Better you fly it and get some experience so you can even think about flying a wide body as Captain. Do you really think that with 5500 flying hours you are really ready to deal with a heavy airplane?????. wake up man, it takes a lot more than that but of course, flying in the region is not as challengin as flying in the NATS and believe me, 5500 are not enough to fly those areas.

And please, no hard feelings between all of us ok. We are on the same team (so far) and it´s everyones right to look for a better salary, position and even airplane. Cheers mates

wow. gutsy speech mate. He's not as bad as he looks mate but admit his voice tone is quite too often too hard :bored:

Capt furry noballs
 

Sorry to detract from the subject , but I can only agree with you furry capt weeniemarbles, a country that drives Aborigines to extinction, has no foreign policy of its own and is afraid of the impeding invasion of the Indonesians is "civilised".

Hence probably your presence here because all the Indians are getting the jobs that you are simply not capable of doing back home.

What a man of courage you are.

Civilisation is not a property of Australia or the west but the title to describe many of the attributes that make up a culture nation etc...

Sorry had to say this one could not keep it within. Was I speaking outloud?

Civilised? Still? or barefoot pregnant and in the kitchen?

Me think that capt hairy balls just had his undercarriage checked for corrosion:}

come on guys... 320? 340? does it really matter, they both have their pros and cons. 320 looks like better for family life... home more nights (I think) but tougher pairings. 4 sectors a day? can be busy, but is not a killer unless you happen to be up a bit late the night before, More fun as far as I'm concerned; it's all about T.O. and approach, the middle bit is a bit of a yawn. 340, much more relaxed but longer pairings.... MUCH better destinations and overnights, but with 6 or more day pairings, the family life takes a bit of a beating. Either way you look at it, they both have their merrits and drawbacks too. 76 was nice, a bit inbetween the two. (just many good destinations)
A C-150 would be just fine for me if you paid me the same as a 340. Chance are I'd be home more. In the end, it's just a job. Depends where you want to end up. Long haul is not for everyone.. a puddle jumper (plastic fag jet?) will suit some people just fine.
Cheers.

Actually I'm holding out for a Space shuttler commander position...better per deims...fewer sectors:rolleyes:

opening doors
 

Rumours that ex VPo trying to go to EY same position.
he is offered Trg capt.
prob he was the one who wanted the agreement with Etihad that Gf pilots cannot go there.
he is now working hard to remove it.
Dont spit on the skies it will fall on your head..!!!

The Exodus to continue?
 

Maybe AD is planning for a lot of guys to leave?

The problem is, though, that if Etihad and Air Arabia continue to offer significantly better FO-salaries than Gulf Air, and with the business picking up again in Europe and North America, and with rumours of new bonds to be imposed for transfers to A320, the new board could soon be facing a situation, where they won't have enough pilots to drive their birds.

Now THAT would be expensive!

But okay, let's wait and see, perhaps they have planned for this option as well?

Most of us Boeingdrivers came to the Gulf to fly heavyclass longhaul. Personally a jump to the A320 doesn't scare me, even if it includes a new bond, but since I would be able do the same type of job on my homecontinent (which I actually used to do), for only a little less money, but with unions (and friends and family a lot closer by), I would strongly urge Gulf Air to carefully consider their salarypolicy.

A saying like "We can do it" can only motivate a guy for a limited amount of time, money normally speak louder...

Hairy Balls: what was that about?? Ironbutt was joking and u come in guns a blazing. also you have no idea about the guy he is WAY WAY more sensible than most of us at GF. u need to relax and be more professional

astro not..... butt, especially if they pay per mile flown. 2 orbits around the globe you will be retiring on touchdown.

GF in shambles gentlemen. what's the recourse for us?. Alot of people keep saying they have seen this before and there is nothing to worry about. Complacency set in amongst the folks that have been here a while. The industry has changed. Fuel (yah yah its subsidized in some form or the other) and insurance cost are not what they use to be. Furthermore the neighbouring airlines are taking advantage of the up trend in the industry. Most of them have truck loads of cash. GF wil be the small fish in a big pond in not a too distant future. If you look really hard the gold livery on GF aircrafts is actually brass, worthless in my opinion.

ummmm......hello!!

Is it just me...or is there some absolute wallopers on this thread?

latest news
 

11 heads are out.....

Confused
 

Can anyone help.

Have seen an article in Arabianbusiness.com saying GF will scrap SYD and DUB. I called GF SYD who totally denied pullout from SYD:hmm::confused:

Anyone at GF in BAH who knows what the real truth is here?:ugh:

The times they are a'changin at GF that's for sure!

ODDY:)

It must be true....it's in the GDN:ok:

Erasing Past
 

SYD.DUB.JNB out .Is gulfair really restructuring?Or perhaps just trying to remove all that has to do with JH.??
Seems that these flights wer doing well.
Now GF leasing 3 A340 .from THAI..Who is actually leasing old 340 s nobody.Are GF 767 that bad ?even old 340'sare better??
Have to be seen.
Prob a new Falcon soon to come.

Frustrating
 

Everyone comes on and makes statements regarding what's going but hardly any of you quote who your sources are or even if you work for GF?

any further comments bus787???:ugh:

odmea update urself
 

read GDN online.statement from new GF Owner.
If u want more it said more news to come next week as regards job cutting.
Wats more?? ATH perhaps??Sky Chefs??
Back to the Future.4years back.

With all the constant chopping and changing of management and all the nepotism and corruption that has gone on over the years...a select few has destroyed what was once a great airline.

People have been appointed to positions that they were not equipped to handle, they were either well connected or were yes men for the big boys.
It really is pathetic to see all this going on and no one does anything about it simply because they know their time to feed from the golden falcon will come!

Can GF survive when Oman eventually pull out?....I fear not but for the sake of all those hard working staff I hope it all works out.
AD does not have the credentials to sort this out, his track record does not fill one with confidence....yet another bucket load of money will be wasted on the promise of a new begining...major surgery is required if this company is to survive. Bite the bullet, swallow your pride. and get a major airline management team to sort out this mess before its too late...

Good luck to you all:ok:

Only way out.
 

In an area where people are used to be pampered by silver ware,beds with quilts,smelly perfumes and all.Gf has to forget about making profits.
The competitors are just giving the luxury service with no profit so to survive in this market GF has to do same.Luxury suites on board gud food is wat makes the passengers around travel on GF.
Try to make the money on the people who travel on Gf while in the respective countries l.Look at DXb and Qatar and Abudhabi they serve you with all even with limo.When you in the country they rip you off with expenses.Same owner govt is still making money from the same passengers but the airline is used as a bait to take you in.
bahrain should do the same .

Actually Bus787, your last post has some merit...unfortunately don't think GF is in the same position the other carriers are at the moment

:D Yep quite agree noflare, the cheating, theiving and overall incompetance of Senior Management has come to a head...
Fingers crossed it can be sorted out.
The Swiss are not the ones to do it..get someone with a proven track record..but then again who would want it!:eek:

Sadly for GF, AD was third choice to run GF.

From what I can see and hear, the guys currently running GF (and its AD and his Roland Berger consultant friends - whom GF is paying a lot of money) are looking at flying to profitable destinations. If that is there criteria, then you might as well chop 75% of GF routes as they make no money after all the associated costs.

DUB and SYD are doing well with good load factors in ALL cabins and the summer is looking strong on these routes.

Most of the routes are going to chopped within a few months and guess what, that's the start of the peak season when most pax are paying higher than they would have during May or November.
So, even though one of the "values" from AD is Customer Service, you Mr AD are going to leave many unhappy passengers high and dry during the all important holiday period, and will they want to fly GF again, let alone recommend it to a friend ?

Oh, just to show that AD is in it for himself, like JH and those before him, ZRH will be one of the new route that will be launched.
Ok, lets assume ZRH is a good destination, how long does it take for a route to establish itself and GF as a brand becomes known ? I can tell you this that it needs at least 12 months - so much for "profitability" (another value).

Amongst all this, lets hope though that the legacy of AD will be that he got rid of some of the the deadwood and crap bahraini managers.

My thoughts also.


From personal experience:

A R/T economy ticket BAH to LHR or DUB was has always been much higher then a R/T ticket LHR or DUB to BAH. And DUB to BKK/SIN/SYD seem to be the cheapest going.

The problem with GF is that their profit comes from conecting the Bahrain/Eastern Province expats with Europe or the Sub Continent and the European conecting traffic to SE Asia acted only as seat fillers. Unfortunately, just like with it's overbooking practice in the 90's, GF seems to have lost the plot.

MikeHunt: Latest News..11 heads are out?

Is that an aggregate up to yesterday or is this an additional 11?

Where any of these "heads" from before the JH era?

bus787 wrote:
Huh?!?!? To survive Gulf Air must do business with no profit expectations?!?!? :confused:

That sounds to me like going to work as a hobby.

Oh man! Air Arabia and Jazeera Airways must be doomed!

Well PJ not that I don't understand what you're saying, but I'm sure some will be considering working for GF as a hobby since there are not many expectations one can have with the airline for a long time to come. Those of you who believe the airline will prosper soon are living on Mars. Thing is you may never know. I personally think it will, but it will take at least 5yrs to start coming right. Slightly too long for the young and ambitious I would say. Especially when there are no guarantees. I feel sorry for all those F/O's who's dream of oneday becoming a commander have been totally thrown out of the window. I feel more for those experienced 767 F/O's who will be taking many steps back in their careers by going onto the 320 and signing bonds. The commanders will be happy. Most will take it as a new challenge going DEC on a 330/340....wonder what they would say if it were DEC 320????but then again when your options are limited you tend to take what you get right?

Let's just hold our horses a little, gentlemen...

Before we allow all of this to run out of hand, why don't we wait and see, just how many soon-to-be-ex-767 FO's are actually going to sign the trainingbond for the 320.

If you consider the published fact, that easyJet will bond you for 3 years on £17000, approx. €25000, then it is very difficult not to smile at Gulf Air's ditto. We are talking 23000 Bahraini Dinars, which equals almost €46000.

I do know, that I was conditionally positive about signing a new bond in a previous post of mine, but after having given it ample consideration, I suspect, someone in the Pink Palace must have left his sense of reality on the planet of Melmac.

And then again, in the best traditions of CRM, I share the question with you, gentlemen:
Is there actually something utterly wrong here...or do I just have s#*t for brains?

We're not talking about the real world here where an airline must be profitable or go under, where an airline will grow to the size that the market dictates. This is the Gulf. This is where three tiny countries, in terms of population, will have 350+ widebodied aircraft between them. Why? Because their governments have said it will be so! Are they profitable? I very much doubt it. Do they care? Probably not. If Bahrain insists that GF must be commercialy viable when no other carrier around here has to be then fine. But if they want to play by those rules then GF should be allowed to fail and close down instead of being drip fed on a life support machine. This is what normaly happens outside this region, sink or swim and let the market decide. I don't think you can compare a National carrier to the likes of Arabia and Jazeera. If GF decided to become a small A320 operater just flogging around the Gulf and the Sub Continent with similar conditions i am sure it would be successful also. Maybe GF should think about doing that anyway.

BTW...My training bond for the 330/340 was ONLY:eek: 14,500 BD, are you sure the 320 is alkmost double that?:confused:

Bhd 23000
 

Last I heard, but of course I might have to stand corrected on this issue...:\

This thread is so f**king confused that I wish to make the following points b4 i am swamped:
1. If you are redundant, you are out of a job - NO FURLOUGH!
2. If you got a 767 rating after a light turbo-prop, what are you complaining about?
3. If you thought you were getting a command OUT of seniority, and it does not happen, thaen how can you be disappointed?
The 767 guys had expectacions that were not realistic, and would only continue while VPO (Hameed Ali) was ignoring policy in OMA and Fleet Transfer Seniority. Unfortuneately, this is now catching up with everyody.

Standing by for arrows in my back!!

Anyone knows whats going to happen to the 6 Second Officers who are currently doing their 767 rating course ?

Newbie

Not sure and maybe they themselves aren't either

but at least they're able to witness from the start just how badly

run GF is

and not just from the Top, incompetence is rife in this outfit

sad , some nice people here

Beam me up Scotty

S.L.