I‘ll say it a different way. It’s poor form for someone with their first post (regardless of generation) to flippantly dismiss what some of the very level headed and experienced members of this forum has to say. And that’s in no way directed at you, I happen to agree with you assessment in the preceding pages.

Eish.....I'll say it then. Yes, it was an off the cuff comment but hardly worth the condescending diatribe you launched into. Don gets it and took it with the spirit that was intended. To use your own logic, you should zip it because the seniors here have spoken.

Nope.... never said someone (new or not) can’t disagree.

This starts to read like something leaked from the Fragrant Harbour section...

Ok, I think you are talking about respect towards seniors and I fully support you on that. However, it is virtually impossible to determine the seniority of posters on this forum. For all we know that first poster could have been a 95 year old Korean fighter ace, looking down on a boomer as a youngster (after his millennial great grandson taught him how to use the box of tricks). It is just a joke, but I hope it illustrates that first posts really does not mean anything.

Yup that was the extent of what I was trying to get across!

Oh FFS, people’s lives are being upended and now there is a bitch fight about who said what, who called who a nasty name, who joined first, who’s been in the Middle East longest. Grow up. This thread is about more important things than subjective offense being taken by what appears to be some very fragile egos. Careers have been interrupted, if not terminated. Partners, children, whole lifestyles have been affected with social and psychological trauma that may last for years. Focus on that, not petty nonsense.

There you go Sandbag, get it all out! That is how we will survive this, by venting frustrations, giving advice, sharing warnings......all on this forum.

Sandbagged :D, at last some sence

Good grief, I thought us in the Fragrant Harbour were a bunch of muppets. But you lot ... good grief!

Going on about he said, she said.. Seems a bit like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.

The last 20 or so posts should be cleared off by the mods.

Let's get back to spreading awareness of how badly EK has treated it's pilots. That's why we're reading this. Not schadenfreude, but more making notes so we can be prepared/avoid the same outcome.

We all come back to this part of the interwebs continuously to find out what he said or she said. It is a free choice, if you don’t like it, just leave......sounds familiar, no?

Can you guys get a room?

This thread is about the latest developments regarding redundancies in Emirates and rumours about what it is to come.

I'm not interested in who is right or wrong about the 'pressing 2' subject, because both are right and both are wrong. That's what happens when you generalize. There were people unjustly made redundant because of their real sickness. The cancer example makes my blood boil. Cabin crew have ongoing pregnancies examples too.
And there were people with a target on their backs because of their unfair use of the sickness self reporting procedure. Some just used it sparingly to avoid this or that instructor on a PPC, or a command upgrade SIM or flight, others used it to avoid undesired destinations. Others to 'manage the roster' if they felt that they were flying too much. Others for parties or to attend concerts and similar. Some for all of the above. Were they the majority? I don't know. I prefer to think that they weren't but I'm not sure.

Do I think that they deserved to be made redundant for that? Hell no, except for the 'all of the above' kind of guy or the abusers. It's not fair for the rest. But these kind people exist in every organization. There's people that choose to use all tricks, fair or unfair, to their advantage, and they don't care about the one that is called at 3 in the morning to report for a Shanghai, Kabul a Lusaka-Harare or a 4 am PPC or Command Upgrade LOE. I was the one they called in 'all of the above' kind of cases. But that is not the subject of this topic. We can open another thread to discuss about it, and you can imagine in which side of the discussion you'll find me at.

Mark Twain was right, “Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience”

146, you completely missed my point. It’s not all about you. I hereby apologize for my unsuccessful attempt to inject some maturity and empathy into a discussion on terrible events affecting good people.

Name calling is a sure sign that you have nothing further of value to add.

Please. Enough nonsense! Back to the THREAD TOPIC... I'm sure it's not just sickness that leads to being chosen for redundancy; Performance, Fuel uplift, Attendance, Use of 2 etc and thrown together into some sort of computer algorithm. WE on the coalface will never know...

Easyjet had a pretty good non punitive FRMS so using sick as a measure to get rid goes against best practice.

Easyjet now have an Ex Ryanair COO and part of the CV19 deal is 'productivity' improvements - e.g. throwing out the fixed roster and turning off the FRMS I suspect

And if sickness is used then no crew will ring in sick for fear of another cull.

Crap times all round

Safety is and will be reduced caused by HR . What a mess the industry has because me . The bean counters are rubbing their hand together loving the future. Management might not be sleeping well when ELOM data starts indicating some frightening stuff .

Im sure EK is not the only one but to toss out SE/STC/TRE on mass will prove to be huge safety error. The holes are lined up !

i know some guys who had been ****** by the trainer on their command or a sim - guess what these trainers are still here - some goods ones are being shown the door

and I think getting punished once for a slap should be enough - but not here it keeps sticking on your a.... even it not your fault just because nobody cares

Xulu

I'm sorry, but this is the reason why people don't take these forums seriously.

Singling out people on your 'should have been sacked' list has grown part of the culture amongst many in this airline. I have heard it on a CRM day , from the instructor himself to the class detailing the lack of ability of an individual who was involved in an incident.

I wish you all the best.

Also expect new T&C very soon for all “new hires” which I’m sure will be made up of all the folks that’s complementing the heck out of the “greatest employer” of all time on LinkedIn for getting fired....... :ugh: