Pretty much.

Mos, you neglected to mention...

British pilots are better than Ozzie ones...
Every A380 pilot is short...and they practise saying Thsupa in the shower...
and lastly...I'm told, Harry wears his hat around spinneys...

Monarch Man,

As a super pilot, I should be offended but that was pretty funny:ok:

Icarus2001,

In fairness to the other guys, I had to reread your post about TA's 3 times before I understood what you said.....and I am a level 6 native english speaker. If so many people misinterpret your message, you need to examine it. Remember that the sender also shares responsibility for receipt of a message. Wasn't that the root cause of this incident...........

Au contraire MM; although the company likes to think so with the ridiculously tiny bunks in the newer aircraft:rolleyes:

Harry. Have a beer and relax man! I'm amazed to hear that someone has actually looked at the 'Uniform Manual':p;)

Upping the dosage of your meds might be helpful!

Damn...I thought it said "Unicorn Manual" Like so many of the other company manuals which don't exist for any real reason, like the Employee manual and that other equally elusive manual that contains the pay scales!

MM,


AMF will give you a 3 on RT unless you pronounce it "Thoooper" There is a procedural upward tonal inflection starting at the second "o" which carries up to the "r" which is held for 1.5 seconds at 2 octaves above a "male" voice most probably found in San Francisco!


The correct procedure calls for the use of hair gel, an operation in Bangkok, and a keen interest in watching college wrestling.

Thanks for proving my point, O' Devine fish.

Once was lost, but now I'm found.

Did you hear what the crew heard IN the FD? Or are you basing your (idiotic) opinion based on a tape?

All pilots must bow to your expertise. Where can I buy your book?

Really interesting read this, I am an ATCO, ex Dubai, currently Gatwick Approach.

My ATC perspective is controller error caused by a missed read back. Yep the passing of traffic information was good and should of enabled the crews to form a mental picture of the traffic situation and re-affirm their clearances. However that is not their job, unfortunately mistakes happen, and this is what this was.

Controllers leaning point, listen to read backs. Pilots learning point, try and be aware of the traffic picture, and if doubt question your clearance.

Am sure the ATCO will be beating himself up over this, in the end it was his error.

There s a 777 skipper at EK who in a previous job flying for an Asian cargo operator had an emergency landing and precautionary disembarkation on the runway in Germany. All 4 pilots still in pyjamas. Initially charged with endangering the safety of the RFF as they didn't know who the flight crew were and also went into the aircraft to search for said flight crew. A consequence of this charge could have been having flying licences revoked in Europe and Asia.

I don't allow flying in Pj's on my flights. As Harry says it's unprofessional and you have no time to change in the event of a diversion

Thank you Nimmer, and we appreciate the work you guys do.

LivingInthedream - I never said the SEY crew should maneuver and assume that the TCAS was not functioning correctly. I do not know WHAT they saw but they did feel that maneuvering was the safest course of action. They know the airspace has very little traffic. They likely, like myself, may have NO trust in ANY air traffic unit in Africa. They felt the situation warranted action and followed it.

No they are not heroes. It appears they did what they felt they had to do. So good work.

Pyjamas on the flight deck?
Not true, is it?

So I guess they charged the two guys in the bunk too for wearing them? Maybe that's why it says 'CREW' on ours? Most cargo operators change into civvies in the cruise.. I think I'll take my chances.

Bit of thread creep going on here, but anyway....

For most ULR ops most of the time there is loads of time to get changed, have a cup of tea and read the papers during a diversion- for large parts of the routes a diversion can be measured in hours, even for a "land asap".

not on my flights you won't speedbirdhopeful!

Events such as these are not uncommon. Reading the weekly ASR reports will reveal the frequency of such incidents.

Whilst good to generate healthy discussion on these forums, many are turning judge and jury without being in possession of all the pieces of the jigsaw. The fact that the EK crew have been removed from roster does not imply they're to blame for this event. It is normal for any crew involved in an incident such as this to be removed pending investigation. It's not a procedure unique to EK.

Thread drift? That wasn't the intention as many are missing the point regarding previous posts. Most of the discussions revolved around the event itself. My input was the possible deep rooted causal factor. It may or may not have been an issue in this case but if so, reflects a noticeable change in flight deck attitude within the last few years. It's not just one individual act that defines are professionalism, but a combination. What you do, what you wear, how you behave, that's entirely up to you. However, those actions have consequences. Whether we like it or not, we set the tone and are role models for the crew, both in front of and behind the door. You can't just decide on a daily basis how to behave. It's a mindset that sets your own professional compass and filters down to every other person on the crew. Contrary to previous comments, promoting high professional standards and being a nice guy to fly with are not mutually exclusive!

As for wearing the hat in Spinneys MM, you'll see me in Carrefour. Without a pay rise this year, Spinneys is banned!

Mos hit the nail on the head, I'll leave it there with this thread.

Harry

To 4HolerPoler
 

I hope there's nobody as cruel as you to post audio that can be open to misreading/listening and resulting in a keelhaul for the crew concerned!!

Take a chill-pill Groper - I merely copied an article from a global news-site. I hardly see that me posting a thread on PP has resulted in the crew ending up in the brown.

Not whilst operating but I recollect a statuesque brunette young lady FO who, unable to sleep, sat cross legged on the jump seat for a little while wearing her 'Baby doll' pyjamas :ok:
We WERE in the cruise and remained fully task orientated throughout.

This one is for Harry. Never mind PJ's, crew members at their stations in non uniform items and even doing the walk around! It's a miracle they even got off the ground.
https://youtu.be/l7sny3Z3KrM