EK Pay Review
 

All very quiet on this front..

Because nobody really cares anymore. There is an apathetic cloud over EK at the moment that will in all probability never be removed.

AAR still believes all pilots in the world want to work here. That's why there have been no significant improvements over the past half decade. He is still in place and nothing has changed. Don't expect something big to come out of this announcement, if anything at all.

Agreed, Mos

Historically when they do give, they give with the one hand and take with the other...cost neutral, or so it seems.
Expect a small increase, dressed up as a big one, and a corresponding change to bidding/FTL's to offset the cost.

Any guesses on the announcement date? Historically is was shortly after the Profit Share announcement. Last year we were delayed a month (for no apparent reason).

Any guesses for this year? I'm thinking another month delay (even though they've had 12 months to think it through) to which we'll get our usual step. Kinda like they did to us last year.

Same old $hit.... :ugh:

The only reason they delayed it last year was the runway problem. Why would anyone tell their employees they would be getting :mad: again during a critical time when they needed everyone on-side with the operation. Frankly it was a wonderful idea to delay the announcement until the problem was almost resolved! :E


Is this the last Thursday before the payroll cutoff for this month?
I think they will announce it quietly in an email this afternoon that we will get a 4% increase in pay including a step. I believe it is a requirement to make it vague enough that we think we will get more.

Good point TOGA...

I'm betting along those lines. This afternoon around 15:59 and TCAS will push send.

Fun times.

Well, it has not been quiet. An article was tactically placed in the Gulf News Business part three days ago: It said that the companies in the UAE seemed to be "reluctant" to give their employees a raise although it would be deserved. Apparently they don't want a racing spiral to erode their ever mounting profits.

Now we know that when it goes for a race to the bottom for UAE workers, EK employees are set equal to all other UAE employees and certainly not part of the pampered and teflon coated government employees.
But when it goes for a race to the top for UAE workforce, EK employees then are suddenly semi-government workers and not to participate in this hike and, mind you, not subject to UAE labor law!!
Huge increases for government employees however then push us down to normal UAE workers again, and so on and so forth .....

The article seemed to me to prepare us that there will be no increase. They will up the package for newbees, but not for us.

Ladies and Gentlemen this is your captain, my name is ......

Firstly let me welcome you to our flight today. I am sorry if any of you are upset by the sight of the crew all holding mugs of Costa coffee, sadly it is needed for us to get through the day.

Please show a little consideration if you happen to come across a sleeping member of the crew during our flight today, they were probably working on the other side of the clock to what they were doing yesterday, but you will be glad to know that it's all legal and approved by our senior managers.

If you hear or feel a vibration during the flight, do not be concerned, it is probably someone taking some controlled rest and snoring. Though please to highlight this in your comments online as we will get said crew member into our sleep lab to provide data for our endurance program.

With that I would like to wish you a relaxing flight.

Keep recovering all.

Step only and over time back to 78, that way it seems like a raise but really just gets us back on track from 2009 but still way behind on inflation. Won't keep anyone from leaving who was planning to and won't entice anyone who wasn't already looking. No improvement in QOL, we will still work to 90+ with min days off. 330/340 guys will not benefit at all. The beginning of the end.

I am pretty sure that a few of the grown ups don't just get together at Costa on thurs arvo to work out our pay review. The 1st May effective date is probably also known, as it has been that way for the past 17 yrs at least. So it would seem our pay review has gone the way of our rosters and leave. Held back as long as possible to ensure the power of the muppet tower is fully understood.

I wonder if an auto sent warning letter is sent to those concerned from the chief pilots office as happens if you are late with your pre PPC study?

No matter what the review says, be it good or bad, the timing of its release speaks volumes for the way of the future.

I really don't think they can help themselves. They have no freaking idea.

Incredibly disappointed with the lack of communication. Second week in May has always been the time for pay review details. Not even an email outlining when?

What are you all complaining about? You are lucky to have this job, there are plenty who can replace you, you already steal days off from the company, if you don't like it leave.

Yeh...bloody lazy pilots!

Sorry TOGA, I meant it as support, not as an insult. Remember, i ave been there and done that as well. No offence was meant.:ok:

TOGA, fair enough, my post was not meant in any way to be a slight on our colleagues or your good-self.
Sadly, the ship to redemption here has already sailed, the cultural cancer (downward spiral) towards this place becoming GFA 2 is well advanced, the policies to put certain passport holders in positions to make decisions far beyond their cultural, intellectual and competency skill set will continue this process apace.
Yet again we see that living in the corporate and cultural bubble of zero accountability merely reinforces the dogma that we all see and deal with on a daily basis, to live in hope for positive change is an exercise in futility and foolishness.
The continued policy of contempt and punitive undertones is deliberate and calculated, it is a corporate employment management strategy that gives rise to all the disengagement and resentment that continues to fester unabated.
Goodluck, I only have a few weeks left in this phase of my life, and I will refrain from posting anything other than the occasional cheeky comment on here from that time.

I think only a return to 78/80 hours would be a significant change, along with less constraints in our rosters.

At the risk of getting a mailbox full of "stop posting" messages, can I assure you quality of life increases by about 100000% when you leave.

It's great to see you're not even a little bitter.

Be prepared to be disappointed

fatbus I fear you're entirely correct. Had it been a package they were proud to offer it would have occurred last Thursday.


I will cringe when I click on the pay review email from fleet

And when you do cringe, why not spend 10 minutes of your time writing to AS & AAR expressing your disappointment, rather than sending the frustrations onto PPRune. When this Company receives a thousand letters from pissed off pilots then, and only then, are things ever likely to change around here. Frankly, there are just too many people unwilling to put their money where their mouth is. And don't even start with the excuses of fear and reprisals, your caveat has already been printed on the portal for you, by AAR himself. They're in such a mess right now that to be called in for a 'chat' for writing a letter, when the EVP has invited your opinion, would indeed be the final nail in the coffin.

Personally, anything less than a 5% basic pay rise plus the 3% increment would be a joke under the current circumstances. I'm optimistic that figure will be achieved. But then again according to some, I have been on the Kool Aid for the last 14 years or so!

Harry

Those hoping for something to cheer about will probably be disappointed. Management will not want it to appear that us pilots have corralled them into a corner and that they feel compelled to give in to what we feel is sorely needed.

I chatted to one of our colleagues who had AAR as a passenger on board very recently and the man himself said we had no problem with recruitment and that there was a steady supply of Boeing and Airbus pilots from Ryanair and easyJet, waiting to fill the ranks.

Whilst we all know that AAR is the village idiot, he is certainly not going to suddenly give in and allow himself to look like one, by doing a U-turn on what he has been openly saying.

No way! Never stop posting, you give a thin ray of hope! :ok:

Only the jealous and self-justifying would post hate mail. Ignore, and enjoy watching the slow-motion train wreck you escaped.

Does anyone know the years of service when the cutoff for the 3% applies?

Cheers,

Oz

Ask HR, get them to earn their keep. Why they stopped publishing the scales 10 years or so ago I'll never know. It's part of our remuneration package so you'd have every right to ask the question.

Harry

The top at present is 60,090. As an alternative to calling HR and having no one answer the phone, you could work that back with a calculator.

Dropp

I'm good with math but what formula are you using might i ask?

From what I can see, there is more formula involved then just take the top pay and divide. If so divide by what?

Not trying to be a smart ass, just trying to find the easy way that you are alluding to. :ok:

There are 30 steps. Length of time to get there depends. Being frozen on steps a few times has delayed most. Chaps like drop have had the total of a full 0.5000% pay rise in the past few years.

Rim,


Get your pay, multiply it by 1.03, note answer answer. Repeat.

I honestly think it's too far gone already. Even a massive pay raise wouldn't stop people from leaving who were already planning to nor would it attract anyone who wasn't already interested. They have left themselves with nothing to sell. Come to EK and we will pay you below market rate and work you to the legal max. Who would do that now?. If pride cometh before the fall, they are due for a big one. Part of me wants to stay to reap the benefit of their desperation when they finally do realize how well and truly screwed they are. Removing AAR is the first and long overdue hurdle on the road to recovery but I fear their hubris will blind them to the bitter and rapidly approaching end.

Rim

Its in the 'Emirates Private Forum' someone has gone to the trouble of doing the math for you each year here...

http://www.pprune.org/emirates/45145...ml#post8523873

AAR and STC don't have any intention to change for the better our contract.
I believe that they really don't think the situation is so bad.......

QOL is the issue, then $$
 

- the Health is going with the flying

- the families are splitting as they dont have enough quality time together

- insufficient physical and mental rest.

Ideal formula !!

Kernow 101

The link only works if you're registered for the forum. Can you cut n' paste please?

The sooner people realize EK does not care about your QOL the sooner you will understand where you stand in the lever of importance to the company . Max productivity is the goal. Management motto is and will always be. , if you font like leave . They could care less about you.

I'm not sure that they could...

QOL is the issue....
 

Lets don't forget that, conceptually for them, the only difference between us and the volvo dirvers (with all respect) is the salary ...

Then supply and demand applies...

Helen

Or you could actually make the effort and join the group if you work for Emirates. More appropriate I think than asking someone else to post personal details such as pay scales on a public forum.

Harry

As they have set the profit target for next year they "must" have a budget and such already decided on the pay review. 2013 it came on May 15th..