How many Pilots have left/Leaving Emirates
 

It will include ATR and hercs and so on. I was at that road show. One can see they are very short of crew. And like jock says people are leaving here like crazy. To the far east and middle east. SA is on the brink of collapse and probably civil war. Heard SAX and link already lost a lot of pilots.

No turbo prop guys for now, because of the requirement for actual base training guys... Notice I wrote for now! Waiver for base training to be replaced by zero flight time in the sim is JET time above 10T, if I remember well.

...applied 10000 plus hours, Boeing & Airbus. Never heard a thing.

How many Pilots have left/Leaving Emirates
 

The way we understood it was it was still gonna take a while if they can get it anyway. But the shortage looks like it might in the future take it that route.

Real numbers......
 

I ran the last 12 months of EK Pilot Seniority Lists in some comparison software. Here are the facts for the May 2014 to May 2015 period:


- 123 resignations, terminations and "retirements" etc. :D
- 300 new joiners.:oh:


As far as percentages go, if you go on the current pilot numbers of 3776 then that's a 12 month attrition rate of 3.25%. If you go on the May 2014 Pilot numbers of 3598 then it's an attrition rate of 3.41%.


Next "wash up", see how those numbers go down when the BS is flowing thick and fast.:ugh:


It would be excellent and a lot more informative for those who have watched the recruitment DVD too many times, while tucking into the coolaid, if one of our more economically savvy comrades could come up with the real statistics on how much our TC's such as hourly rate and salary against inflation and costs of living in Dubai have slide down the crapper over say the last 1, 2, 5 and 10 years. Then we would all have the facts instead of a post that drifts like the infernal sand.........:rolleyes:


Remember, a good Pilot knows he should just SuckItUp...........:ugh:

Hey SuckitUp

Based on those numbers what do you feel the current time is based on a 3% attrition for an upgrade is nowadays.

Cheers

So, to use your figures another way, Suck It Up, nearly 42% of all new hires simply replaced those that left. I would like to see figures on what that cost.

I'm not sure WJA.

That would be a tricky one that would involve a lengthy hybrid equation involving a heady dose of chaos theory, a factor to account for extreme levels of MGMT dishonesty and some tricky quantum way of quantifying non drinking, gym going, masters in aviation paperwork studying pilots willingness to beleive in the recruitment dvd, and non willingness to see what this industry has done to its skilled and dedicated professionals over the last 20 years or so..........:ouch:

I think we'd have to go to HR for help with generating that........:ugh:

I've heard that management has forecasts of it going to 10 years, yet they advertise, even on this site that the young guys fresh out of school can expect quick, wide body upgrades. I'M not smart enough for that, but my guess through experience would beleive nothing you are being told, unless your Kalman triple mix BS filter is set on maximum, and something coherent, and that will save them money or gains a staggering productivity increase at our cost comes out.

SOPS, yes that is staggering figure, 42%. Probably an acceptable amount if you are only a moderately ambitious carrier with a small yearly fleet or route structure growth. What does it mean here though???


Remember, a good Pilot knows he should just SuckItUp......:ugh:

Hey WJA, with your experience wait for 777 DEC or bust.
The Goose has initiated migration :)

At training college recently and got talking to an ex Ryanair F/O. Scruffy, miserable and no input all day. Not happy as he's going to 'have to do at least' 5 years before he gets a shot at command. Some of his fellow joiners are thinking of leaving too.

Excuse my ignorance here but some of these guys are late 20's with no previous command. They joined EK with 2500 hours and they're bleating due to a 5 year wait? Really? Perhaps they should have gone to BA and waited a minimum of 15 years for a short haul command. I've heard that 'Y' generation have a reputation for 'this is my divine right' attitude but that is taking the proverbial big time.

Rant over, back to my Tea and toast.

Harry

Oh Harry

You're so…… British! :-)

K

Thank you dear boy! ;)

H

Whilst there is no excuse for dressing like and having a face like a torn scone, perhaps any discontent is simply a case of 'the quicker I can get my command then the quicker I can leave this place'. Especially so if they are thinking of their exit strategy so soon.

6 months ago crew control were swapping people off trips so they would not reach productivity. Now there are more and more examples of almost centurion rosters (100 hrs with no augment).

I do not see any initiation to even acknowledge there is a crewing problem other than some recruitment road trips. With the extra SEA, DPS, MCO coming up, this is a frog boiling in the pot while driving into a train wreck!

Other than the inevitable refactoring of the factoring of stick and bunk time, they have squeezed everything from the pilot group that I can think of or personally give.

Flight Ops has lost the confidence of its pilots to the point where THY is attractive. Unless there are some serious contract enhancements and reductions in hours (which will take years to realize), 2015 -2016 is going to see serious resignations.

Wait, time in the lav is technically not on the flight deck.. Problem solved, deduct toilet time from counting towards the absolute flight time limits.

See everyone at the THY briefing, I'll be the one with the pile pillow.

Please don't give'em any ideas!!!

Count the time over Desdi towards the Annual Leave.

Exactly, I was travelling back to Hong Kong the other day from Europe with you guys and we were 90 minutes in the hold on the way in to Dubai. I mean being so inefficient you deserve to be on a 92 hour month. No more sympathy....

I use to enjoy the morning European flights but now avoid coming back at midnight.

90 Minutes at Desdi!! Must have been those foggy days a week or two ago.

Cat IIIB stuff and all…

K

When looking at this you also need to comment on aircraft numbers e.g. new aircraft / sold/retired. If the fleet has stood still then not bad, if it's increased then pressure is on