How many Pilots have left/Leaving Emirates
 

Do you know anyone who has left? What is the attrition rate at the moment? Emirates are desperately short of pilots on all Fleets. Rumour control, some flights have been cancelled as result of crew shortage and 5 380s going for "maintenance" GROUNDED as result of Captain shortage.
Interesting times!!

Recently flew with a 4 year F/O who is leaving. Well, left now I guess. Heading back to his old outfit in the U.K. Not Ryanair!

Even being this close to his upgrade wasn't enough to keep him here.

Lifestyle issues and an inhuman corporate culture. On paper, easily fixable issues but not likely with the management in place here, now. Sad state, really.

One guy just didn't come back from vacation...
Other one had his last flight with me...
Met another one in HR who is on his way out...
On the washup the Hr lady was lying to us that the the attrition rate is only constant 2,2-2,7%😄😄 and we have no problem with recruiting.
Guys from recruitment said they have app 5 applications a day. (In old days it was 75). These guys are going to the office
to pray that they at least can call someone as there are applicants with a total of 300h on B737.
Good times ahead. Come to Ek the best company in the ME.(NOT)
Overtaken by all other airlines around...
Well done management..

I once was proud to work for EK.... This has been taken care of by the management. Thank you...

Don't hold your breath for change...will never happen until one of the top 2 in the company clean the house.

Actually, I think the top needs to change if there is to be as big a culture shift as is needed. TC has done the job of building the business/commercial side of the airline. Now we need someone at the helm that has the strength of conviction to address the human resource side of the company.

They are saying attrition is less than 2%. Apparently, anyone who is over 50 and leaves is considered to be 'retiring' and not included in those numbers!

Wash ups recently pilots are being told that the flying is increasing and to expect 95-100 hours per month for at least a year. All while while HR maintains no one is leaving and hiring is not an issue (though fleet is admitting it is short and no one is coming).

EVERYONE is hiring now in the ME, Asia, Turkey, Asia......

There had to be some type of twist to the numbers, Trader! Good info on guys over 50 NOT being counted among the constant mantra we hear…. "ever steady 1.5 to 2%".

Could never understand that "fuzzy math" HR Lady would tell us all when we all knew there are a lot more leaving today than say 3 years ago… when we were all still being told at that time the attrition numbers were, "ever steady 1.5 to 2%".

K

It saddens me to say that Emirates has become like buying a leaky boat - your happiest days are the first, and the last. :(

Some very basic research tells anyone even remotely interested in applying for a flight crew position with EK , that to do so would be foolish if not just a big mistake. Tough times ahead for EK. Then again , is anyone suprised ?

Well, I guess people are still attracted. A lot of pilots in my airline are dreaming of EK. They just request to many hours for them right now..

Fireball can you please tell us where your airline is based?

In Panama ! And I know a bunch of pilots in Avianca dying to go to EK as well. I believe people need to find by themselves

Does EK have a seniority list? The advancement by the junior guy would provide the actual number of people leaving.


Or, like in Chicago voting, do they kept people on the list after they no longer exist?

It's not so bad at EK. Do you really work for them? I'm getting much better the pay I had with my previous employer and I get to fly better jets. You need to appreciate what you have if not, show the company and leave. Don't stay and nag. I know so many that are eagerly waiting for their hours to make the move to EK.

What was your previous job and pay?

Wait for the kids, Tom, wait for the kids. I see you are married and without kids...enjoy the extra income while you can.

Thom,

you might want to take off the pink goggles...

It takes about 4 Years to realise how much you have already lost from the contract you have signed...(lets call the useless paper a contract).

But I am sure EK needs you to promote paradise... as you must be one of the few that still considers this outfit worth promoting.... Najum is yours.... for sure..

Tom330

You are right .. What were we thinking ..the whole lot of us

Maybe with total submission our T&C will improve ?

Tom get off the Xanax please

Thanks for the advice Tommy, I am leaving...in 4 days. As some one else said...time to take off your pink goggles.

How many Pilots have left/Leaving Emirates
 

Guys listen. I have flown for a European carrier before. At EK so far I am happy. Maybe in a year I Will be unhappy. In my twenty five years of flying I have learned one thing. Management is the worst pilots enemy. When the times comes and iT sucks at the current employer , I will simply move on to greener postures.

I left last month after 3 years with the company. My only regret was not doing it sooner!

Greener postures?

halas

An environmentally friendly stance?

Hmmm....

It seems Tom and Smoothie need to wait six years down the road and see that they have taken a 6.5% pay cut in that time....

Or be on long term sick mandated by a Dr ...and seek permission to go to their home country to be with loved ones ....only to be denied ..

Or have their body decide that it's sick leading up to leave and realise that its punitive as against any other time of the year...

Or have tea & biccies after an unstable approach having gone into discretion only to realise that the 6o minute prior push back start of duty was actually when the skipper was doing the walk around ...

Or have a change in their staff travel Bennies to,the worse ...whereby your ALT does not cover the original city that you joined from because it's not on the EK network...

Or sit and listen to the in flight podcast where the 'The main man from Ek says "every flight ops crew to a man or woman is only delighted to be here'

Or watch our CC crawl into HQ sick and distraught when they should be in bed ..in order not to be disciplined...

Or have a manager at the slightest whim decide you need a CDT test ...

Or sit and wait patiently with a perfect record for eight years on the 330 then 380 for your command as the guy moves into a villa next to you who is 32 and never flown outside an LCC in the EU..and he strolls out to his car everyday with his "Golden 4 bars""

Or watch that same guys 1 & 2 year old screaming kids settle into their bizzo seats on their 1st annual ALT as you and your loyal gang jump into ten abreast for the 15 hr slog to the connection that used to be paid for that no longer is...

Or be under the constant week in week out receiving end of emails who's delivery is the polar opposite of what you will need in soft skills to pass the your upgrade interview .

Or go to a wash up as a four year FO and ask about DEC plans only to be told ..."not going to happen " ..then comes home, turn on his iPad amd sees the ad!

Or....oh never mind...

see you kiddies in Rock Bottom ... " dude She's hot ...EK is awesome!"

; >

f.

Best. Post. Ever. ^^^^^^

Excellent post flillion,
Smoothie and tom are either from ryanair or a similar airline.
Technicaljy they are ok but they only know procedures at best.

I recently flew with an ex Ryan air Cpt who joined in EK in right seat.
He complained about how a former colleague at ryanair was able to join as a DEC where as he a 9 year veteran at ryanair and a Ryanair TRI was not given the same advantage despite having joined one month earlier.

I finally had to take him aside and tell to put a sock in it.

We have some real idiots flying for us.

The seniority list needs to be respected, you get a number and you wait your turn.

Let me have my head bitten off.

I totally sympathise with the overall situation at Emirates, I can't understand why anybody would choose to go there with the current scheduling and overtime regime.

On the other hand I totally disagree with the whinging F/O's over direct entry command. Firstly in my opinion you should not leave your own home country to become expat in the first place without a command because it is your comrades who speak the same accent of the same country and who have been to the same schools as you who should be making you a Captain because they know you best. If they will not make you a Captain then nobody else should.
Secondly why shouldn't a 50 year old Captain who has been in the left seat for 20 years expect to be able to change company without having to start all over again.
In my view in the case of a company like Emirates there needs to be a fair balance between upgrades and DEC's unfortunately there are insufficient numbers of DEC opportunities.
Why anybody would currently go to Emirates in the first place though, I don't understand.

Kungfu,
On the topic of DEC and older DEC captains with relevant experience , I will agree that EK should welcome such candidates into the left seat. I believe such a number would be small but I would welcome them as our gene pool would be too shallow otherwise.

The problem at EK is that the company has recruited DECs who have had no previous wide body experience and no international time.
Many have come fro my (not) favorite airline Ryanair.
This has occurred withing the last two years.

This is shocking and it is the part I object to.

Hey guys, give Tom and Smoothie a break. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. Perception is 100% reality. Yes they are probably new and are obviously happy. Good for them. Their opinions are no less valid than anyone else's here. I
I've been here 11 years and I don't hate the place. It could be a lot better for sure, but there are plenty of places around the world that are a lot worse. Don't hate on those guys if they are happy. Wish them well instead. Personally, if they're happy, then I'm happy for them. Just chill guys.

Yardman

Tom, you are right to a certain extent, it is a matter of perspective and from where you have come.
However, where I do disagree with you strongly is in the simple maths of DXB and EK recent pay rounds.
Inflation is running conservatively at 15% pa we have been awarded our 3% annual increment plus 0.5%. So in effect we have had a 23.5% pay cut over the last 2 years.
Ek's package used to be one of the very best going. Not surprisingly those who flew for it were happy and engaged with the company, working hard towards the best interests and goals for both parties.
EK's package has not kept pace with either inflation or the global aviation employment market. In fact it has gone backwards, fast.
The financial problem is one issue, the others include unsustainable flying rates, insufficient rest patterns to fully recover from massive time changes on ULR flights, not honouring contracted leave entitlement. Actually the list goes on a on, but, Tom, you are right it is a different picture depending on where you came from to the Pit.

You need to take a pill. The guy put a bait on a hook and you bit, he's laughing at you. Time well spent writing all that. :rolleyes:

And now back to original thread topic...

FACT: In the last month 11 pilots have left. 3 of those would fit in the "above 50" category. What strikes me is that 5 guys were less than 4 years in the company and should come up to upgrade, but chose to leave, also forfitting the provident money that would only pay out (at 75%) after 5 years.

Seniority list grew by only 4 pilots in the same period. Hardly enough to allow for any expansion, is it...

I have 2 years to go until 5 and then I´m bailing, unless there is substantial improvement to rostering and vacation policies, that´s my main beef.

I would definitely consider going back to my little liked Europan LCC as FO for quick upgrade. A stable 5/4 roster is worth quite a lot actually... Getting your roster 7 days in advance is totally unacceptable if you have a family.

Not sure how many leaving, but about 40 new joiners first 3 months of this year.

lospilotos :ok: +1

40 new joiners the first three month....... that means if it keeps like that will be around 160 in one year........ and how many they need??? around 500???
Interesting.......

The worst enemy of a pilot is another so 'called' pilot , when personal interests come into effect these pilots will use the elbows. That's what you have got to watch out for, their handicap will be compensated for by their elbows. As for the ME companies they will "own" you, some straight of the bat while others will allow the new "maid" to get used to the lifestyle , but they will ALL pretend they OWN you after the break in period. This is what is being felt and referred to with disgust. The two buckets with either sh@t/money and whichever first. So if you are bitching and moaning, the money bucket is insufficiently covered for, while the Bull is reaching tsunami levels and you have no exit plan/opportunity. I truly feel sorry for you , because now you are a property/asset. Unionizing is or will probably be dealt with very harshly from the governmental side so I recommend to be very quite and work on the problem, coz no one here will be able to help you. And I really would like to help like any other person would like to help.
Telling the truth is neither easy nor appreciated....

Actually JAA - you took the bit.

My and those of others posts have alterior motives - and it's working.

Cue title.

I'd like to know where his appetizer and main course are - judging by Toms current location.

f.

Boeingrestricted

There is no sense of EK owning us and I don't feel for one minute that EK own me in any way. We don't complain because we feel trapped here but for the very reason that we share frustration at seeing what was once a great company being greatly eroded to a shadow of its former self.

Take note that 40% of those that I have flown with in 2015 so far have expressed a desire to leave and have planned exit strategies in place.

There is very much life after EK and it is a life with a strong pulse in the present climate. A lot more will leave and this is the calm before the storm.

Always- what do you mean with financial issues!? If we exchange the salary from Dirhams on the EK career site, this is at the moment 7500 tsd euros.. With no expenses!? If my wife and kid would spent 50 euros a day. This will leave me still a large amount per month to save etc!? Can you collaborate what I am not seeing with facts expenses in DXB?

Tom watched this...
 

https://youtu.be/A53VRz_KhnY

Your experience may differ.
Present results may not indicate future performance.
Caveat Emptor.

The film is...well...interesting. Considering RH was escorted out of the building, Meydan was just around the corner, leave was being granted and rosters were well below 90 hours.

Some of this video is actual truth. Its up to the viewer to figure out how much.