MC - you have a Private Eyeesque level of wit which is very much appreciated - keep it up - a sense of humour will keep you / us going probably for a little while. Indian ranges - very funny.

Thanks always!

I wasn't aware of the difference in rate..

In the end of the day we spend money in the pit.. So the inflation ratio as per contract is worth bullocks..

I told a friend the other day that if you want somebody not to become a pilot just read pprune.
A lot of guys here say why would you leave your country if you are a FO and Dubai sucks and EK sucks, the house is crap, garden to small, management was rude to me and i have to fly my ass off and and and.
But i don't hear one guy on here complain about crime, rape, or murder. I don't hear guys complaining about not getting a job because he is of a certain race. i don't hear guys complaining that just down the street from him a man was stabbed to death 80 times with a screw driver while his wife was raped and his 4 year old daughter had to watch and scream don't hurt my daddy.(stuff that happens every day here and even more brutal)
i don't hear the guys complain that their houses has been broken in to 8 times in 2 months.
I don't hear anybody complain about his daughter getting 8 distinctions in school and can't get into university because she is white. That you have to live in a house thats caged like a jail. Where you can only fly for 2 airlines in the country because they are the only ones that employs white people and with that comes a salary that you can't even take your wife or your kid for a movie even flying 90 hours a month( on old equipment). And if i have to continue to tell you everything i will be here till tomorrow.
So conclusion. Weighing up your complains with mine I think i will take EK with a smile. Knowing i have a job and my family is safe. And my kids can stand a fighting chance in life with a future and education.

So guess which country i live in. And the guys wanting to come home. Things are bad and getting worse by the day.

They are getting bad and worse by the day here too 777 dreamer.
It is all relative.
Don't be fooled that EK is good for you. It will tear your health apart, test your sanity and fatigue you beyond comprehension. Your wife might not get raped here but what EK does to your mind and physic is just not worth it anymore.

lol777
You really make South Africa look bad.
Its not as bad as you put it.
please stay in DXB.
Its people like you that Make SA as it is.
We dont need you here anyway.

Yes it is. Those are all facts i mentioned. And yes you are correct in saying they don't need me at this point. But soon they will be needing every single south african to rebuild it. But you are entitled to your own views about the place as i am. And i must be honest mine after what i have been through is not positive at this stage. But all the best for you though.

Thanks LHR for the info. One last thing its not people like me that makes sa the way it is. It is the criminals unfortunately and many other things. But i understand the out look you have. There are a few with that out look.

Pilots caught racing at 200kph during road safety week

SUV flips over Dubai, Al Ain Road divider - Emirates 24|7

Might not be rapes and home invasions but every day my wife and kids are on the roads dealing with this. You take your life in your hands driving in Dubai...no kidding.

Well, South Africa sounds awful and I sympathise with anybody who can't return home.

However, with respect highlighting what happens in one country does not make what happens in another acceptable.

Also, why are EK not recruiting all the pilots who are trying to get out of SA? (serious question, not a dig).

lol777, just because somewhere else is 'worse' doesn't make here 'good'.

How many Pilots have left/Leaving Emirates
 

You see these are now good reply's. Management will always be a problem. Politics will be in hong kong in the states in south africa every where. What people want to know is howit is to live in. What to watch out for. Can you survive.

Can you survive.

The answer to your question is - longterm -

No.

The present rostering practices are not sustainable. This is not only a flight crew issue, it crosses all departments. Cabin crew reisigning in droves, engineers on forced overtime, on and on. It's systemic and thus, not possible to sustain.

There are pilots at the top of the seniority list who are retiring after 20 years service. There is absolutely no one hired in the last several years who will physically last that long. Sobering thought.

Using rape and home invasion as rhetoric to defend EK's practices is pitiful. If that's what it takes to make EK/Dubai look good, well...

mr good cat :

AWESOME VIDEO:D

Guys

I understand the current situation but what would the options be after EK!? Anything or certain gigs. Remember that 900 hours is the norm... Fatigue is all over our industry. You might get month on month off somewhere in Asia. Which will generate 500- 600 hours. But the commuting and jet lags will destroy you. After all, this type of ops is mainly DEC..

Marcelarse:

You continually prove your ignorance.

900 hrs is the norm at SOME levels in aviation. If you fly 900hrs farting around in your LCC in Europe or anywhere else, most likely 85-90% of your flying is when the sun is up... ...you know, that bright star that shines... ...but you'd have to pull your head out of your Marcelarse long enough to see it.

Flying 900hrs with midnight/2am/4am departures and crossing many time zones is too much. Way too much.

I've flown 900hrs at my previous company and by no means was it as tiring as flying 900hrs at EK.

Actually, lol777, the lady next door to me in DSO WAS raped, according to the police. The perpetrator, now in custody, tried our doors prior to going next door...

Lol777 ,


A few day ago a friend's daughter ( 17 years old ) has been raped by a taxi driver during day light... It's very safe here only because they hide all the information they don't like.
Many things happen but you will never know about it until it happen to you or to your friends.

Marsellus is either a complete idiot or EGT , in his spare time, being paid to peddle the company line. 900 hours is the norm? Only in companies theat have no concern for their crew's long term health.

By the way guys, the dogs say hi, they reckon it's great to have dad to take them to the beach, and the relief I feel is incredible.:ok:

SOPs congrats there young man, if there was a like button, I'd be pressing it for your last post.
It constantly amazes me the feeling of oppression that gets lifted when I'm out of Dubai, its almost as if the place has bad juju.