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Dropp the Pilot 25th Nov 2014 04:01

EK Resignation Tips
 
There has been a bit of movement lately. Might those who have pulled the pin recently and feel generous be induced to post a few things they have learned?

Were you able to send the proceeds of your provident A and B directly to an account of your choosing outside Dubai, or was it rendered to you here in dirhams whereafter you exchanged it and sent it away?

How much of your Provident was withheld until you were rendered righteous in the eyes of the company? When was that last bit paid to you? After you left?

How far in advance would you recommend closing out local credit cards and/or loans to ensure a hassle-free exit? Months before? Weeks?

AMEX 25th Nov 2014 04:45

I ll add a question.
- What happened to your leave if you had some during the notice period ? And after the notice period ?
Was it canceled ? Taken by you ? Paid ? Or were you offered a choice of what to do with it ?

Buford 25th Nov 2014 05:00

Great idea for a thread!

Dropp the Pilot 25th Nov 2014 05:20

Leave you have taken but not accrued is paid for in cash by you. Third-hand information but someone who left last June had already taken six weeks leave in the first half of the 2014. One of the last things the company presented him with was a bill equivalent to three weeks salary to pay for the leave he had taken but not accrued. He had to scramble to put the cash together as he had already closed his accounts.

As I said, received third-hand so maybe someone could verify.

fourgolds 25th Nov 2014 05:39

What about certifying of logbooks. I was told they will not do this as its " policy" , this is required by many future employers. Would appreciate any advice from those who have left as to how they got around this requirement at their future employer.. Pm is also ok. Tks.

thrustidle74 25th Nov 2014 06:29

I haven't left yet but wip. We are thinking about summer 2015.
I have a doc written by a guy who left 3-4 years ago but my neighbour who left last month says its still current and very helpful.
It basically outlines what needs to be done in what order. Apparently if you close your local account too soon you'll have some problems. This doc helps avoiding those issues I was told. I haven't read it myself yet.
If interested pm me your emails and ill happily send it out.

thrustidle74 25th Nov 2014 06:31

Re logbooks I've done it this year while converting to EASA. There were no problems. I can't see why it'd be a problem when you resign.

thrustidle74 25th Nov 2014 06:56

Re Provident fund my neighbour who left last month said he received a cheque, went down stairs and cashed it at NBD. It might have been his decision though, dunno if they'll give you options how to get your provident fund paid.

AMEX 25th Nov 2014 07:23

EK Resignation Tips
 
Thanks.
Another one.
Reading about the Provident and for people who stayed less than 5 years, End Of Service applies.
It applies at the rate of 21 days per Completed year.
Is it really the case or is it Pro rata ? So if you have done 3 years and 10 months, do u get EOS for 3 years or 3.9 years ( times 21 days ) or just for the 3 completed (and you forget about the .9)

flareflyer 25th Nov 2014 09:43

How come??? Pilots resigning??? But if everybody wants to join how can you live??? :D:}
You will not enjoy the result of the survey leaving now.......

Kapitanleutnant 25th Nov 2014 11:08

Anyone ever gotten a criminal background check verification from any authority in Dubai... Police I guess???

K

ManaAdaSistem 25th Nov 2014 12:11

The leaving procedure starts when you hand in your resignation.
Not when you talk about it here.

boarderdw 25th Nov 2014 12:43

Cheapest way to ship moving boxes to the US? Thx!

ManaAdaSistem 25th Nov 2014 12:56

The cheapest or someone you can trust?

GAC - Dubai

Old King Coal 25th Nov 2014 14:25

Get your pilot log book pages signed & stamped by your airline.

Ensure you take copy of all of your payslips (as certain entities will want proof that you were employed and / or want to confirm what you've been doing for the last several years).

Visit Dubai Police for a 'Certificate of Good Conduct' (you’ll need this, in the UK at least, along with your payslip history, for passing a 'Disclosure' in order to get a UK airside pass).

At least 3 months in advance of leaving, reduce your Credit Card limits down to small values (not the balance per se, but the 'limit' itself) and / or (better yet) return your Credit Cards to the bank, and use your debit card only. Make sure that when you give back your Credit Cards that they give you a receipt that confirms that the cards are cancelled.

Cancel any 'standing orders' against your Dubai bank accounts (current account & credit card accounts).

Cancel your motor insurance and get them to issue you with a ‘No claims’ certificate, this can often be used to negotiate a reduced premium for a 'No claims discount' back in your home country.

Contact shipping company for your personal goods.

Arrange DEWA for closing meter reading.

Arrange Etislut / Du to disconnect your landline / internet.

Arrange accommodation for last few days in Dubai.

Get final salary payment into bank and then close any locally held account(s).

Confirm End-of-Service Gratuity / Provident Fund payment (when, how, to where, how much?).

CAYNINE 25th Nov 2014 14:34

Also be very aware that if you ask the company to leave a week or two early they will deduct or bill you for the time you haven't served of your 3 month resignation period.

OnceBitten 25th Nov 2014 15:30


Visit Dubai Police for a 'Certificate of Good Conduct' (you’ll need this, in the UK at least, along with your payslip history, for passing a 'Disclosure' in order to get a UK airside pass).
For guys bailing out back to Oz i believe this is also required for the issue of an ASIC card.


Reading about the Provident and for people who stayed less than 5 years, End Of Service applies.
It applies at the rate of 21 days per Completed year.
Is it really the case or is it Pro rata ? So if you have done 3 years and 10 months, do u get EOS for 3 years or 3.9 years ( times 21 days ) or just for the 3 completed (and you forget about the .9)
I'm also curious to know the answer to this one. The EOSB counter staff didn't seem to have the answer.

CrashDive 25th Nov 2014 19:17

Once you've completed at least one year of servitude, it's all prorata after that.

fourgolds 26th Nov 2014 02:59

Does anybody know . What if you are just a few days short of 3 calendar months notice . I understand they will deduct salary and leave for those days . But what about your provident fund ? Can they refuse to pay you their contributions over the years as technically you are in breach of contract for not complying with 3 calendar months ?


Appreciate any info from someone who has had this problem . PM me please if you don't want info on public forum.


Tks

Pilot_Recruit 26th Nov 2014 15:39

Another one to add to the mix, if you resign before your bond has expired, does the entire sum of your provident (A+B+C) go towards clearing your outstanding bond or is it only your contributions?

Mister Warning 26th Nov 2014 15:56

Fourgolds - when I left I could only give 2 months notice instead of 3. I was docked a month's pay ie. I worked that last month of my 12 years for free. Thanks for your service.
On the other hand I burned up my outstanding sick leave. Oh, and leaving was the best command decision I ever made. :ok:

Lubeoil 26th Nov 2014 17:11

A warning for anyone with kids planning to leave in the summer:

If you leave Dubai in the summer at the end of the school term the company will screw you for school fees.
The situation is that Emirates divide the school fees by the number of days in the term (they include summer holidays of Jul/Aug as pert of term) and base the allowance on this. If you leave at the end of June at the start of the school holidays they will screw you for 100% of two months school fees to cover the money they claim they have paid the school for fees for the summer holidays. You couldn't make this sh*t up but after getting it all explained to me by the education people I ended up out of pocket by a fair few quid. This was even after getting confirmation from the school that fees paid were to cover school term and not holidays. Just another example of how this lot screw their employees and another sign of the contempt they have for their staff.

DCS99 26th Nov 2014 17:34

Including July and August as school term?

You have got to be joking.
But I know you're not.

I was told to be careful with the 21 day calculation as well for EOSB. I will dig up my note on that. It's not how you or I would calculate 21 days...

Al Murdoch 27th Nov 2014 04:29

I was wondering about the 21 days too. I get paid the same amount in each month regardless of the number of days, so how do they calculate 21 days worth? Maybe (monthly payx12/365)x21?

fourgolds 27th Nov 2014 05:15

Thanks Mr Warning. Please check your pm.

fourgolds 27th Nov 2014 08:17

Mr W

Sent it again , tks.

myekppa 27th Nov 2014 12:41

Sell your car and rent one as soon as you resign.

No maintenance issues.

No insurance issues.

No last minute haggling for a sale.

Hand it back at the airport.

The company process was organised and as advertised. Provident fund and retention money delivered when they said it would be.

Etislut the worst to deal with. I had a personal post paid number that couldn't be switched to prepay with Etisalat, but could be changed to DU keeping the same number. Early planning required as it takes time, a real GF but if you want your old number (or any for that matter) for your last week in Dubai….. Company sim is handed back about 5 days before you finish.

Watch out for school fees and leave. Didn't bite me but it has for others.

Cancel OSN early, or you'll pay an extra month. Same for your internet.

Provident fund shipped in USD to a USD account elsewhere when they said.

Early departures are contractually liable for payment of time in lieu and allowances already paid (housing). It's no different to any other mob and not unreasonable.

Don't expect a personal farewell but that's also up to you.

Gillegan 27th Nov 2014 16:11

Good advice to read the fine print regarding school fees and leave. HR was helpful in providing the information even before I submitted my resignation (I actually adjusted my leaving date to make sure nothing was owed).

The Provident Fund was paid on time and in full.

The final check bounced (really). There were problems with their US bank account. We arranged for a wire transfer but when I aked to be reimbursed for the bounced check and wire transfer fees, what do you think their response was? (I was just happy to be out of there)

Outatowner 27th Nov 2014 16:12

The hostie's option 'B' for those who don't plan to ever set foot back here again is to gradually ship belongings home on work trips, take out a massive loan, pick your last trip to home destination and party in the room on the airline's tab. Don't forget to leave the ID card on the bed.....

Kapitanleutnant 29th Nov 2014 18:54

Regards the Provident fund….

Can this money be sent to any financial institution of your choosing… say a bank in Shanghai for example? Any restrictions?

Thanks

K

Reinhardt 30th Nov 2014 16:23

What if you plan to go to Israel for retirement / opening a business ?

typhoonpilot 30th Nov 2014 22:23


Regards the Provident fund….

Can this money be sent to any financial institution of your choosing… say a bank in Shanghai for example? Any restrictions?

Thanks

K

The short answer is yes, as long as that account is in your name.

I imagine that was just a theoretical choice, but you do know that getting large sums of money out of China can be problematic?


TP

ramius315 2nd Dec 2014 08:00

If you hand in your resignation at 4 years and 10 months, to leave at 5 years and 1 month how is the Provident Fund calculated?

Facts rather than opinion would be greatly apprectiated. :-)

Jolly Foreigner 2nd Dec 2014 18:01

Service Reference
 
Anyone any idea how to get a service reference? Apparently EK don't give any sort of reference until after you leave.

777boyo 3rd Dec 2014 00:00

Service Reference
 
You'll get a "Service Certificate" letter on your last day when you collect your final salary etc. It merely confirms that you worked for EK, your dates of service, and your position. It does not refer to the outstanding (or otherwise) job you did for the company.

7B

Neptune Spear 3rd Dec 2014 05:18

Some of the Americans starting to leave now are not even waiting their 3 months. It makes sense since the U.S. airlines are hiring between 75-100 pilots a month. One waits 2 extra months and you are potentially 200 numbers junior. Over 25-30 years and that is huge.
Emirates being Emirates charges the pilots leaving $25,000 but you will be far better off leaving Emirates and starting your career in the US working for a good airline. One Emirates pilot even left for Jet Blue. Shocking but he was on the 330.

kotakota 3rd Dec 2014 05:30

That makes me laugh , about the Service Certificate . When I left BA ( at 55 ) they also would not give you a reference , good or bad , just the facts . Guess what ? When I had completed my interview with EK , they insisted I provide references from Training Captains etc , which was virtually impossible .
What goes around comes around !!

lospilotos 3rd Dec 2014 13:02

Just a reflection: A couple of years back it was the "EK interview"-thread that used to top this ME-sub section of the forum. Now it´s the resignation thread... Says a lot doesn´t it...

jack schidt 3rd Dec 2014 16:46

Put simply Los, many of us would rather be else where now as EK has really turned rather sour. The recent employee survey is for the purpose of an external company to read and try to advise EK on how to protect its precious brand name.

Shiny jets and pretty terminals are worth nothing if you do not have good/happy and contented people running them. The rot has gotten so deep that it will take a lot of effort to turn around this open negativity that the employees feel.

I sense a sure trend south in just about every reason to be in EK and as a result we now see people calculating their escape strategy, rather than the happy days of joining a company that cared for its work force. It took a major upheaval to bring the family out to the sand pit and disrupting them again is a hard decision but one that we will all see as a relief when the time comes.

Jack

lospilotos 3rd Dec 2014 21:44

Simply put Jack, I agree. Had I known what I have know now 3 years down, I had never joined...


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