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Al Murdoch 4th Dec 2014 03:26

Ok please let's not turn a useful thread into the usual slanging match - back to the topic please.

Neptune Spear 4th Dec 2014 12:57

As a 2 year FO I wish I never joined either and I am looking for my escape along with countless others, not just Americans as well.
Things have change remarkably in the short time I have been here but they are getting worse by the day and will get worse in the future especially with Expo coming.
The way the Industry is going we are due a pretty sizable pay raise but I know we will get Jack Schidt again.
I have not counted the resignations in the last couple of months but it has to be over 100 for the year.

harry the cod 4th Dec 2014 19:10

Neptune Spear

I'm sorry that it's not worked out for you here, many adjust and thrive, some don't. It's a big call giving up something to come out into the sandpit but you've lost 2-3 years. In the scheme of things, not much really and a tick in the box for life's experience. Hopefully you're single so less hassle factor.

As for resignations, the rate for pilots is around 2.5%. That's it. For an expat airline, that's nothing to be concerned over. The cabin crew rate, however, is a different story altogether!

Good luck in your future career!

Harry

Transformers 5th Dec 2014 15:55

Getting Back to the Original Topic...!
 
Is it worth getting a lawyer to make the exit plan easier, so they dont take out hard earned Salary away from us (extra fee's)...? Maybe as a group it could make it cheaper and easier...? Please PM me with your thoughts if it suits..!

nolimitholdem 6th Dec 2014 11:03

If someone's time at EK is considered a loss, it follows that it's a lot more sad to have lost a decade + than 2-3 years. So I guess Neptune isn't the one we need to feel sorry for.

I highly doubt that you're privy to the true attrition rate, Harry. Just a tip, but some of the things said in management wash-ups may not be entirely true.

Any attrition rate isn't particularly meaningful on its own anyway. It's more telling the demographic that's leaving, and even more so - the types they're able to attract as replacements. A ton of experience leaving and not exactly being replaced one-for-one.

Best wishes and congratulations to all resigning. You will find it to be the best decision you ever made and wonder why you didn't do it earlier. You only get one life, don't waste it by giving it to EK.

tornadof3raf 6th Dec 2014 11:45

Questions
 
If you go on HR direct there is an EOSB page, there is an EOSB calculator. Just put your proposed final day of service and it tells you how much you are going to get.

Anyone know the process for getting dependents Visas/UAE ID cards etc cancelled? Or do is that all part of the EK leaving process?

Just wondered if its easier to get them all cancelled first and then just have them live the final few months on a tourist VISA and keep doing a VISA run....

Also, our car has just had the finance paid off. I've heard you need a certificate off the bank or something similar to confirm that you are now the sole owner. Anyone had any experience with this?

Any advice would be appreciated, thanks guys.

ekwhistleblower 6th Dec 2014 12:58

Just contact the bank, 100 dirhams later you will have a release and then give it to HR to clear the Bank Guarantee letter.

Mister Warning 6th Dec 2014 13:24

Why all the questions about EOSB? Pilots get the provident fund, not EOSB.

tornadof3raf 6th Dec 2014 13:48

Not if you haven't done your 5 years.

0-5 years = EOSB + B + C account if used.

5-7 years = No EOSB but 75% of A account plus B and C

7 years + = No EOSB but 100% A+B+C

I think thats correct, please someone correct if wrong

flareflyer 6th Dec 2014 13:57

Are you guys really looking at leaving????
i wish you really all the best........ i am stuck here.......

OnceBitten 6th Dec 2014 14:36


5-7 years = No EOSB but 75% of A account plus B and C
Not Correct. it's the Greater of 75% of your A account or your EOSB. Same goes for 7 years, if your EOSB is greater than your A account then that's what you get.

It's all in the Provident Fund PDF.

The only thing that isn't clear is if you resign at 5 years, does your final day after your 3 month notice period need to be after the 5 year anniversary you joined the company or the 5 years from the date when you joined the provident fund? Or does your actual resignation have to be after the date of either joining the company or joining the Provident fund to be eligible for the fund?

Clear as mud!

Mister Warning 6th Dec 2014 18:36

Sorry all - policy changed since I got smart....

cerbus 8th Dec 2014 08:33

Fare Flyer

There are plenty of good jobs out there, just look at the want ads so I doubt very much that you are "stuck" here unless it is by choice.
At the very least an Emirates pilot should be looking especially with very dark clouds on the horizon.

FLY BY WIRE 8th Dec 2014 08:53

What Dark clouds are you referring to Cerbus?

Kapitanleutnant 8th Dec 2014 09:19

Flybywire…

Do you honestly think it's going to get better here??? By saying that, you're implying it will! Or….. is it possible (100% IMO) they look at any and all other ways to make our lives a bit for difficult, riddled with more ridiculous FCI's, and generally try to squeeze even more blood out of the proverbial rock.

Next will be half pay for all DeadHead's….

Go on believing this is the worst it will get, my friend….. I however agree, dark clouds are on the horizon at this place. Whatever and whenever that maybe…. Ek will always be looking at squeezing us all even more than today, even though colleagues will say, "how much more can they do to us?" And then a few months later…. they find something, somehow, someway to indeed make it worse.

Will the fun ever stop here? :-)


K

Al Murdoch 8th Dec 2014 13:41

Has anyone had any hassles getting that ridiculous Etisalat phone guarantee (the one for using your phone abroad) removed? I actually don't have an Etisalat mobile anymore, but the guarantee is still there. I don't know where to begin really as they won't even acknowledge that I had an account with them.. Clowns..

FLY BY WIRE 8th Dec 2014 16:59

Quote:

Flybywire…

Do you honestly think it's going to get better here??? By saying that, you're implying it will!

Quote:

Honestly not trying to imply anything. I don't know anything about it, which is why I asked the question.
I have applied to 'The airline that can't be named', so I'm curious as to the way things are in the UAE for Emirates guys and for guys down the road a bit. That's all.

Temujin 9th Dec 2014 01:19

Al,

Phone Magida (067144324)
Provide the mobile number and ask for a mobile telephone clearance letter.
She will do all that needs to be done directly with Emirates, job done.:ok:

Cheers

T

Al Murdoch 9th Dec 2014 02:29

Thanks for the info.

sbradley737 10th Dec 2014 21:56

I'm only on day two of the resignation process and it has been a mind numbing and hair pulling experience. Links HR send you that they want acknowledged have no 'acknowledge' icon, annual leave destination and cargo destination is completely different to what my ALD actually is (where they came up with LAX when it was NEVER LAX is beyond me) and the lack of reply to email responses is shocking(none so far). Maybe if they put down their phones for a few minutes they could spend some time doing some actual work.

Best of luck to everyone as I am more than ready to leave. If you have any questions over the next few months I'd be happy to answer them as I navigate this process.

Machspeed 15th Dec 2014 01:34

attrition
 

Originally Posted by Neptune Spear (Post 8769510)
I have not counted the resignations in the last couple of months but it has to be over 100 for the year.

EK at 4.65% attrition rate.

Machspeed 15th Dec 2014 01:45

simple math
 

Originally Posted by nolimitholdem (Post 8771910)
I highly doubt that you're privy to the true attrition rate, Harry. Just a tip, but some of the things said in management wash-ups may not be entirely true.

It's pretty simple to get at least a wag on the "true" rate. Simple Math. But you'll have to have saved previous months Seniority Lists from the FOIP.

It was about 2% for last half of 2013 and it has moved up over the last year increasing steadily to 4.65%. Now it's worrying for those who have to answer why we can't open that new city on time or take a delivery on time.

LHR Rain 15th Dec 2014 04:56

It is not as simple as watching the senority list and adding up all the pilots that have left.
There are at least two pilots that have left recently that are still on the list, one pilot left last July and he is still listed. I don't know if the company are trying to hide the attrition or is it just incompetence that we are used to.

Machspeed 15th Dec 2014 15:02

EK Resignation Tips
 
LHR Rain
That's true. That's why I was saying its a wag. Wild Ars Guess. At least it is more true than what we hear I wash up and the millions of rumors in the car. Lol

VLS with ice 17th Dec 2014 05:47

Heard that 25 ex Ryan air pilots grouped up and handed their resignation in together. Would have loved to be a fly on the wall in the office that day...if the story is true.

Al Murdoch 17th Dec 2014 06:32


Heard that 25 ex Ryan air pilots grouped up and handed their resignation in together. Would have loved to be a fly on the wall in the office that day...if the story is true.
I've heard so many stories of Ryanair pilots resigning that we must be into negative numbers left by now.

Dune 19th Dec 2014 07:18

Are you able to use leave banked/owed to you by Emirates while within your 3 month "notice" period or do they lock you into working the full 3 months and then paying out the leave balance owed at the end?

Desdihold 24th Dec 2014 08:00

Implications of leaving before a lease has expired
 
I was told by a estate agent that uae law allows for the early termination of a lease with just two months notice.


Can anyone confirm this ?

BigGeordie 24th Dec 2014 08:17

Not quite. You have to give one month's notice and there is a penalty of two months rent. So effectively you have to pay three months rent from when you give notice. Depending on how far below market rate your rent is, your landlord may or may not co-operate with this.

tornadof3raf 9th Jan 2015 11:23

Regarding Leave, I resigned on the 26th December. I went into the office to drop off a hard copy of my resignation to Fiona and asked about leave. If you have a leave balance left they will either let you take it if leave is available (fat chance) or just pay you the balance on leaving. I just had a request to add my 3 days that i will be owed to my February leave denied.

Been pretty impressed with the process so far. HR Direct turns into a sort of leaving portal. EOS desk in the ESC was pretty helpful too, just get there early as its a busy desk. Main things to note is that Staff travel is no longer DDS. You have to book as normal, then its put on hold until you pay the staff travel desk at ESC. Also FEDEX isn't DDS.

Main thing I need now is a proof of Service to references/security checks for a UK airside pass. I think you only get this letter on leaving EK.

All in all though, the process has been ok...... (so far):bored:

gehenna 9th Jan 2015 17:46

tornado3raf
 
I am further ahead with the process, and have to agree that so far no problems.

One good piece of advice I was given was to ask the HR co-ordinator to arrange that I view what EK plan to pay me a few days before they do so; that way any discrepancies can be discovered when there is time to resolve them.

You can also ask for a copy of your medical records, although I am still waiting for that to happen.

Good luck ...........

tornadof3raf 12th Jan 2015 06:55

Thanks for the tip, off to ESC in a few days to sort a few things out. Ill bring up the points you've mentioned. Thanks for the tips, stay in touch. Be nice to have a warning of any further hiccups..... :ugh:

littlejet 12th Jan 2015 16:16

Do you get to keep the licence?

Kapitanleutnant 12th Jan 2015 17:35

For those who've gone thru this…. A Couple of questions:

Do you keep your GCAA Pilot License?
Can you keep your UAE Drivers License?
How long will they keep your passport when having UAE Visa taken out?

K

Al Murdoch 12th Jan 2015 18:34


Do you keep your GCAA Pilot License?
Haven't seen any reference to having to return it. Don't see how they could justify you having to return it? Although why would you want it?!


Can you keep your UAE Drivers License?
Same answer as above.


How long will they keep your passport when having UAE Visa taken out?
You are rostered three days off before your last day in order to have it cancelled and returned.

littlejet 13th Jan 2015 04:18

Unless you are going home, you need your GCAA ATPL as some Countries and employers require license you used for your current work. Also they need a no accident/investigation letter from GCAA and/or Police. Does anybody have any experience with that?
After all that is YOUR license, you earned it even if you do not need it.

DrPepper 13th Jan 2015 04:25

What about the bank account and the mortgage?
Can you cancel the visa with an active mortgage?
Thx

littlejet 13th Jan 2015 04:45

heard from my bank that's possible with the mortgage as they still own the house...but that is maybe just a sweet talk from the bank's cold caller...

777boyo 13th Jan 2015 10:00

Police Report
 
Littlejet -

The required Police report is easily obtained in DXB from the CID Police station on the SHJ Rd. There's a Metro station right outside, but I forget which one. There is a brief form to complete (in Arabic if my memory is correct, but there is a translation office just over the road). You'll also need your Passport with Residence visa, and a photocopy of each, plus a small fee. It takes about 10 days for the certificate to be issued, and you have to collect it in person.(I think they send you a text notification when its ready).

Very simple process and the police were very helpful.

Good luck.
7B

Al Murdoch 13th Jan 2015 10:15

It's Al Qiyadah station. You can either apply online (good luck with that) or just go straight into the office with you passport, a passport sized photo and a few copies of everything for good measure. The fee is 210AED and it takes about a week to prepare it. You then go back to collect it, they won't post or email it.
Was actually fairly straightforward in the end.


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