My wife had to get one of these last year.....quite laughable really. They put a phillipinos picture on it (she is english), addressed her on the form as 'he' (she is NOT a lady-boy before you ask!!!) and the form stated that 'he' had 'been good'. That is apparently what they think another employer will need to read. Oh yes, attempt number 1 was given to us in arabic as well! Well worth the 200 dhs spent.......not!!!!

Don't worry smiffy, not all gals age well. :ok:

The don

I wont point your reply out to the missus......beautiful as she is!!

When you receive your Provident Fund payout, where does it show as originating from? Does it go into your UAE bank account first to be redirected by yourself or does it go direct from the Channel Islands to your specified target bank?

The reason I ask is that my (European) retail bank won't accept funds from just anywhere as one of the rules in their jurisdiction. It has to be a recognized correspondant bank.

You can specify any bank account you like for it to be sent to.

Anyone know why they put you on "Rest Days" after you resigned?
Does this have any impact on FTLs or even overtime payment?
Thanks. Al.

Probably to get over the hangover.

Dropp
 

I escaped last week. I arranged for a cheque in AED, which either I could have cashed at the NBD in EGHQ, or just deposited into my local HSBC. From there, I just transferred funds to my UK account.

Just for your info, there are daily limits out of the HSBC, unless you arrange for this to be increased; that just took a couple of days after submitting the request.

Good luck ( from the beach in the sunshine, with no a/c in sight and no fools trying to trip me up)

Quick stupid question regarding the Provident fund for Americans. Does Uncle Sam take a percentage of the money when you sent it home? Thanks.

uba

Thanks Fire Ball! That sucks!!

Is there any advantage (requirement?) to close out local credit cards well in advance to avoid any hitches/holdbacks from the local bank or the company?

If so, how much before? One month? Three months?

If one has a well-entrenched habit of using their personal '@eim.ae' email address does this remain valid or does it get lost when you close out your Etisalat account?

Dropp,

I was with HSBC Premier. I was told that following cancellation of my MasterCard, I would be required to keep the equivalent of my card's credit limit in my Current account for, if I remember correctly, 6 weeks, "in case of any late transactions turning up". So prior to card cancellation, I then had a battle with the bank when I tried to reduce my credit limit to Dhs5000, which I eventually won, so I was only required to keep at least Dhs5000in my current account following cancellation of my card. Might be a good idea if you check with your bank to see if they have the same requirement.

And yes, I'm afraid you will lose your etisalat email account.

7B

Can you can keep the Provident Fund running even when you've left? No further contributions, just keeping it ticking over with withdrawls as needed, still wrapped up as an offshore account.

I'm sure it's written somewhere, just wondered if anyone knew off hand. Thanks.

Harry

DEWA Security Deposit Refund
 

For those who are in either rented or your own accommodation (not EK housing), how does the final DEWA bill work to get your security deposit back?

Their website shows you advise them 2 days prior to vacating and they send someone to read the meter and disconnect the services. Once the final bill is ready they send you an SMS to come and pay the final bill and claim your deposit back.

Something doesn't add up as they cannot prepare your final bill until they have cut off your service. Once you cut off service (waiting 2 days for your final bill) you are sitting in your villa without a/c and water in August for 2 days?? Or are you expected to pay for a 1000 dhs/night room in some hotel waiting around for 2 days waiting to have the final bill processed?

I'd appreciate any insight as I don't want to give these prick$ any more of my hard earned money than necessary.

Cheers

They won't produce the final bill until the supply has been disconnected. A cynical person might think this is so they can charge the next resident a reconnection fee.....

So you will either need to move out in the summer and buy some candles or find a hotel for a couple of days. Personally, I'd give them more like a week.

Harry,

Yes, you can elect to remain in the Scheme as a Deferred Member. Everything seems to stay the same except that you have to deal direct with the Trustees in the Isle of Man. Works fine, but there is a small amount of bureaucracy to go through initially for the Trustees to establish your identity. I think there's a description in the FAQ section of the Provident Fund website - which you can continue to access as a Deferred Member after leaving, and use to make Switches.

The only sting in the tail of electing to become a Deferred Member is that for some reason which I never really got to the bottom of, the monthly Employers Contribution (if I recall correctly) due to be paid in each of your last two months as an EK employee will be withheld and paid to you along with the other funds which are retained when you leave.

7B

DEWA will keep the lights and water on…your landlord (if renting) gets the next bill if I remember correctly. All they do is read the meter…if you own then you'd better ask DEWA! I wouldn't put an awful lot of weight on what you read here!

Guys,

Moving back to UK in march and the security checking company 'Procius' (for UK airside pass) requested a UAE criminal record check.

I researched and applied for a certificate of good conduct. Cost 210dhs and apply online and go down to head police station to verify identity. All very easy and after a day received a PDF via email of my certificate of good conduct.

Just forwarded it to Procuis and they say they can't accept it. They need something different that has fingerprints or something on it. They keep telling me that there is another form but can't find anything on the police website.

Any Ideas what they could be on about? Very frustrating.......

Harry,
There may also be a minimum amount required to keep the account open, I asked the mondial guys sometime back...it may be in the region of $200,000.

Let us know what you find out.

Provident Fund
 

Folks

For an answer re what you can/cannot do with your provident fund, email Nick Foxton, who looks after the scheme; he comes back pretty quickly, and spends time in the UK and Dubai.

Good luck with your escape tunnelling ....

Been hearing rumours of huge deductions from the EOSB or provident fund if the Gardens of the company accom villa is't returned to its origin state or Maintenance haven't inspected it prior to vacating.

Has anyone had any issues with this and can pass on their experience?

friend of mine was charged 10000 AED to remove trees that were already there when he moved in

Reading these posts is like attending an afternoon tea party with a bunch of 60 year old gossiping women.

You will be required to put the villa back to it's original state. Every occupier has to do this. Some people may have been given the option to take the garden as is but, when they leave, are still responsible for clearing it again if the next tenant doesn't want the trees, grass, built in BBQ and Olympic pool. All three parties need to be in mutual agreement and a contract will be signed to such effect. It's not always available however, my case being one such example where we too had to remove all foliage and trees that were not part of the original sand pit. It's not a very 'green' policy and hardly in line with the EMvironment bull**** that's spouted about on the EK PR machine and SAFA magazine. I also suspect that certain staff in accommodation department have a nice commission earner for getting in the same Companies to clear it all. In total we paid around 4000 dhs to have the garden done, some internal doors replaced, some rooms painted and glue removed from where we had carpets down. We'd been advised not to re paint ourselves as the Company would still do it anyway and charge us. That was good advice. In all, I think the cost was very reasonable and half of what we'd budgeted for.

But, back to the tea party, the dramatic use of the word 'huge' deductions is hardly appropriate, especially when the EOSB and Provident fund are independent from salary deductions. Perhaps a chat with those in the department will shine some more light on the process and procedures to follow.

Harry

Back to topic
 

Any recommendations for a short term, 2 -3 weeks serviced place while doing final out clearance?

Many people I know are happy here. Come on guys, the pay is still better than the United States. You'll just miss home. But since I just have a wife and no kids.. I might feel that way. I do see some future here at EK.

Tom you are seriously out of touch if you think the pay is better at Emirates than a major.
Not only is the pay better the conditions are heaps better in the US.

Senior DAL captains are making $400,000/year in come cases. 6th and 7th year F.O.s are making $200,000/year.

EK certainly pays better than the regionals and the LCCs, but the gap between them and the U.S. majors is widening substantially over the long term.


TP

Pay
 

Folks

tom330 is a new kid on the block, as he has admitted somewhere else on pPrune. Give him a chance to see what the real costs are in DXB, and then maybe sense will prevail.

Glad I am no longer in the desert ..................

Well at least now we know what you look like, harry!

:)

Only once a year do I wear a 'skirt' and that's tartan! Still a few more years yet before 60.........;)

As for the pay issue, seen the Delta pay scales, $280 an hour give or take for a 12 year Captain on the B777/747. (max 12 year scale). Assuming 800 hrs per year, I make that $225K? Tax deductions from that? Commuting too maybe?

12 years EK, (9 years Captain with possible 11 more pay scales to go) $215K with housing allowance. Have not included education allowance, subsidised family medical or Company contribution of 15% into provident fund. That latter adds another $22K alone. Colleague here 17 years, TRE. He pulls in just under $300k including housing and PF contribution.

Working harder for sure but pay.........you do the math!

Don't worry AC, just 13 months to utopia! :bored:

Harry

All US legacies are paid hourly rates to include full pay for: Holding, PPC, De-icing (both on and off the gate), Distance learning, Jury Duty etc. As well as getting full pay for being displaced if your trip is taken by a "TRE" (Check airman) to be used for training (and no AD's in place of either!)

I also don't think the wide body captains fly anywhere near 800 plus hours per year.

Kap

Basic for the Legacy guys? No, the $280 per hour is what they get. So, if the wide body skippers do less than 800 hours per year, I guess that's even less cash to pay off the 3rd wife! 700 hours would be under $200k. And I wonder how long it took those guys to reach the 12 year scale on the big planes? 10 year B777 F/O I think was around $180? Doing 800 hours makes $144k, quite a way from the $200k quoted. And again, all before tax and deductions.

Jury duty in Dubai? Now that would be interesting! As for deicing, again, not much call for that in the Gulf. All interesting points but hardly run of the mill every day events to plan your pay on, is it? Holding however......now that's a different story altogether!

Harry

Happy to be corrected but I believe the big American carriers guarantee a minimum monthly hours payment (70 rings a bell) whether you fly 70 or not.

US Legacy pilots get their guarantee every month if they fly it or not! Also if you fly International you get some type of override ($4+ per block hour depending on carrier) you also have trip rigs that allow you to fly lets say a 4 day trip that blocks 15 hours in those 4 days but you actually get credit for 25. If you fly over guarantee, most legacies pay that at 150%+ per credit hour!

I don't know why pilots keep comparing Emirates to major airlines. There is no comparison.

Here are just a sample of the items in Major airline contracts;
Green slip
Equipment pay
Canx pay
Vacation pay
Sick pay
Equipment substitution pay
Trip credit
Duty Regs
Night pay
Int'l pay
Holiday pay
Trips missed
Paternity leave
And the list goes on and on......

As has been mentioned the FOs are making over $200,000 a year working less than 75 hours a month. Some Capts are approaching $400,000 working 10 days a month.
I don't know how anyone can compare the airlines unless they have an unforeseen agenda they are trying to drive home.

What you also seem to forget is that the cost of living in the US compared to Dubai makes any direct salary comparison totally pointless. I am sure that a 3 bedroom house in a nice area of any city in the US does not cost USD1.2mil.

Hey everybody,

The name of the thread is EK Resignation Tips

Cat3a,

Good catch. I'm guessing 8 weeks profit share and a 5% increase in base pay.

Gents. A little more thread creep here if you don't mind. Harry's figures, in my opinion are off. One will be taxed on the housing allowance here at EK if one is a US citizen. We are comparing a 92/mo to an average 80/mo (not hard flying due to rigs). So even adding the imputed income of not paying taxes on the first 100k, and adding to a US salary the monthly mortgage rate of a modest 3 bedroom house (not in NYC, SFO or LAX), can't include educational allowance because free education in the US, my figures come to five year narrow body domestic captain at all three major legacies.


One also has to remember that the number of retirements at the legacies that five year captains to that point is NOT out of the question.


So here we are......Wide bodied international captains, and for me 10 years, flying into some would say war zones, challenging airports, flying close to 900 hours a year, lack of contractual, what you probably thought, full leave, 8-10 days off a month, majority of rotations with one sector on the back side of the clock, vacation awarded at four days at a time, no cost of living increases, sick leave that at times has to be paid back later in the month, at the "world's most admired international, we do it better than anyone because of our planes and route structure, top tiered airline" making essentially US narrow bodied domestic 600 or so hours a year captain's pay. And at some Legacies, top range first officer pay.


Options have come available for moi, so this SHOULD be my last year here. Thank you AAR, etal, for turning a dream job into a labor camp type environment job. This is not to denigrate those who have little or no options. The one positive I can say is, not once has the monthly remuneration been late or less than expected. But then again, the Legacies are on time too.

Are you guys comparing apples to apples? How many EK Captains can leave EK and return back home as DEC 777 at Delta?