5 months later I still have no retention money, they said they transferred it 3 months ago and don't answer my emails. don't know what to do, I never got it

Back to the top.

My lessons for those who will leave which excludes the whingers whom for the past ten years have been spreading the idea that if you don't go to a roster forum or send an email to fleet, it's your fault if nothing changes. Well guess what ? It is not.. EK is the only one responsible for this mess. .
Not the pilots putting up with the Fxxx ups and idiocy. Think the beaten up wife syndrome. Go to a meeting with the head pilot honcho and all will become clear. You will want to leave even sooner.


So.....
- Smooth process
- Plenty of time to get it all done, specially if your wife is here whilst you are at work.
- Sell your car early. These days, the used market is sluggish so you won't get much for it. Better advertising it early so you can hit the best price sooner.
- staff travel valid up to one month after you resign ( SRC longer )
- Cargo is very easy to use. 600kgs or 4 times 150 per year. Use it early so you get everything shipped home including your removal at the lowest cost.
- Emirates NBD... if you need a clearance letter, it takes 10 days and costs 100AED. It took 5 minutes with HSBC at zero cost.
- Criminal report check. Easy, 220 AED ( I went to Al Qiyada, literally 20 m from the metro station )
- EOS team very good. Shame they are not running EK
- you won't regret it.

Seems TCAS will now be offering resignation tips too.

Will he get his retention money though?

They always ignored my emails until I cc to Mueller, had an answer within 2 hours.
they transferred it the next day, not all of it, they deducted 14k by mistake, another email to Mueller fixed it. They are just a bunch of aholes, can't believe I worked for them so long

Glad you got it sorted. Most would have given up and written it off.

Good Cat... That is EXACTLY what EK was hoping for and why, IMO, they delay, delay, delay on all things... such as paying back any medical expenses incurred you are trying to recover.

Their philosophy is simply to make is soon complex and complicated that the employee will simply give up as it's not worth the aggravation..... And sadly, it works most of the time!!

Glad to be gone!

Kap

PS... It would appear a CC to Herr Mueller seems to be the ONLY way to get things done. If he gets enough of these, maybe he will put 2+2 together and understand the total frustration of the EK pilot in this regard.

Mueller is here for the business and does not care about the employee. Employees are but a smudge on the liability column of the spreadsheet.

Disagree on this one, Don.

Why after Goretex's several futile attempts of communicating to the appropriate department on his rightful earnings to be returned did it take only 1 email to Mueller and ...... Voila. DONE!

Seems to me if he hadn't CC'd Mueller, he's still not have his rightful earnings.

To me, that's not a guy who "does not care about the employee".

Kap

Not sure the grade 8s that have been shown the door would necessarily agree with you Kap. The muppets above them continue on as before.
The only way to get things done here is to cc the higher ups. Its the only motivation that desk dwellers seem to understand.
Glad it worked out Goretex. Appalling that you had to put soo much effort to retrieve what was yours.

Don (as usual) is correct. There were two occasions that I had to go upstairs. On both occasions it was sorted. Once with a "yes why he didn't allow this, it is in the HR manual? Mail him and cc me. You can go" So I did. It got done. The dishonest muppets hang on to power by trying to justify themselves by pulling dodgy stunts. More redundancies to come. By the time the VP lot start being canned it will be too late. Lattes at dawn...

I am sure Mueller doesnt care but the guy who ignored my emails for 6 months got scared that he will be made redundant, my advice if you ever want something done in EK cc it to several people but be careful when you still work for them, the chief pilot A380 was ignoring my emails and then I went above him, it was all resolved and good for me but of course I received a phone call from him and he told me that I have to contact him first before I write to his boss, obviously I couldn't care less.

One more thing when I left they wanted to deduct 5000 for a phone number I never had, they showed me a letter that I got this number 98 or 97, I told them that at that time I wasn't even in the company yet, the answer was sorry captain but I have to deduct it anyway, what to do, after screaming a bit I went to HR and they didn't deduct anything for that. You have to fight for everything with these guys

All my dealings with the End of Service team were absolutely outstanding. It didn't even feel like the same company. They were efficient, concerned, responsive and anticipatory. In all my years at the Emirates I never once saw an instance where a department was aware of problems that could arise, briefed them and mitigated them but here when I was leaving I enter this world of wonders.

A high was reached when through no fault from the EOS team my bank screwed up my mid-seven-figures provident fund transfer from the trustees to my Dubai bank account. This was of course on a Thursday afternoon. The team had a cheque re-issued immediately and one of them personally ran that new cheque down to my bank and deposited it before close of business. Does this sound like the Emirates you know?

Now on to the low. Months after leaving I get a stroppy Hinglish email from payroll informing me that they will be keeping all of my (aptly-named) retention money and further they would like 9000 dirhams from me in settlement of a miscalculation in vacation days. I emailed back and reminded them that I and they had signed a document before I left entitled "Final Settlement", emphasis on the adjective, and that I had no intention of re-opening the matter. Nothing more was heard but my retention money was...... retained.

I hear of this more often than not. The amount isn't that large. I would have paid much more willingly just to never, ever, hear from them again.

"Hinglish" Hehehe!!!:ok:;) :)

Folks who would you put down as an Airline "reference" at EK for another airline to contact? I know they don't give references but just need someone who they can contact to prove I was here!

Or...

If you have a TRE colleague you know and have flown with or even a CRM instructor you know/have flown with. Those are good bets as well.

Cheers gents...... appreciate it.

Is there an optimum day of the month to leave with regard to retention pay and accommodation allowance?

My last day was within the 1st third of the month and that meant I did not receive my November salary until the final settlement.
Something which might surprise some, particularly the cash strapped ones.

I know there are a lot of Aussies on here, and this is largely directed to you guys.

Im planning on moving back to Australia in the coming months and I'm trying to find out how to get my money back without it being taxed. Ive tried to do my research but I'm still unsure if Im subject to it being taxed on this if Ive lived in Dubai for 5 years.

Can I just send it all in 1 lump sum and no dramas or do I need to be more creative? Can anyone give me some advice on this?

If you are a non-resident of Australia for "tax purposes" there is no tax payable in Australia.

5 years away and if you don't own a house in Australia, you would be classified as a non-resident.

https://www.ato.gov.au/law/view/docu...99991231235958

What professional advice did you get before you left? Hopefully you:
1. Handed back your Medicare card?
2. Removed yourself from electoral Roll (and have not voted since), and
After you left for that FY file a 'Final Tax return'? These are the things necessary to be a 'non-resident for tax purposes'.

If so you have no issues. If you didn't and used your Medicare card since then you are partially liable at least-same with voting. They are privileges reserved for taxpayers. If you had income from property in Aus, you need to have filed a return-or may be subject to a fine. Having said that it is possible to file a number of years of returns at once (I did 7) through an accountant (I used SMATS and was impressed with their knowledge/service). Also you may be eligible for tax credits on return if you did have an investment property/ties-basically negative gearing against future income in Aus.

clear to land


Rubbish!!!!!

read my link, I was a non resident for around 8-9 years and did not do your 1 or 2 points.

It has jack to do with Medicare (a citizenship issue not a resident one) or if you vote or not being a citizen.


It is solely if you are a "resident for tax purposes" if you pay tax or not.

2 examples from Australian Tax Office.


neither Medicare or voting a factor.


32. A person who had just completed tertiary studies decided to leave Australia for an unspecified period of time to work in one overseas country to gain work experience. Before leaving she closed all bank accounts except for a 5-year interest bearing deposit. She had no established home in Australia and no spouse or children in Australia. While she was forced to return to Australia within 18 months due to an illness, she was considered to be a non-resident as it was her original intention to remain outside Australia for an unspecified period of time and she was considered to have a permanent place of abode in the overseas country.
Result: non-resident.

The opposite conclusion would have been reached if she had intended to (and did) spend one year each in 2 countries and then had travelled for a further period of one year, making do in temporary or transitory accommodation in each country as she went. In that case she would not have a permanent place of abode in any of the overseas countries and would continue to be a resident of Australia.
Result: resident during the 3-year overseas stay.

Read what I wrote again: if you didn't hand back your Medicare card then you better not have used it. Note: the points I supplied are the professional advice I received >10 years ago. Rules may have changed-which is why I said get professional advice. I guarantee that the ATO will take a dim view of using Medicare services as a non-resident for tax purposes-which is unrelated to citizenship, and purely a financial instrument.

Rubbish again. We have reciprocal with many countries as far as medical.

Don't guarantee just supply the link!!


Tax has NOTHING to do with citizenship - Nothing.


Yep just checked my link is from ATO.GOV.AU website, your pro advise cost how much?

If you wish good advise on relocation back to Australia ask here including taxes.


They have several Registered Migration Agents that often comment + others including a person that works for or in the ATO. A RMA is similar to a Lawyer in qualifications but has more respect!


Visas and immigration - Living and Working in Australia Forum With Immigration and Travel Information

Any information on leaving with outstanding loan? Is provident fund available to use?

Care to Clear up if it is Clear To Land by post of a link? or a retraction is also ok.

But I really want to see your link, or know the company that conned you for your paid advice.

Not many friends hey band a lot.
Movingonup,
I am with clear to land. There was a good dude in Singas that looked after oz expats. Can't find his details, perhaps Google. All the best with the move.

Stick to the facts about overseas taxation in Australia, or seek professional advice if you don't know. Being a non resident is on a case by case basis. As long as you have a permanent overseas address, only travel to Australia for leisure purposes once or twice a year, don't have wife/kids etc here you will be fine. You can own property, file tax returns, pay tax here on said properties, no issues. It isn't all black and white, the ATO will look at your case individually I am told.

Geoff at Majenda Majenda ? Australian Tax and Investment Specialists, he regularly visits Dubai

background check go to police HQ north side of airport. you can do online of no fingerprint needed

Some EK ex-crew say they subtely try to interest them to convert to islam by taking them to visit a mosque where a convert comes and talks about their conversion inspiration, is it true?

If you resign on the same date as your DOH/DOJ do you still get credited your SRC tickets for the year? How long do you have to use SRC tickets once you leave? Have heard you have up to 2 years, but in the manual it says 12 months from date of issue and somebody told me you need to have them issued before you leave, although the dates can be changed later. Been here 10+ years so another Firm SRC would be a bonus.

So you can use accumulated srcs for up to a year after leaving minus at least 2 weeks processing time, those tickets are then valid for a year from the ticketing date. Can't be done through trips only by email to retirement travel concessions. Has worked ok over the last year now waiting for a batch to be issued

I think someone is pulling your leg my friend. Not sure anyone over there really wants you to convert to Islam in a city where most of the local men drink alcohol and visit prostitutes.

Have you actually been to Dubai? The level of Sharia compliance is inversely proportional to the money in your wallet, and you can buy many things over there that you wouldn't get near to in the developed world. It's very un-Islamic. That's not a criticism just an observation, one which could be aimed at all faiths and denominations... just like the high-ranking IS hate-preacher Al-Baghdadi who tried to inspire muslims living in poverty to rise up against the west, whilst at the same time sporting a nice Rolex on his wrist:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.i...-jihad-1455534

If you notify your manager of your intention to resign a month sooner than normal you can request flights for your next roster and be guaranteed to get it.This was the email sent to Pursers only. Does this apply to pilots too? Would be nice to have one perfect roster before leaving.

cantbebothered, thats not true for pilot because I didn't request to fly 80 hours in my last 2 weeks of employment, why would they be nice to you suddenly?