Well, "ASAP" means "As Soon AS Possible", which in Steve's case is about three or four years of solid flying.

Wizofoz

Copied and much obliged ;)

reduce criteria for EK
 

Hello again all,

With the opening up of EK recruitment once again, and requirements only an unfrozen ATPL I am about a year closer to taking the decision to apply for EK.

How are rosters looking over in DXB? I am pretty much working 5 on, 3 off at the moment with around 80 hours a month (all 4 sector days).
Could I expect the same with EK? Are they random or fixed?

Lastly, what is the expected time to command on the 380 at the moment? (I know this will probably rise due to the influx of pilots about to hit EK)

Thanks in advance
aussiesteve

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Hello again all,

With the opening up of EK recruitment once again, and requirements only an unfrozen ATPL I am about a year closer to taking the decision to apply for EK.

How are rosters looking over in DXB? I am pretty much working 5 on, 3 off at the moment with around 80 hours a month (all 4 sector days).
Could I expect the same with EK? Are they random or fixed?

Lastly, what is the expected time to command on the 380 at the moment? (I know this will probably rise due to the influx of pilots about to hit EK)

Thanks in advance
aussiesteve

feel free to pm me

You're a gem Dude!!

ah some one thinks I am trolling...
Not today my good sir, I am just a n00b looking for information regarding my future.

Time to command on the 380..? :ugh::ugh:

Yea I thought as much...

Has to be a troll. ATPL still frozen and wants to know how long it will take him to be a Captain on the A380?

On the off chance it is a serious question then believe me, if you come here time to command on the big bus will be the least of your worries.

trolololol
 

This is what I've heard about EK

90+ hours per month and increasing with no change in salary/benefits.
Short layovers, pretty much staying on minimum rest/ flying back next day
4 years of RHS and still no hint of upgrading.

Can anyone confirm that?

Last year I heard it was about 8 years to LHS, but talking to Captains who have friends out in DXB I hear that LHS upgrades are going slowly.
So I wanted some clarification.
The sarcasm has been appreciated, I like a good laugh just as much as the next person but at the same time I'd much rather a lot of peoples opinions on what its really like in the sandpit.
It's a dream to work for EK, but if it sounds like what I am hearing is true maybe I'd be better off sticking where I am or looking for something else.

Steve there are plenty of recent threads about what it is like to work for EK. Read them and your answers are there. If you only want to hear some nice fairy tale about how good life is here, with quick commands and lashings of lemonade etc, address you query to:
TCAS
EGHQ
Dubai.

But make it snappy. I believe he time expires soon.

:ok:

I'll have a look around for those threads. Seems like I was asking in the wrong place. At least someone eventually told me they were elsewhere.

Americans trying to understand 'roundabouts' takes less time than finding the right place to post.

from a n00b
 

It is hard for us n00bs trying to understand this ever changing industry. Especially if you have no family/friends (except flight school) in the industry to point out things that may seem obvious to you experienced chaps.

Let me paint you a picture of what us 'n00bs' are being conditioned to think is normal...

After being treated like :mad: throughout flight training, realising that your £80K+ is not as important as those who have airlines behind them.

Then your first airline job you Pay up to £38k for the TR. For a job where we have NO benefits, only earn money when you block off and scheduled for 80+ hours a month but guaranteed nothing.

Then when we look to move around for a better life, we're all thought of as idiots and trolls for thinking about moving to EK.

I understand things were different for most of you experienced guys as you've probably seen it get worse and worse over the years.
But please understand that from our perspective it looks appealing because we've been trained to expect :mad: from day 1.

I had a Captain give me some advice about moving around. He said, 'Only to change airlines to change your lifestyle, because the office doesn't change'. Trying to find out what kind of lifestyles to expect at various airlines is very difficult without contacts there.

Thanks for reading, and please insert your best 'Living the dream' liners below :ok:

Confirmed.

I hate to join the chorus having a go at you, but how could you possibly think flying for a long haul international airline could have the same work pattern as doing short haul flying? We have 9 day trips, so it's hardly possible to have a 5 on roster, is it?

We fly 1 or 2 sector days, but some of those sectors are 14 hrs long.

FOs currently doing in excess of 90 hours. It is recognized that this needs to change, but it won't be for at least a few years if ever.

Wizofoz,

Thanks for the answers.

I apologise for coming across naive, but I have no idea what a LH international airline roster would look like.
Any chance you could give me an insight as to what a nine day trip would entail? minus fatigue.

I meant to ask how many days you got off typically in a row after one of these trips? Reading other threads it sounds like you normally get around 4 which many pilots find useless after a trip like that.
How often would you get more than 5 for example?

Cheers

Aussiesreve, the required rest for that trip is 12 hours! You will probably get 2 days at the most! Although, with the current work load for FO's you'll probably get around 36 hours!😳😱💤

Aussiesteve. If you're flying at the big orange, as you allude to, then you're not being wholly truthful of the contract conditions there. You seem to be trying to convince yourself of something in order to support your "dream" of going to EK. I suggest you get some time under your belt and maybe look at this in a few years time.

How long is the typerating bond in EK?

I love twins,

I know what you mean regarding the contracts. But that is all dependant on where you get based.

Those who get Flexi (UK based) it's survivable with the loan on top.
When you get a Perm UK contract then you get a 75% contract, which is nice if you want the time off during winter. Each for their own. At the moment, I would rather work and get my hours up and see what opens up.
Don't get me wrong I'd love to return to the big orange, but I'd also like to experience LH as well. Unless they announce competition for NAS I am not sure if I would stick it out there for the entire duration of my career.

EU bases get straight Perm contracts but unless you get Italy or France the contract isn't great. Hence the need to fill DEC's in OPO/AMS. No EZY Cpt wants to transfer. And you know its bad when even the Dutch don't want to go home...
I know FO/SO's in OPO/LIS and I don't know how they are surviving.

The contract conditions seem nice for DEC's, and they are. Say for example I left EZY for EK then came back after 15 years or so I would take a bad contract in OPO for 3 years for the option to be back in the UK after Base Freeze was finished.

You poor little thing Stevie. You spent all that money to buy your job, and you're still not happy. You poor little thing. Fingers crossed when you get 1500hrs you can get the wide body command you deserve.

I do believe "noob" is spelt with a k and only one o.

Bravo sir. :D