How do you know we exceeded target?

My expectations have been for a repeat of last year: so close, but...

And we'd only have 3499 left!!

My point being, we are part of the equation, not the whole enchilada.

Wiz,

I, and I suspect, many others take exception to that comment.

To suggest that the pilot group of any major airline is not important underscores the fact that many within our ranks will 'dumb down' our profession.

The other 50,000 do not have anything near the package that we have - reflecting the critical nature of the pilot's skill set.

I realize we are not managers - but it's one thing for the company to destroy the corporate culture - which they have since GFC - but it's another to have one of our own dilute the importance of the 3600 - most who still believe they represent a 'great profession'.

You´re missing my point and I don´t know why you are so eager to downplay your own importance...

So what if there are 3499 pilots available, if 3500 is needed on the day, there is still one plane not going anywhere that day. If the accountant is missing the spread sheet will be filled out the day after, but planes operating is kinda important to an airline.

Lastly, I prefer to see myself as a nice juicy burrito...

Where did I say we are not important?

I said we are not the only factor in managements decisions.

The fact that any suggestion to the contrary get's your back up rather makes my point, not yours.

Which is, of course, never the case.

All I'm saying is let's get things in perspective.

Having enough of us well trained enough to do our jobs is of curse necessary, and putting pay and conditions at a level the ensures this is just good business.

But this thread suggests the whole argument as to whether the entire work-force will receive a profit share as being about our particular group.

That's just a little bit arrogant. We are part of a larger picture.

Sure, you'll fly the day we don't have enough accountants- right up till we can't get fuel because the account hasn't been paid.

We will also be just was grounded the day the legal minimum number of flight attendants doesn't show up, or there are insufficient engineers to sign out the aircraft.

I'm not downplaying our importance. But thinking we are the ONLY factor in the airlines thinking isn't helpful either.

Careful Wiz, that comment might just qualify as common sense, expect a knock at your door in the next hour or two to have those "revolutionary" concepts removed by the application of a newly issued FCI......

UPDATE 1-Republic Airways says lack of pilots to cut 2014 profit | Reuters

It wasn´t accountants, engineers nor cabin crew they were missing...

Of course I understand that everyone plays a part in this big machinery, however there are few roles where lack of qualified personnel has such a direct impact on the operation. In our case we can even go with a couple of cabin crew down, as long as we cover the doors. Try going with one pilot down (on a 2 man crew that is...)

Sure.

But's that's not the position Emirates is currently in, and is not going to be a decisive factor in whether or not we (and everyone else in the company) get a profit share.

I reckon that the time the local boys and gals start having issues with the t&c, things will change.

Hearing rumours that this may be the case at the moment.

We will see....inshallah

Pilots are Important to the bottom line . They are just not valued by EK management. Pilots are skilled labours that's how you are viewed .

Great post, Wiz! (#68)

Unfortunately, I fear you are very wrong on this one...

If Ts and Cs for the locals need to be raised, it can only be the expats who pay for it. Always has been the way and always will be. (Housing tax etc etc).

Just thinking of the last pay rise we got. The mathematics/formulation was so complicated .....am not so sure if we got a pay rise or we are paying the company a small percentage of our coin.

IF we get a pay rise this year, it will be followed by a powerpoint presentation, FCN, FCI, ACI, SMS, ASR, CCI, DL, CHFR, AAM, CSR et al describing the breakdown......

I've always operated on the assumption that the most important person in the airline is the girl in the office in HQ that pushes the button every month that send the money into the bank - if she doesnt do her job the whole airline stops, not just a single flight. ;)

so funny
 

Guys, after they pay sports sponsoring, UK made advertisements and all other markering B..S ...t (golf .F1. Soccer. Tennis etc...) plus Abu Dhabi brothers taxes, What are you expecting ? Peanuts ? You got it.
just work and stay silent please.
:)

Housing allowance increase and six percent raise please.....

Don't sell yourself short Turtle, or do you mean 6% plus a step?

If we aren't given a 10% pay increase then we will continue to be below average paid pilots on our respective fleets - living in a country with higher living costs than any other.

There's a growing number of pilots who are contemplating leaving- by this I don't mean looking around, I mean contemplating contract offers they have in their inbox. This month I've flown with chaps who have offers in the States, Norway and those even considering going back to a low cost Irish airline. There's also Captains I know who are ready to set sail to China for shift pay increase and Turkey for essentially a pay cut as they've had enough of the 95 hour months with very little reward.

I have faith, for the final May, however I know I am in the minority. Not sharing the profit is greedy, not paying employees what they should is worse.

6% plus step and about 10% on housing should just about put us back where we were 2 years ago. Inflation in Dubai is heading upwards again, whatever the "official" figures say.

The "step" is not a pay rise, although they try to sell it as such. It is an acknowledgement that experience still means something, it encourages people to stay in the company and should be paid every year regardless of what inflation is doing. It is not supposed to help cover the cost of living increases year to year.

Presumably tomorrow is "the" day :eek: