How long will EK DEC program continue
 

Hey fellow aviators.
I am a new poster here. But I was interested in the EK Dec programme. But since i am not getting leave from my current outfit, and due some very serious domestic issues, cannot attend or apply for Dec at Ek for at least 2 months.
Can anyone tell me how long might this Dec program expect to last.
Is it here to stay or is it a small window ie they stop when they meet their numbers.
Anybody with a reliable timeline. Would certainly help. Current outfit in bad shape. Need help. Thanks.

It will probably run for ever but do not expect anybody in EK to help you out.

Get an application in now would be my advice as I assume you can delay an interview if selected to suit your timeframe.

gestapo,

The number of DECs required seems to change quite a bit. I believe they are looking for 70ish this year (I am sure someone else will have better idea of the number). We were told that none would be hired after this financial year, however, things do change. I don't know how many have been selected so far, so as Millers says, apply and see what happens.

The Don

So, Gestapo, you think it is funny to name yourself after the secret police responsible for murder,terror,deportation and torture of thousands, if not millions? Ever heard of Anne Frank? Or the Scholl siblings? Still laughing?
Shame on you.

what's with the first post? Why hiding? And the user name?!? Tell us that you have a dinner plate with the swastika on the back locked on display in your study room.

711 - The irony of your post might be lost upon you; wherein, with a name like that (i.e. Gestapo) I suspect he'd fit right in!... in that (in case you haven't noticed) the vast majority of Arab countries are not fans of either that State of Israel, and / or Jews, and / or anybody else who's not of their religious 'faith' (with the vast majority of us being classified as 'infidels' no less; all be it necessary infidels). ;)

Old King,

the Arabs don't like Jews??? Wow, this is amazing stuff, never thought about that, are you really really sure? Where did you hear that??? This is mind blowing stuff, thanks for the info!.:mad:

This is not about anybodys "irony" and not about Arabs, and of course I understood the intended "joke", that is precisely my point.

Why is it funny or ironic to name oneself after a secret police that killed hundred of thousands of innocent people, among them women, children, jews and non-jews ? Because the Arabs don' t like Jews ? Ha Ha Ha.

I say it is simply ignorant and disgusting.

711: dude, I think you need to take a chill pill, you're coming across as something of a zealot!

Question
 

What is a DEC program? I am a 737 CA for UAL and am thinking about expat flying.... Trying to get all the lingo down... Thanks guys.

Direct Entry Captain?

Is there any policy in place for upgrades?

Tommy, no, there is no policy for upgrades, everybody is an FO......Please excuse the sarcasm, of course there's a policy, it's a bloody airline.......

Guys thanks for the info. But i really can't apply for at least 4 weeks. And someone close to managment in ek tells me that the Dec programme is nearly over. They have made their numbers. Cut down the 'original' requirment by about 50%. Therefore now have numbers.
Poor fellows with interviews in july will be sent home with some reason or another. Plenty of traps until the medicals i am told. So plenty of reasons to say bye bye to dec candidate. No guilt there.
This was told to me by a colleague. Therefore i was asking here.
@tinyjet. Yes i have the plate.

Not entirely true. Some are guys coming back (that's for another thread) who probably have more time in EK than you and me!

Having said that, I entirely take your point :O

If management admit that, and do nothing about it, they are not doing their job! No surprise there I guess.

the Don

What a shame that 411A can no longer join in with his advice for DEC's

By what i heard, they needed 150 originally. But now with the whale programme running on thin ice the revised numbers were 100. A lot were retreads. Therefore numbers have more or less been met.
The rest of the 'invites' will be found one reason or another to be sent home....:cool:
I wonder if it's still worth it, with the syrian/iranian issues running so tight and all the ME looking like a pool of gasoline in an electrical thunderstorm.
Time for me to seriously reconsider.
Which, i guess could also be the reason behind the 'haggling' of the 180's. The haggling was pseudo, the intention real!
Not to invest further in a white elephant in an almost war ridden area.
Just my thoughts.

What is the upgrade policy for FOs? Seems like guys there have more than enough experience. I have about 13K-14k hours and 2500 command time on the NG.... What are the requirements for DEC? Not to upset you, just curious.

Safer?
 

of course not, its just cheaper to take DEC, they dont care in the short term, but medium term it might cost more as the new DEC are not used to the operation and destinations....more chances for mistakes and conflicts to happen
Imagine also the senior FO with loads of experience and previous command time, flying with new DEC that barely meets the requirements, might not be the best for CRM...

Quite frankly, they won't even touch anyone 'that barely meets requirments'. Whatever that means. Whoever(besides the favoured ones), who make it to the program will have tons of experience and skill. Equivalent or more than your regular joe ek captain. That's a taken.
I, however can't comment on the 'golden children'.....:ouch:

I have flown with a bunch of DECs during my time here at EK. Most were aware of their shortcomings, regarding company procedures and routes. A few were arrogant and bad pilots, to say the least.

DECs are a normal occurrence at EK since its inception; the (mis) management will always resort to them to save a few dirhams.

To clarify ... Arabs don't like the Israelis and Zionists. The problem is that most Israelis belong to the Jewish faith; thence, the misconception.

EK hired DEC's since 1985 and will continue to do so, they just change the requirements from time to time, they lower them usually, now you dont't even any widebody experience anymore.

God, you'd be surprised to know that pilots other than emirates SFOs , can actually fly your aircraft types, and quite possibly manage to convert to your routes.

DECs stealing the commands you so seem to think you deserve ? Tough sh.. This industry is a nightmare and the accounts don't give a toss about your career dreams.

Leave it alone fade. All FOs at EK joined knowing about DECs slowing commands and thought it ok. Doesn't mean they would enjoy flying with a bore like you though.
Luckily recruiting does a pretty good job of preventing that from happening.

The Don

Upgrade policy
 

I've been following this thread, and I'm curious as to what the upgrade policy is. It seems as if it is somewhat hit or miss. Is there any trigger that qualifies an fo for an upgrade? And if so, is there a pool that they are drawn from. Thanks guys....

The DEC program has seen the light of day. They have made their numbers.....whatever they were.
Now it's a matter of how politely (or otherwise) the 'other' candidates are told goodbye. But goodbye it will be.
Just my take....:cool:

@ A 380 jockey:
Why do you think would they still invite candidates if they had enough? They pay for the flights, the hotel and the meals and so on... If nobody is needed they could easily save all the costs by just telling the candidates to stay home. So far i haven`t heard of interviews being cancelled.

People have be invited as recently as 3 days ago , for interview dates , early June.

Sorry, that should have been early July!

We need them because we are at the bottom of the "qualified FO list", according to the OM-A criteria. So either hire DECs or change the criteria. With the failure rate of the command candidates these days, I can understand why the went with DECs. I just hope the ones that come are ex EK or very qualified long haul commanders and not B737/A320 pilots looks for a big jet - although I dont blame them.

Drums,
Its not as if they WANT to invite and fail. It's the ones that they have already invited and now don't want since they've reduced or met their numbers that i'm talking about. And once they've met their numbers, it doesn't matter how qualified you are or how well you perform.
They'll find a reason to get rid of you. That was my point.

Hello all,

Interesting thread...Not surprised that the ministry of disinformation is gearing up, no one likes to see people coming in to take a position that most would rightfully feel is theirs. That said, as I understand it, the DEC's are either retreads, or highly experienced wide and narrow body Captains. Moreover, they are almost entirely made up of TRE's. This is to plug a gap in the ranks following a period of quiet in recruiting. Like it or ( more probably ) not, these bods were probably Captains before some of the existing EK F/O's had their first trial lesson.

Sorry to disappoint the doom mongers, but the DEC process is still very much in motion with a group about to recieve DXB tickets to the last stage of the process following a sim assessment in the UK. I can assure you that they are not being given a free trip to Dubai for nowt. Most know each other and have assurances from the highest level, that its more about please would you join us, than would we like you to join us. Dont forget to smile when you see them, you might find yourself sitting in front of them in the sim sooner than you think.:ok:

What sims in UK.
I'm not aware of any sims in any other city besides dxb.

BS you might be stretching things a bit with "would you please come to Dubai". Yes they do have a lot of experience but they still have to pass the assessment. Last I heard is they will have to do the full NAC course and if not successful there is no job. After that then there is the entire Emirates instructor course. BTW it looks like a previous 330 trainer is coming back as a 777 DEC, what's with that. If they bring attitude, well, look out!

fatbus,

I believe B777 was how HR meant to spell A330 on his contract. I believe it has been fixed and he is in fact returning to the bus.

Interesting to see the attitude of some of the wannabes. Also interesting to note not one Dec applicant shared any info of the process on this site. Is it only FOs that try and help each other?

I wonder why these experienced chaps would be jumping to join on a EK year one captain pay, when higher starting paying jobs are out there. Maybe its a large watch thing? Or is it yet more Thomas cook guys? I wonder how that happened?

The Don

Wtf was that......???!
@sitting on a pot smokin' pot, translate into english please. Or for that matter any language understood to us humans ...:confused:

Gestapo, you need to be with EK for a while to appreciate what Sittingidly is talking about. It is a funny thing, though.
Das ist lustig :D

Senior FO
 

I m curious. How many hours has a senior FO in Emirates .?
Thank you

Depends where they came from,when they joined, and how the constantly changing Upgrade Policies affected them . Some have well in excess of 12k, others-who are the new hires under the reduced requirements-have just over 2.5k. Have one friend with over 16k and 5 years who can't Upgrade due to the fleet he was put on and with the current Upgrade rules/Type Freeze is still at least 2 years away from an Upgrade Course. Bottom line-there is extensive experience in the FO ranks, but if you are on the 'wrong fleet'...welcome to the Middle East.

By wrong fleet I gather you mean 777 when referring to upgrades. Over 100 now and the fleet plan is 160, meaning he who is hired now needs 200 ( not in the plan ) to upgrade. AB ( 330+ 380 ) is at @60 now and planned 90 380 and 70 350 ( don't think the 359 is going to come ) . Looks better on the bus for upgrades long term and for those joining now there is not an AC to upgrade on IE 160 in fleet now going to 280 by 2020 please do the math , don't come for a "quick upgrade" and bitch about all the time. Just enjoy the job, if you can.

Hi Mr FatBus
What is a Full NAC course ?
Please