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How long will EK DEC program continue

Old 30th May 2012, 14:30
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Question How long will EK DEC program continue

Hey fellow aviators.
I am a new poster here. But I was interested in the EK Dec programme. But since i am not getting leave from my current outfit, and due some very serious domestic issues, cannot attend or apply for Dec at Ek for at least 2 months.
Can anyone tell me how long might this Dec program expect to last.
Is it here to stay or is it a small window ie they stop when they meet their numbers.
Anybody with a reliable timeline. Would certainly help. Current outfit in bad shape. Need help. Thanks.
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Old 30th May 2012, 16:05
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It will probably run for ever but do not expect anybody in EK to help you out.

Get an application in now would be my advice as I assume you can delay an interview if selected to suit your timeframe.
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Old 30th May 2012, 17:42
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gestapo,

The number of DECs required seems to change quite a bit. I believe they are looking for 70ish this year (I am sure someone else will have better idea of the number). We were told that none would be hired after this financial year, however, things do change. I don't know how many have been selected so far, so as Millers says, apply and see what happens.

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Old 30th May 2012, 18:06
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So, Gestapo, you think it is funny to name yourself after the secret police responsible for murder,terror,deportation and torture of thousands, if not millions? Ever heard of Anne Frank? Or the Scholl siblings? Still laughing?
Shame on you.
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Old 30th May 2012, 18:06
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what's with the first post? Why hiding? And the user name?!? Tell us that you have a dinner plate with the swastika on the back locked on display in your study room.
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Old 30th May 2012, 18:38
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711 - The irony of your post might be lost upon you; wherein, with a name like that (i.e. Gestapo) I suspect he'd fit right in!... in that (in case you haven't noticed) the vast majority of Arab countries are not fans of either that State of Israel, and / or Jews, and / or anybody else who's not of their religious 'faith' (with the vast majority of us being classified as 'infidels' no less; all be it necessary infidels).
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Old 30th May 2012, 19:15
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Old King,

the Arabs don't like Jews??? Wow, this is amazing stuff, never thought about that, are you really really sure? Where did you hear that??? This is mind blowing stuff, thanks for the info!.

This is not about anybodys "irony" and not about Arabs, and of course I understood the intended "joke", that is precisely my point.

Why is it funny or ironic to name oneself after a secret police that killed hundred of thousands of innocent people, among them women, children, jews and non-jews ? Because the Arabs don' t like Jews ? Ha Ha Ha.

I say it is simply ignorant and disgusting.
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Old 30th May 2012, 20:18
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711: dude, I think you need to take a chill pill, you're coming across as something of a zealot!
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Old 30th May 2012, 21:11
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Question

What is a DEC program? I am a 737 CA for UAL and am thinking about expat flying.... Trying to get all the lingo down... Thanks guys.

Direct Entry Captain?
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Old 30th May 2012, 23:21
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Is there any policy in place for upgrades?
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Old 31st May 2012, 03:51
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Tommy, no, there is no policy for upgrades, everybody is an FO......Please excuse the sarcasm, of course there's a policy, it's a bloody airline.......
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Old 31st May 2012, 06:15
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Guys thanks for the info. But i really can't apply for at least 4 weeks. And someone close to managment in ek tells me that the Dec programme is nearly over. They have made their numbers. Cut down the 'original' requirment by about 50%. Therefore now have numbers.
Poor fellows with interviews in july will be sent home with some reason or another. Plenty of traps until the medicals i am told. So plenty of reasons to say bye bye to dec candidate. No guilt there.
This was told to me by a colleague. Therefore i was asking here.
@tinyjet. Yes i have the plate.
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Old 31st May 2012, 06:35
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We have hired 40 DECs who have less experience than current FOs in the company in terms of their previous command time
Not entirely true. Some are guys coming back (that's for another thread) who probably have more time in EK than you and me!

Having said that, I entirely take your point
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Old 31st May 2012, 07:51
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If management admit that, and do nothing about it, they are not doing their job! No surprise there I guess.

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Old 31st May 2012, 08:07
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What a shame that 411A can no longer join in with his advice for DEC's
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Old 1st Jun 2012, 07:38
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By what i heard, they needed 150 originally. But now with the whale programme running on thin ice the revised numbers were 100. A lot were retreads. Therefore numbers have more or less been met.
The rest of the 'invites' will be found one reason or another to be sent home....
I wonder if it's still worth it, with the syrian/iranian issues running so tight and all the ME looking like a pool of gasoline in an electrical thunderstorm.
Time for me to seriously reconsider.
Which, i guess could also be the reason behind the 'haggling' of the 180's. The haggling was pseudo, the intention real!
Not to invest further in a white elephant in an almost war ridden area.
Just my thoughts.
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Old 1st Jun 2012, 20:56
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What is the upgrade policy for FOs? Seems like guys there have more than enough experience. I have about 13K-14k hours and 2500 command time on the NG.... What are the requirements for DEC? Not to upset you, just curious.
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Old 2nd Jun 2012, 02:23
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Safer?

of course not, its just cheaper to take DEC, they dont care in the short term, but medium term it might cost more as the new DEC are not used to the operation and destinations....more chances for mistakes and conflicts to happen
Imagine also the senior FO with loads of experience and previous command time, flying with new DEC that barely meets the requirements, might not be the best for CRM...
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Old 2nd Jun 2012, 02:50
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Quite frankly, they won't even touch anyone 'that barely meets requirments'. Whatever that means. Whoever(besides the favoured ones), who make it to the program will have tons of experience and skill. Equivalent or more than your regular joe ek captain. That's a taken.
I, however can't comment on the 'golden children'.....
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Old 2nd Jun 2012, 03:53
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I have flown with a bunch of DECs during my time here at EK. Most were aware of their shortcomings, regarding company procedures and routes. A few were arrogant and bad pilots, to say the least.

DECs are a normal occurrence at EK since its inception; the (mis) management will always resort to them to save a few dirhams.

To clarify ... Arabs don't like the Israelis and Zionists. The problem is that most Israelis belong to the Jewish faith; thence, the misconception.
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