Prestige Jet- All Merged Threads
 

Dear All,
As with any other company that has potential employment opportunities, it pays to find out for sure what the real picture of the company is. In the case of Prestige Jet, all must have heard good as well as bad things about this company. For the sake of all the decent and innocent people, do not fall into the same trap as I did. THINK DEEP BEFORE YOU LEAP. Do not attempt joining Prestige Jet unless you are absolutely sure what the company is like from the inside. Do not believe or take for granted what you have been hearing or reading about this company, whether good or bad. After all, it is your family's and your future that you would be putting at stake.
May I also remind all that the level of decency and professionalism has to be observed and maintained in this respectable forum. I know that some participants do tend to struggle when it comes to selecting the right phraseology and vocabulary, but this is not what I am exactly referring to. Even if someone's language is poor, they can still be polite, decent and tactful in their exchange of thoughts and ideas. Not in any instant should we lose focus simply because we are trapped or overwhelmed by the painful truth, and start losing control over our vocabulary.
I hereby wish everybody luck and hope that the truth will reach all who deserve the truth to reach them.

Thank you for this wise and polite introduction. Few days ago a participant of this forum wanted to show me how well this company was doing as a previous thread was seriously compromising Prestige Jet. This gentleman invited me to come to Abu Dhabi and see by myself during a visit of the company. I accepted his invitation and gave him my name and phone number to schedule something with him. Since the previous thread has been closed, I didn't hear any news from him. I would really have appreciated that he would come back to me as fast as he was replying to each post attacking his company. I'm still open to his invitation and look forward to hear from him as I would be interested in checking some rumors related to the grounding of some of their aircrafts.

Prestige Jet Aircraft Grounded
 

Could someone please tell me if it is true that several of Prestige Jet's aircraft have been grounded by the GCAA due to maintenance issues?

There are a lot of rumors on this company not being able to pay bills and that some aircraft being tried to been taken back by leasing companies for nonpayment.

Maintenance is another major issue for this company or so I have heard. A lot of non-licensed mechanics and false logbooks entries, releases, etc.

Can someone who is in the know of this company please confirm this about several of their aircraft being grounded regarding the maintenance issues.

Thanks for the info.

MotoMoto

Can someone who has had either good or bad experience with this company care to elaborate on this.

I am thinking about joining this company on a CJ that they have in the middle east.

Is this company worth getting into or will it just be a nightmare from the beginning?

Thanks for the input and comments

MotoMoto

Unfortunately no visit until now... I've done my part providing my personal details to these gentlemen and guess it's now there call to move forward with a visit.

If you want to fly on a CJ try with Elite, I think they are much more serious and professional. I won't elaborate on Prestige as it may bring back the whole bunch of propaganda boys but I don't really think you want to join them. Wether you consider Prestige or Gulfjet the roots are the same and sadly their MDs or ex-MDs are leading both companies into the same direction. This is what happen when managers are not properly screened. That's sad for the employees who will have to pay the price for "inappropriate" managers.

To Say The Least
 

Dear S.F.L.Y,
Indeed, this is what happens to companies and employees with unscreened managers. In the case of PJ, the best is yet to come. I join you and all who sympathize with the decent and innocent employees.

prestege
 

I know of one pilot who works for them and he advised me that they did have maintenance issues with their aircraft, so you could be right.

PJ Aircraft
 

Dear All,
It would not surprise me in the least to find most, if not all of their aircraft grounded. Beside the maintenance issues, there are also other legal issues. They have at least four N registered aircraft under their management which they have been operating commercially and lying to the GCAA and FAA that they were being used solely for the owners private flights. There are also issues relating to the ops department where pilots have been pressured into exceeding their limitations and flying without proper validations, or expired validations and/or current training.

The sooner the batch of unprofessional companies will be gone, the better it will be for the rest of the industry as it should hopefully free some room to work and all of this comes from badly screened unscrupulous managers who used to lie on their personal experience and qualifications in order to get their position. Shame on them as they knew exactly what they were doing each time they crossed the legal lines.

Facts
 

simple Q
can you list the company you joined ,period, and reason you left before you joining PJ.

You will have to think multiple times before even attempting to approach or write about prestige . Give yourself a chance to thoroughly and fully experience with aviation world.
Many losers are intentionally open-ended and refuse to resolve their internal tensions.
FYI Prestige not need to defend to looser or homeless PPL ,so check where you stand and who you are and what you did wrong ,and why you are useless
if you are decent man face these facts .
poor you

Fossil1, your point being?????
Did not understand a single sentence of your post.
A case of "drink and type" I suppose.

fjordviking

I agree - what the hell is Fossil on about............:confused:

Wow! I hope he doesnt fly aircraft :eek:

Sounds like a BABEL fish translation...

another level 6
 

another level six at it's best and location - US ? I think not............

I do think you are doing a babelfish a dis-service !

welcome to my real word Mr.Frog:eek:

guess what am flying..... M F:confused:

Each time a new topic is launched about Prestige we see new joiners jumping into the discussion, always with the same weird English... that doesn't give a very good image for the company...

SFLY you didnt know anything abuot Prestige Jet. This is good operator in the Middle East. We have good life here and fly well mantenance aircrat. You want to come to Prestige and cannot pass a fliyng test. You cannot is good pilot, come and see why Prestige Jet are the best fo Middle East and soon the world. We is groing very much and will continue to grow with the crisis in the financial. Yes you say is new each time you say new post, but the truth is that pilots for Prestige is pride to work for that company. We will defence Prestige with my life if we have to. You expat only come here for money and doesn't care about culture or any regard for personal. So doesn't say what you say and come here to say what you say.

Prestige Jet have the goodest mantenance man in the middle east. We have company to fix equipment and other operator's come to us for fix his airplane. So do not come and say bul**** and say this crap you want to say and come and say that what you say all the time. We tired at Prestige of all people to come and say any eubish the say and do not have facts for hat they say all the time. Do not come and wast our precios time and waste our time here with rubish post.

SFLY and Termintor, you is full of crap for talking like these for Prestige Jet. You go to back to your country and talk bad rubish about your company you work for in your country.

Prestige Jet is good operator who take well care of his employers. All expats come to Middle East and want money money. You only doesnt care about the operator you works for. You only want the money at the end of the 30 day. you doesnt deserve to come and fly for best middle east company. Prestige Jet have very hard selection proces and only got the most good pilot to fly his airplanes.

Expats who talk rubish about Prestige Jet only wants to fly there and not get choose. We have good mantenance aircraft and have one company t do the mantanence with good mantenance man. You do not talk about Prestige that the plane is good o bad. Just say the facts and not the rubish. If we had bad mantenance we not aprove for to fly with OAC.

So all you who came to talk rubish all the time only to come and say what you want DONT... you will not say that rubish anymore and go away with it. We are not tolerate thi rubish until more.

This last post lets you know what kind of people they hire at Prestige Jet. This is Prestige Jet's talent at its best. I especially like his Level 6 English which makes you wonder how these pilots are able to go for training and pass.

TAYAR, like you say that all expat pilots talk "rubish", but if you can show otherwise, don't say that Prestige has good maintenance, look at the way I spelled the word MAINTENANCE. Everyone knows that Prestige utilizes non-certified mechanics and play around with the log books to make it seem "legal".

Unfortunately it will take a serious mishap or accident where innocent people are paying a lot of money to get a "Well Inspected" and in flyable condition aircraft and once again they are lied to. It is a shame that authorities are so cheap on this side of the world and can be bought so easily. If Prestige Jet has a real inspection, ALL of their aircraft would be grounded at once and for all.

To Tayar

I think that SFLY and terminator were talking in a thoroughly professional and RESPECTABLE manner voicing concerns and/or dislikes about the company in question unlike what you posted, which is neither professional nor polite.
PJ's HARD selection PROCESS obviously does not extend to English language skills judging by your post
Expats AND local pilots do want to get the paycheck at the end of the month..please don't tell me that you work for free
For your next posts..if any, i urge you to act in a manner befitting a professional TAYAR ( i.e pilot for the uninitiated amongst you ) since your post is anything but.
p.s in your effort defend your company image, you achieved exactly the
opposite
pp.s i am a local ( i.e Arab ) pilot flying for my country's national carrier
not in the gulf region

Yes Prestige have hard selection process, that is we are the best in the industry. So dont say rubish like you say.

Everyone who is comeing to Prestige can send message and I tell you the truth. Everyone else want to say rubish about Prestige. We hire only best in industry, that is why were in the best indstry. Why? We are good and have best talent of all area.

Prstige Jet expanding to the rest of the world with more office. We have over 200 million in the bank for buying more aircraft and more office. All companys closing down like Gulf Jet but we still in busines. So dont say the rubish you say, OK.

MotoMoto,

Prestige Jet only hire qalify people. You probably is gelous about not being able to come in Prestige jet for work. We have hard proces for selection. Only the best come to Prestige. So dont say the rubish you say about Prestige Jet. You can semd mesage to me and I will tell you facts about Prestige Jet.

The mantenance is best in middle east. We have company to do mantenance for other company with good man working there and they have good job so dont say the rubish abotu we is going to crash.

We keeps all logbooks in safe place all time. The mantenance man always check airplane for errors and fix if they have. So dont say rubish about the mantenance books is not good. OK.

Everyone is only gelous of Prestige Jet and wants to come here but we have hard selection proces to select only qalified people. So if you thinks to come to the best Prestige Jet is the best because we are the best in the middle east and the world we have more offices than Elite, Empire, and have over 200 million in the bank for continue to have more office.

All everyone saying about Prestige Jet is RUBISH. We is a solid company to working for.

Tayar you are doing a good job to give a very bad image of Prestige and I'm sure you know it. In fact they don't need your "help" to have problems so please no need to do too much as it is halam.

Article!
 

Your passion and love for prestige is well observed. However, it would be in your own best interest and the also the company's that you keep information such as the amount of money in your company's account confidential. And judging by your age, you seem to be a well experienced person with an understanding of these matters.

Indeed if you would like to protect prestige, an insightful essay about how the company recruits its pilots and maintenance personnel would be a good start. I am pretty sure that any one that is educated that reads these forums would be more interested in an insightful article rather then the scandalous mudslinging that is happening.

''...that is why were in the best indstry''

Really didn't want to get on the bandwagon here - just too easy. BUT - to make claims like this you surely must be able to back it with some proof?

The other operators in the region might just take that as either naive or arrogant - either way, you're not helping your cause.

I suggest laying this all to rest and getting back to work.

Vert

PS. Nobody gives a crap about your supposed bank balance. Maybe check with your employers about releasing that kind of information next time. :=

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You are such a spoilsport Vert.....that Mr T. is priceless, and saying it is "-just too easy" belittles his finest attempts to refute the "rubish" that is being slung at his company!

tayar is fake
 

tayar good try :ok:to give us a bad picture of arabic pilots and to prestige company ,just to inform every body this guy name tayar not arabic and hes fierd from this company ,I know this guy very well.:=

Prestege
 

I wondered if perhaps TAYAR WAS A FAKE, AN ACTOR, STIRRING UP THE FLIES. How could someone with such a poor control of the written English language, how could this same individual work ATC, ground control, or tower with out a reprimand or have the captain take over so that they could keep on schedule. I know two captains working for Prestige, and the word is "caution" I have never met an Arab pilot with such a ridiculous grasp of the English language. Got to be a farce.

Reminder
 

Dear All,
May I remind you, especially those who seem to have resorted to using the foul language and the substandard English, that we really need to keep the dialogue professional. This means clean, meaningful and for a good purpose.
I must at this point commend the two Arab pilots and the third pilot from an Arab origin (American Arab) who are working for Prestige, for their professional airmanship. However, we should never generalize that all Arab pilots are professionals, nor that all American pilots (for instance) are otherwise, and are hungry for money, etc..
During my service at PJ, I met with American pilots who are real gentelemen and very good pilots. I wish them every success in their career.
The real issue, is whether good or bad , professional or otherwise most of those working for PJ belong to one of the following categories:

• A category that does not really know what they are in for in such a deceitful organization (headed by a master of corruption) where there will come a day when they will be struck by the truth.
• A category that has discovered the truth, wholly or partially but are stuck with bonds, or other commitments such as kids at schools, etc. and can not act for the time being.
• I would also add a category that involves one person only due to his unique situation, and that is the owner of the company, who thought he was entring a partnership with a good person like himself, and lately discovered the truth at this stage where he can not decide whether it is a non return point, or a recoverable one. Time will show the course of action on his part where he will either pull out or try to mend what the CEO has damaged.

No matter what happens, I wish all the good people at PJ the best of luck.

Good grief people! Can we not just get some relevant facts about the company without all this mud slinging :ugh:

Don't be ridiculous, of course we can't.... our buddy Tayar is in control...?

Prestige-jet..exodus begins
 

I dont know one employee that dont want to leave this company,dispatcher,maintenance,cabin crew are leaving one after the other,pilots same thing,4-5 resigns this year and way more to come.The deeb family is about to taste the meaning of competition and free market.Most unorganized company..been there for few month,its complete disaster of illegal manner.Heard pilots flying unqualified,the company does everything wrong.
Without maintenance,dispatcher,cabin crew and pilots this company will have shut down already 5 times.they have no idea how to run a business.
STAY FAR AWAY FROM THEM.

This is the TRUTH
 

Dear B737,
TRUTH is always painful to the weak and shaky. In the case of PJ management, it is weak, shaky and corrupt. This additional element will make the TRUTH burn them, not only cause them pain.
Speaking of the TRUTH, all the facts uncovered about PJ management with all the violations and corrupt practices still continue. They are even worsening. Every decent employee is advised to think seriously and clearly, and make up his/her mind regarding the fate of his/her employment at this corrupt and polluted establishment before it is too late.
Best of luck to all the good people at PJ.

Prestige
 

What b737best is basically correct. I did a contract this year for them for 6 weeks, it was cut short three weeks when a FA filed a complaint about being " treated badly". The same flight attendant had stolen a tip and was suspected to have done this type of thing in the past. She was caught red handed. The company is totally un-organized, owes money all over the place, does not honor duty times or contracts. I think it is just a matter of time and they will head the same direction as Bexair. I also understand that prior to October last year, they were doing alright, and most of the tech crew were happy, but typical, allowed a group of foreign accountants in to run the show, with NO aviation background, and it started going south, the same thing Bexair did.

You would want to talk to someone else in the organization currently before signing up with these guys. And by the way, I did not run accross anyone who's command of the english language is as bad as Tayar, so I suspect this individual is perhaps an actor/Used car salesman/CEO.
Chchchcheeerrss

Fossil
 

Strange person alert. :}

Thanx All
 

Dear All,

I would like to thank everyone for their posts in threads related to Prestige Jet. and i would like to invite everyone to write to me and get a clear picture about prestige jet.

We are in the market, despite all of the roumers and bad mouthing said about prestige jet and the deeb family ( prestige jet and the DEEB family ) are still alive, and again these posts are so important to us as its more than a marketing campaign for us, and through this forum we are getting a lot of resumes and proffisional people are joining us.

by logic if we are bad company, bad payers, bad management the company wouldn't remain till now.

for any questions about prestige, please dont hesitate to contact me and even you are welcome for a visit to our company.

regards,

Ihsan Deeb

Stop Looking The Other Way
 

Dear Ihsan Deeb,

It is clear to all of us that you just have no idea how this World Works. Everyone knows about anything that happens in the industry and it dose not matter how many times you try to make a fool of yourself saying otherwise.

I am not going to go into if you are a good company or not, if you are corrupt or not, nor wish that things go wrong for you as if it goes bad for you it goes very bad for all that we live from this business. What I am going to tell you and is just because its good for you is the following:

1- Don’t blame other people about the chaos you have in your organisation.
2- Listen to those who have been working for you so long and are still working hard, as you know, withstanding completely unfair behaviour from you and your brother. They are not against you they are in the same boat.
3- Going into technical advice let your crews carry Cash and visas like the rest of the industry and trust your pilots. If you trust your pilots the life of your best clients believe me they can handle a few bills.
4- Pay in time and make people respect your name and the companies name.
5- Respect and good words work a LOT better.

If you listen to this advise and trust those that know what they are doing and have spent so much time, worries and even tears for a company that its not even theirs you could save 1 million dollars a year.
YES 1 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR you read well.

You are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for services that are not needed if your crews have a simple valid credit card. This would also reduce 90% of the internal caos in the operation. Fuel you are paying is just like buying liquid gold for the engines!! And more, and more, and more.

My boss is a man that barely knows how to read or write and has made millions and respected by millions of people. He just knows how to listen and trusts his team. I know that you have had in your organisation many people trying to steal money. Just to many controllers, advisors, good friends of your partners etc but they don’t know the business. Listen to those how have demonstrated day after day that they support you and that your brother only starts shouting at them as soon as anything goes a “wrong” (normally something created by him as he thinks the world is waiting for you to fly).

You can still change things but don’t destroy those trying to help you by mistreating them, destroying your reputation buy not having a word that any man has, and not paying your people and those that feel Prestige like part of their family, more than you in fact.

Don’t try to guess who I am I’m Mat Gunning nothing to do with you but I have very good friends working for you and I have seen them CRY literally due to the frustration of not being able to get things right just because of you and your brothers.

Please change and make a company that people can only talk wonders.

Hope the best for you and OUR industry. :ok: