Good for you!
 

Captcal

You seem rather smug :suspect:

Fame Jet VS Prestige Jet
 

Dear Colleagues,
Recently heard that PJ has gone down the drains in Abu Dhabi. Also heard that Fame Jet is the Dumb Deeb Brothers' new entity. Can any one confirm?
Thx.
Ex

it is true
 

Fame Jet is the Deeb newist thing. having 145, 757 (N757ss) and other aircraft in the fleet.

Fame Jet | About Us | FAME JET Message

guys i was offered a job a cabin crew in fame jet, but i am hesitating as all feedback here is so negative. i am afraid they will not pay the salary or any other rubbish things.
can anyone please tell me if they are that bad even with this new name?

they have no current positions available in their website,however i know they called many many girls asking them to join, and almost all of them refused, it looks so weird and misterious, as if they are hiding sth on the phone, still i dont know cos i wanna move to uae, but i am not sure if i will make the right decision joining them.

Response to Kanela
 

Dear Kanela,

UAE is a very expensive place to live with most flats requiring large cash-in-advance payments, as will vehicle, utilities, mobile, etc., also require large up-front cash inputs. It would be very difficult to come to UAE and invest all the upfront costs in a situation in which you will be paid sporadically or not at all - this is a huge risk to take on; in this case, a well-known high risk.

As one who has a judgment, for two years now, from the Labour Court of Abu Dhabi ordering Prestige Jet to pay me my salaries and dues, but having not yet received my salaries and dues, I can only wonder what will cause them to pay you under a new company name in a different Emirate if they are not capable and willing to respect the authority of the Labour Court of Abu Dhabi in such matters.

Then there are the other matters which have been discussed in some detail in this thread, such as Ex-Terminator's experience with the technical issues and the others' analyses of various issues such as the significance of utilizing the US FAA N-registered aircraft in the manner described.

I cannot predict with absolute certainty how they will behave, which is what your question is, but I can tell you that my opinion is overwhelmingly negative on this question. You must decide on what level of risk you can afford to take. If you can find an employer without such a consistent record of not paying employees, lessors and suppliers - as well as disrespecting the judgments and orders of the Court - you will greatly reduce the risk to yourself. It is interesting to hear that so many flight attendants are declining invitations to work for this company, now in its third or fourth incarnation but with the same leadership and management, each time. You are correct to see this as a bright red flag and to consider your options.

I wish you luck and will be happy to join others in welcoming you to UAE, but preferably with an employer whose greatest predictability is in a category other than unwillingness to pay its employees.

KF

Kanela, if you want to fly for a business jet operator in the UAE, I'd stick to the following operators:

In Dubai:

Execujet Middle East
Dubai Air Wing

In Abu Dhabi:

Royal Jet
Presidential Flight (Amiri)

With others, you're really rolling the dice on any number of issues ranging from late pay to poor working conditions/low pay/no job security.

If you want a truly safe and secure gig, go to Emirates or Etihad... you'll be paid less, work hard, but it's about as safe as it gets.

Thanks for your posts Kangarooflyer and Be careful,

Kangaroo, I heard so much negative feedback from them, and I shouldn´t take the risk. I can´t imagine a company in such a wealthy city as Abu Dhabi not paying its employees and even ignoring the law in such a strict company.
Well, do you know if a employee join its company and after 2 months wanna resign, they will be ok with that? I mean if I wanna jump to another operatior in Uae...
Be Careful, thanks for your info, well I lived before in Abu Dhabi, and I am ex crew in "The best airline in the world", and true, less money and working very hard thats why i jumped to private........ All these airlines you mentioned I know them, as far as I know, Execujet Dubai is not recruiting flight attendants at the moment, and others like royal, amiri, they recruit like one or twice a year, and i think is easier once i arrive in Uae, most of them required you to be already based in Uae.
I know I will take a risk saying this but imagine i join the company we are talking about, i am not happy, and want to jump to another private after 2 months, do u think they will transfer my visa (if they do first) or they will cancel it and I have to go back home and come back??
And I go beyond, how they think I will survive in Uae if they dont pay my salary, its crazy!!
Thanks

Its the middle east, not spain that we are talking about.... Its extremely common for people to go months without getting paid :{:{:{:{

And yet they still line up to come :ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

Mutt

To Mutt,
This happens also in Spain and some bad airlines in Europe, I worked in Me for 3 years and never happened to me before but I was in big companies, commercial, regarding private/corporate in Uae is a field that still ignore, but I will discover very soon.
:confused:

Kanela, you can quit with as little as 7 days notice while on probation which can be anywhere from 3 to 6 months depending on the company.

Royal Jet
 

Don't go there......looks good from the outside but festering on the inside. :=

Used to be a great company to work for but now full of moaners, groaners and low morale and the job security is not what is was....fancy being sacked, demoted or even offered a job that never materialises?

This happens also in Spain and some bad airlines in Europe, I worked in Me for 3 years and never happened to me before but I was in big companies, commercial, regarding private/corporate in Uae is a field that still ignore, but I will discover very soon.



But you wont be locked up in jail and banned from leaving those countries if you owe money and cant get paid...but here in the Gulf you sure can....be very very careful....

A \Couple More Things
 

Kanela,
Two more things to add;
1. outfits like PJ (now Fame Jet or whatever the new name might be) have managements that are well connected with the various ministries (including the Ministry of Labor and Justice) and Authorities (including GCAA). This was achievable through bribes mainly.
2. No matter how honest and hard working you are, once you enter their bad books due to trying to make your voice heard, they will fix something for you with the police and courts. You will end up against one of two options: leave the country ASAP leaving everything behind and relinquishing all of your entitlements; or end up locked in jail for an "imaginary" crime that you are supposed to have committed.

Therefore, I will re iterate what other colleagues have said amongst their other valuable advices: be very very careful..you are in the Middle East.
Best Wishes,
EX.

Thanks,
You all opened my eyes!!
:oh:

Any Wagers?
 

I wonder when we will see the first "Fame Jet Is Really Prestige Jet" or independent Fame Jet thread begin?

make it clear pls
 

i see alot of hating and grudges for PJ and now Fame jet from Ex Terminator and Kangarooflyer what i can see that even you have personal grudge to Deeb's brother's or you have free time to be using the PPrune can we understand which one

AdrianSky read ALL the posts please
 

There is known history.

glf

Yet Another PJ/FJ Supporter With Substandard English
 

Adriansky,
Unless you have a hidden agenda, or pretending to be an "outsider", I advise you not to jump to conclusions. As Gulfstreamaviator pointed out, there is a well known history here. If you are really interested in knowing the truth and in helping to make it known to others whom Deebs are pursuing and conning into working for them, I advise you to spend some time reading relevant threads and posts. PPRUNE is a good means of reaching out to people for an early warning before it is too late. We owe it to any honest professional seeking a decent employment opportunity. This would not be at PJ or Fame Jet for sure.:=
Ex

PJ/FJ
 

I strongly believe that where ever Prestige Jet is mentioned, Fame Jet should also be mentioned and vice versa. After the truth of PJ was exposed to tens of thousands of people, Deebs were forced to change the name to become Fame Jet so that people would forget the name Prestige Jet. These are two ugly faces of the Deebs that people should continue to relate and see, until such a time when justice is done.
Ex.

well i have read whats on the previous pages and took the head lines what ever have been thru between you and the company its between you and the company not with Deeb's Family thats why not defending, im saying you have a grudges for them :rolleyes: . we have heard from one side what do they have to say about you i wont believe a story from one side :=

response to adriansky
 

The characterization of my posting by adiransky as "hating and grudges" is without basis. I believe that my posting is entirely polite and factual. It includes the disclosure, "As one who has a judgment, for two years now, from the Labour Court of Abu Dhabi ordering Prestige Jet to pay me my salaries and dues, but having not yet received my salaries and dues..." The word "Deeb" does not appear in my posting.

Since adriansky has raised the topic, the company has been owned, to varying extents, and managed by Faris Deeb during its entire existence. Certainly he bears the bulk, if not all, of the responsibility for the behaviour of the company. Who is responsible for a company's strategy, behaviour, legal compliance and financial results, if not the founder/part-owner/managing director/chairman/CEO?

Attacking somebody who has a claim validated by the Court, as "hating and grudges", rather than responding to the substantive issues raised, seems rather defensive. In my case, I can assure you that this carping will subside the moment that the company honours the Court decree so, if you wish to see no more of my postings on this topic, all you have to do is pay me as the Court has ordered the company to do, and also pay the others who have similarly been awaiting compliance with decrees of the Court ordering the company to pay them.

It's your Rights to ask for your payments and salary but since i joined pprune i see on this page its all You and Ex-Terminator who is writing and making a company and owner's or CEO in a bad reputation Regardless they are professional or just a normal operator trying to be a professional .. and Hope you and the others who claimed to have their payments as the court would order ..

Within the last 9 days :):)

This is a long standing saga, if there was NO truth in it, then it would have naturally disappeared.

Mutt

I have to thanks for comments like terminator and kangarooflyer because in my case I opened my eyes regarding the company we are talking about, and I am one of those who thinks live your own experience but in this case, it is very obvious when more than hundreds of different people agree on the same issue.
:ugh:

Cheers, Mutt and Kanela. In the situation in which the orders of the Court of Abu Dhabi are not being enforced, the only hope I have to collect my judgment and dues is to persistently remind that this is the case, and not permit it to be forgotten. As stated in my previous post, I try to be respectful and factual, but it is my right to remind of this situation which I and several others have suffered for more than a year now. I will be happy to go silent upon this issue, the moment that I receive my dues as specified by the judgment from the Court.

Perhaps having this all go away would be a good business investment by the company; until then, I intend to exercise my right to tell the truth about my situation, as and when it has relevance to the discussion - as it did with respect to the question posed by Kanela.

Fame Jet
 

Hello,

A colleague of mine mentioned that Fame Jet has control of a Lineage 1000 A6-ARK and are looking for maintenance support. Is it true that the same prestige management runs the show there?

RUN the show
 

well I would not call it running, more staggering...... glf

Just Another Data Point
 

Lineage 1000 A6-ARK was the first Lineage off the Embraer production line. It was delivered to Prestige Jet from the factory and has been operated exclusively by Prestige Jet until now. The fact that the same aircraft, pilots and management personnel are at Fame Jet is just another data point in the story that Fame Jet is Prestige Jet with a new name.

Anyone has details and advice about fame jet?

Same people, different name... need an advice?! Seriously?

There is now a Fame Jet thread
 

There is now a Fame Jet thread on PPRuNe.

Disposition of N647SR
 

Happy New Year, Mates.

Recall that we were discussing the B737-500 N647SR a while back (post #430 by Waste Management, among others) which was operated by Prestige Jet?

I happened to click on an advert for a VIP B737-500 and, lo and behold, there is N647SR for sale, now re-registered as VP-CAJ.

Not that it matters much, but it is an interesting footnote to our discussions in this thread:

European Skybus Limited - VIP B737-500 for sale

Aircraft Registration: VP-CAJ
Previous Registration: N647SR
Date of Manufacture: 01 Jan 1992
Total Aircraft Hours: 35253
Total Aircraft Cycles: 52211

This Boeing 737-500 has recently undergone extensive maintenance and engineering work and has been converted to a VIP configuration in October 2010. The aircraft has been completely refurbished to the highest standards. The new owner will benefit from the millions of dollars and thousands of man hours that have gone into completing this VIP conversion. Optional Winglets can be fitted to improve the aircraft performance and range. The exterior has been painstakingly repainted and the interior has been finished to a very high VIP standard.

Find out more:

Download full specifications (PDF format)
Contact:
Stefan Kondak
Tel: +44 (0)1202 581111
Email: [email protected]

yeah yeah yeah another one bragging about his tiny worm, mine is bigger than yours:D do you want a cookie?

Prestige Jet
 

after moving to Canada and started new job here.. I have been always thinking about the time i spent my level best to do almost all required to have Prestige Jet a good environment and place to work. unfortunately, i eneded up not paid my previous salaries, allowances and EOS. even after winning my labour court case. i always get a flash back of the good ppl i met and learned from their biggest experience in aviation and how lucky i was to be and stay in touch with most of them. i really wanted to share this that i always remember the Deebs brothers in my prayers and thoughts wishing they face what i have gone through in Abu Dhabi when they ruined myself and kids life. I know this will not go with the wind and one day it will hit them hard on their lives and family.

just wanted to clear myself even after all of those years.

Jack Ginblat