Chicken and Egg?
 

"The abovementioned deficiencies were bound to yield evil and corrupt actions and practices."

Or, the evil and corrupt actions and practices were bound to yield the above-mentioned deficiencies.

Hook, line, sinker.... :D

I think it's about as true as Prestige getting several BBJs along with more Globals and some G-450's...... :=:=

End Result
 

Indeed, KF! which ever way you look at it, it is bad. That is, in simple terms the contribution of PJ and its management to the industry.:ugh:

Prestige Jet asking me to wait longer for my money
 

Received a request from PJ to pay on the installment plan. I have waited so long for the money owed to me, it has impacted many areas of my life. I just would like to have this chapter over. Pay the money owed to me and the other pilots and employees to whom you owe money. :ugh:

That Was Ironic, Right?
 

Contribution having quotation marks, as in "contribution", right?

Ironic..and Sarcastic
 

Absoultely, and SARCASTIC with all the meanings of the two words.

How do you get someone to publish a story is a more appropriate question....

Remember the Focus
 

Our desire is to get sunnydolan, the other former employees who hold valid court judgments and current employees paid our salaries, expenses and dues - not to drive the company out of business. If, in the process of militating to get paid, we make the Chairman, Hamed Al Hamed, aware that his interests and reputation are being very poorly served by the Deebs, Alghareeb and their collaborators, so much the better. But our goal is to get our money, not to do Hamed or the world a favor in respect of Prestige Jet.

A Person with hundreds of millions
 

This organization claims they have 200 million in the bank. The Chairman is worth hundreds of millions. Yet they ask me if they can pay what they owe me on a 2 year installment plan. I am not the Nissan dealer.:confused::{

Sunny

You have knocked my socks off!! Is this serious that they have asked to pay the backlog of overdue salaries over two years!! It's scandalous. How many employees have received letters like this?

Typical Hypocrisy and Lies
 

This from the CEO who proudly proclaims that he receives no salary but somehow has a huge new multimillion-Dirham villa and seven new luxury vehicles while the tea boys, secretaries and other office staff get thrown out of their flats due to not being paid for three-four months at a time, repeatedly.

Apparently, salary is not the deal to take when joining Prestige Jet. Take "Door Number 2 - all you can steal" - that's the grand prize.

BeCareful...good point...well made!

Many affected by this move
 

Dear H:
It appears that 4 pilots including myself are affected by this situation. I do not know the status of others that may have won Court cases. I sure do wish I was able to charge interest, I could double what is due to me.

Quick update on thread
 

It is rumored that the person in this situation was not able to attend the Ministry of Labour meeting. He was reluctant to enter the country.

Elaboration
 

Sunny, am I missing something? please elaborate, which country? and what ministry meeting? and for what purpose?
Thx

Reference the first post
 

EX, this was in response to the first post by KF about a pilot who recently left the employment of PJ. These tactics are somewhat the same tactics used when you departed. Shameful.

I Don't Think the Chairman is the Victim
 

Ex-Terminator, I agree with what you state but I take issue with the characterization of the Chairman, whether Ghaith or Hamed, as being victims of the Deebs. These are very wealthy members of the Royal family who own the company - if they are being "screwed by Deeb", why do they not sack him, get their money back and bring him and his collaborators to justice (or throw them out of UAE)? No, the Chairmen are complicit, enablers and supporters of the behaviour of the management and are responsible for such - we, the employees - are the victims.

Back to the Title of the Thread
 

To expand upon sunnydolan's response, recall that this thread began as a discussion about Prestige Jet placing criminal charges accusing a good captain of stealing large sums of money, as response to his filing with Labour Ministry for assistance to receive his pay. We all know that, since the captain completed all assigned flights without fail, he obviously spent the money as instructed, on things like fuel, landing and handling fees, hotel, catering, etc. But management now accuses him of having stolen all the money they gave him.

The captain was informed that he will be placed under arrest for these "crimes" as soon as he attempts to enter UAE - where he lives. Since he has chosen not to test that assertion and therefore has remained outside of UAE he has, of course, not been able to attend the compulsory mediation session which is the next step in Labour Ministry steps to resolve the issue. If the compulsory Labour Ministry mediation attempt does not resolve the dispute, Labour Ministry then authorizes the employee to go to the Labour Court for redress.

As Prestige Jet has lost every case presented to the Court by its employees and former employees this, then, is their new technique for preventing the case from getting to the Court: place bogus criminal charges against the employee, ensure that he does not appear and have the case dismissed due to the failure to appear.

Meanwhile, all of those who have judgments have not collected a single Fil, as the company simply ignores the orders of the Court and its officers - with Chairman Hamed's backing.

A Warning to All of Us
 

It is really disgusting, this behaviour. One would hope that the Royal family would be unhappy with the way this company, with a member of the Royal family as its Chairman, is demonstrating such disrespect to the Royal family and its institutions - such as the company's consistent and unwavering flouting of judgments and orders given by the Courts - but it appears that, in this case, nothing is being done to enforce the legal constructs of the Government of Abu Dhabi.

Contrast that with the abuse of Government power being heaped upon an employee attempting to assert his right to be paid his salary (covered separately in the thread "Prestige Jet - Do Your Job, Go to Jail") and one is given a very poor image of Abu Dhabi "justice" as meted out by the Royal family and the Government. Very disappointing, indeed - and a warning to all of us.

Just bear that in mind before accepting a job in Abu Dhabi and the UAE... 21st century look, 15th century/kindergarten mentality....

If I were a pilot at PJ, I would refuse to accept any cash for any future flight. If they raise a question, just tell them you don't wanna be falsely accused and end up in prison. They can pay anything they want direct with the client without involving you in any sorta cash transaction.....

Very Likely
 

WM,
What I had posted regarding the current and previous owners in that they are/were screwed by the DDB's was a possibility. Another possibility is what you had mentioned in your post, which I had also previously posted. They provide the support/back up since they have the money and the power of WASTA. This latter issue is becoming the more likely situation as PJ scandals are being brought to the surface with such a force that would wake up the dead, let alone a dumb owner. Therefore, I have to agree with you that they can only be partners in their crimes in a corrupt outfit in a state of lawlessness. And yes, employees are always the victims in such cases.
Ex

One of Many
 

WM..I am sure this is one of many evil tactics practiced by DDB's.

Travel to Amman
 

Dear Ex Terminator,

Four separate Prestige Jet threads have been consolidated by PPRuNe staff in choronological order, so there is discontinuity in the thread prior to this point. In answer to your question in Post #309 of this thread, from 22:19, five postings above this one, the stated flight took place during the first half of 2010; the problem about Amman has come about recently due to the lawsuit placed by Sheikh Khalid Al Enazi against Prestige Jet and Faris Deeb, CEO. The lawsuit was described in detail by Kangaroo Flyer in Post #257, page 13 of this thread, 26th May:

"The major accuser of Deeb misconduct is the $5 million lawsuit placed against Prestige Jet and Faris Deeb personally by Sheikh Khalid Al Enazi, a Saudi national living in Jordan. Sheikh Khalid is a former Prestige Jet Rental customer who alleges in his lawsuit that the deposit was given to Mr. Deeb in respect of the purchase of Legacy EC-KFQ at a price of $25 million (that right there was a rip-off, as it was worth $17 million at the time) to Sheikh Khalid.

Problem was, Prestige Jet had no right to sell the aircraft - it was owned by General Electric Capital Corporation and Prestige Jet was not even the lessee. Thus, the lawsuit alleges that Faris attempted to perpetrate a triple fraud and, in the process, walked away with $5 million of Sheikh Khalid's money, which, per the contract signed by both, required the deposit to be returned if the sale were not completed in 20 days.

The above is going on right now in the courts of Jordan.

So it is not our Yank colleagues making the serious allegations, Faris - or doing the stealing."

Very Thorough
 

WM, many thanks for explaining so accurately and thoroughly.
Regarding Americans at PJ, who were mainly in the Ops. Dept. I have had the pleasure and privilege of working with them and know them personally over a good period of time. I have not met a single person who had a mission or a target other than to do his job professionally and to reflect a good image of this company. Unforunately, they were, and some of them still are, in the wrong country and the wrong company managed by a gang of low class thieves. :yuk:

your wife and mother in cairo
 

hi adi njjar, guess the ceo picked your family from cairo if you remember.
You idiots khaled anizi has lost both cases in jordan, and now he is sentenced for lying at the court, and faris deeb is in jordan now celebrating.

Thanks for the Confirmation
 

Hey, Kartik, thanks for the confirmation that the story about Sheikh Khalid's lawsuit is true. However, I agree with Waste Management that it is surprising to receive any decision of the court so quickly after the case was filed, so it will be useful to find some public evidence of such.

I can also attest to the version of the Cairo flight related by WM.

Khaled Anizi
 

I too thank you for confirming that there are indeed two, and not, one lawsuits.:ok::D.
As for Khaled Anizi lying, this is in your dreams mate! Your Jordanian and Lebanese-American pilots who flew with him numerous times can prove you wrong about this person. According to them, he has always been a true gentleman, always paid his dues, and respected his pledges and commitments, unlike some.
So Old, I mean New..keep on dreaming but without stress. You seem to be stressed out. It is bad for your health, take it easy.:cool:

I have flown this man, he is a good person
 

I laugh to at the reason of the post from new-. I have flew this man and he is always the best passenger for me and the crew.

Level of Intelligence and Decency!
 

This is a typical behaviour that manifests the level of intelligence and decency on the management part that the employees and the rest of stakeholders are having to deal with.:ugh:
And by the way, WM..do not waste your time correcting mistakes in his language. His schedule does not allow for this. He is too busy planning to practice corruption.:ok:

Where is the MONEY
 

If Faris is in Jordan celebrating as he is and won all this cases from the court he is at his home in celebrating why will he not pay the dues he was ment to pay from the court of AbuDhabi. He is celebrating but there are many he is not allowing to celebrate. We all want to fiesta, not just mr Faris.

It would appear the person whom sent you the PM was banned by the Owners/Moderators of Pprune...

A troll passing off as someone else.

Rob

You are all lousy pilots who is very jelous of Faris. He won case court for lawsuit and was not stealing money. Faris is honorable man and if he stole money I cut my head off, but it was noted he did not. So why you come and not celebrate with us?

Just go back to America and steal all the money from other outfits. Prestige Jet is not going down like many wants to go. You steal you ahve to pay, and just go back to your countrys and live us alone in Midle East.

Faris not celebrating without reason, he did not steal money. Cort case was won and he is celebrating to the bank. You american pilots will not get paid anything, because if you steal money from company, court will show that. Just go back to America and continue with rubish career.

Why Not Celebrating
 

"So why you come and not celebrate with us?"

Thanks for the thought to invite the rest of us to participate in your celebration, mate. My invitation appears to have been lost in the company communication system, that's why I didn't come. That and no money to come to your celebration at the bank, since you refuse to pay the rest of us, as stated in your posting.

Comedy club response
 

Tayar, Please stop. I laugh to hard almost pop. You should be on a TV or a comedy club.

American Pilots at Prestige Jet?
 

We don't have enough American pilots remaining at Prestige Jet to affect the operation, one way or the other, do we? Seems we have mostly Spaniards, French, Aussies, South Africans and Arabs. So what's with:

"Prestige jet was loosing money because american pilots were taking money from company from management. This is know to the DGCA and everyone in management." [Tayar, thread "Prestige Jet - Exodus Begins", now this merged thread, 25th May 2011, post #253, page 13]

Note use of DGCA in place of GCAA. Isn't that Spanish? In any case, statement is ludicrous because the role of GCAA or DGCA or any oversight authority is with regard to safety, not being involved in management of company cash expenses (unless receiving same.) Sadly, in case of Prestige Jet, it appears that GCAA chooses to overlook serious safety issues which have been brought to its attention repeatedly - such as the illegal operation of different types and forged simulator session documentation (when actually operating an aircraft thousands of miles away at the time that the simulator session was alleged to have been performed) by Capt. Jose - who either tipped his hand with this DGCA error, or CEO Faris trying to implicate Jose.

As for the accusation, I concur with those who see it as a pathetic public self-incrimination by management which publicly admits that it is not in control of the operation or the finances of the company, and intends to not pay its employees, including those who have obtained judgments from the Court of Abu Dhabi ordering Prestige Jet to pay these employees their salaries and dues. If that is true that the company is so out of control that management cannot control "stealing" by pilots (how does a pilot steal anything, in a properly managed company which is not a cash operation?), management should be sacked immediately. If that is a lie, management is unnecessarily bringing great discredit upon the company and its Chairman, Hamed bin Hamed, and should be sacked immediately.

Please, Hamed, get us some professional management which knows how to, and cares to make the company successful.

Either Way
 

Because what WM has posted above is a logical conclusion that is within the comprehension capacity of the owner, and in light of his failure (or lack of action) to do something about it, I tend to think that the owner and his CEO are on the same page. For the serious threat this has on the future of their company, there must be something worth this great risk in return, something they cannot declare or expose to public, or indeed the concerned authority unless the latter has already been bought!