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Someone did the interview in Dubai recently? They hiring for both fleets? 380 and 777?

Yep both. Don't think they'll be stopping any time soon...

......because they can't - the exodus of current pilots is far too great.

Guys whats the current take home salary for an EK FO after all the deductions and overtime and layover allowances . Need an approx figure ? Was going through all the pages but answers are very old and the new ones are not clear . Thanks

PS: ready for some sarcastic replies also :ok:

As a new joiner in company acommodation you will net in the bank around 6300 euros / 7500 US$ flying 75 hrs.

Figures in ppjn are very accurate.

75hrs? Long time since I have been anywhere near as low as 75 hours.....

thank you for the info

Asking for a friend:

how does EK looks upon someone who had a "criminal record" for getting In a fight with their girl friend? The record is of misdemeanor in US. Any insight will be helpful.

Many pilots are leaving nowadays?

"Many pilots Leaving?" BWAHAHAHAH!

More like, who the hell is actually applying/joining these days? It was a "need to feed my family cause I'm unemployed" acceptable option for a long time but now it seems to have descended into the "not even if the only other option is Ryanair or driving a lorry" category. (I'm referring to new-joiners, before the old-timers get grumpy and defensive.)

You can't really use the "at least it's a job" excuse when it's not - you move your whole life to the ME and you're chained to it for minimum five years.

My sympathies to those who truly believe they have no other option.

EK just took 200 DEC from up the road too, so probably 8+yr to left seat now. I'd be surprised if anyone stays that long anymore !

Not so. I saw 75 hours in months where I had two weeks of leave so its possible.

They'll make him a DEC on the 777 and roster him all DFW.

Wait a few months, the way things are going they'll be hiring people that might be able to spell "airplane"...who needs an ATPL anyway?

Brasil.

Speaks volumes.

Where have you been Aviador? Did you happen to miss the last 3 years of 1000's of postings about all the resignations?

Do you guys have internet there or have you been hiding in a cave somewhere?

Classy.

No dog in the fight of the personal reasons any wannabe should join or not - but rest assured if you do, the flight decks are for the most part occupied by a really good bunch of guys and gals.

The above poster does not represent who we are as a group.

"Who in their right mind is joining now"
"This used to be a good job but not anymore"
"EK is scraping the barrel"
"Anyone with a pulse will be hired"

Use the search function and you will find comments like these from every year between 2005 and now. You will also find that most of the posts are written by people who still are in EK.
Through friends in EK I'm aware that conditions deteriorates every year but that's true for almost every airline in the world (with some exceptions that are unavailable for the majority of pilots). That however does't mean that people joining are stupid.

expat400...except for one thing. It is a very different proposition moving from..lets say London to Hamburg..to become an expat.

when you move to the ME as an Expat...you are "lured" with a "contract" that promises certain things...things you may well expect as a person deciding to move his/her family from the home in a Western Country to the ME.

What you soon discover, is the "contract" you have is not worth the paper it is written on...and there is no avenue of appeal when it is changed, always for the worst.

It is funny you note hoe post back to 2005 start talking about how things were getting bad at EK. I joined in 2005, then it was the greatest job in the world..by 2006..slowly the rot started. I had left my previous job on "good faith" that the contract I signed would be honoured.

Im happy to send you a copy of it...it says something about 78 hour monthly rosters..6 weeks annual leave....and on and on..

My last roster when I left was 98 hours, I had had 3 weeks leave in 14 months..."but its all legal Captain..."

I say again...there is a big difference in sitting in your own home ( insert your country here) and getting different conditions, to sitting in Dubai a long way from home, and having them stuffed down your thought....My opinion only.

I completely understand your point SOPS. I was an expat for 9 years myself. Moved the family halfway around the world. Our "contract" was set in stone about the same way your was... and treated the same way sometimes.

I'm not saying "love it or leave it", there are multiple reasons for people to stay on even when things go south. What I don't like is when current EK-pilots call people joining "stupid", "third world" etc.

Although the current EK T&C:s are bad compared to the ones many people joined on it can still be a great improvement to other pilots life.

Regarding 2005, obviously some pilots didn't think EK was good... These quotes are from that year:

"need to put out the applications and start looking around. EK is just so arrogant. This use to be a very good job (and still is for the 3rd world) but with Europe paying more and more now that is the place to be. We will always be treated no better that an Indian to management and it is time we start going to greener pastures. I have had it.”

“-an average work month of ~75hrs/month increased to an average of ~91hrs/month
-insertion of ‘operational plans’ for various destinations that would otherwise require breaking flight duty limits
-the use of scheduled block hours that do not reflect the actual time required to carry out a flight. In other words, shaving off of 10 to 15 minutes per leg that would have counted towards our monthly credit limit
-duty time reduced from chocks plus 30 minutes to ‘chocks on’
-an increase of fatigue ASR’s (air safety reports) from 1 per 4 months to 3 per week
-simulator and ground school duties not counting towards flight duty limits
-the DEC policy
-a loss of quality TRE’s and TRI’s
-the insertion of reserve days throughout my schedule, thereby breaking up any stretch of days off.
-an average of 1 reserve day/month increased to an average of 4 reserve days/month
-reserve days no longer counted towards pay or monthly duty limits (resulting in being able to have us available on 45 minutes notice for 10 hours at no cost to the company)
-the probability of being called to work on reserve dramatically increased
-the enforcement of written authorization to leave dubai on ‘off’ days
-the coming and going of the illegal ‘factored’ flying hours, although there is nothing official about the demise of this policy
-the utilization of crew rest facilities whereby a Captain is required to rest in the compartment at the rear of the aircraft while still remaining PIC.
-the utilization of crew rest facilities consisting of a first class seat sometimes seated next to a passenger. This results in rest taken during in-flight services etc.
-the institution of the ‘fatigue model’ into the bidding system
-the institution of the adopt bid system
-the removal of credit and block hours listed on our schedules
-the inability to take leave during the year due to the lack of available leave periods

- an increase in the number of pilots willingly working on days off
-a huge increase in the number of ‘no shows’ on initial courses
-a demographic shift in the pilots accepting courses at Emirates
-a massive increase in the number of pilots resigning from Emirates and also from positions within Emirates
-massive cost of living increases”

“Unfortunately the way they are operating a lot of loyalty is being lost throughout, guys who would have stayed here till 60 will always be on the edge of there seat and looking for better options.
Its sad Emirates has come to this, just another contract job.”

“CVs all over the web, now if I can get my lucky ticket punched”

If a guy gets very well on the tests during screening, but have some problem in the medical exams, for this “pilots missing”, they could decided to hire him?