Birdstrike...
 

think there are more airplanes than birds in this part of the world :p

Airboss....
You of course never had the pleasure to fly around places like Karachi or Dhaka where you can spot more vultures than A/C in the air.. :eek:

Well Airboss, if you say "in this part of the world" and your location is Germany,then I suppose you've never come around here(assuming that you're flying the A320).
Back to the topic now.I think that if you are flying your own A/C,then you can fly @ 370K on the LOC at 3000',but if the company wants you to stick to their rules to fly THEIR A/C then you'd better stick to them..
My 2 cents.
MS.

speed
 

I am not saying to go out and violate the wussy SOPS that these anti speed demons put in. I am just saying that there is no big deal going max speed down low, not like your gonna take the paint off or something.....

And ofcourse the A320 isn't a Falcon, that bird was the best handling plane for a bizjet i ever flew.....

411A, I must say, you made me laugh and smile. I like your style!

The Gulf Air L1011 Flight Manual limitations section.... Stated a 313kts IAS max speed limit below 8000ft... due to windscreen and bird strike limitations.

This Flight Manual was issued by the British CAA for Gulf Air G registered L1011.

Sadly there was no mention that birds were aware that they should always get out of the way for respected pilot 411A whom could be hurrying on down or climbing out in his dream L1011 machine.... looking through his 33 square feet of panoramic vision....seeking to mash them.
This speed limitation was also taught to British Airways and BEA L1011 pilots....so depending upon your opinion it must have been correct!!...or total rubbish?

speed
 

Was that the same limitation issued by the MANUFACTURER????? And from a technical point of view when two objects impact each other its the closure rate which depends on GROUNDSPEED. So technically you could be doing 310 KIAS and have a 100KT tailwind so the impact would be at 410knots. So really its kinda of a BS limitation. Now when we talk things like speed limits for landing gear thats because of the gear doors and small substructures. And if a remember VNE or MMO is a limit where if you were to go 1.5 times that limit you would have ultimate load failure. And at 370KIAS on the falcon that comes out to over 500kias!!!

Turkpilot - If you will hit a bird at 310 kias it doesn't matter how much wind you have since the bird will also fly in the same air :8

Now if i can find the damn bird flying towards me at 100kias :ugh:

Also you cannot go 1.5 times VMO/MMO, that is only valid for load factor. Not every limitation is 1.5 times higher.

dkz

You beat me to it, some guys here think they are hotshots but once they open their mouth (in this case start using the keyboard) the truth is revealed.

AUH

“And from a technical point of view when two objects impact each other its the closure rate which depends on GROUNDSPEED. So technically you could be doing 310 KIAS and have a 100KT tailwind so the impact would be at 410knots. So really its kinda of a BS limitation”

Not quite right on that one I am afraid.

Ground speed is only relevant if you are impacting the ground. In the air it is TAS or IAS that you should be looking at. Within the parcel of air (not using any ground based reference points) the relative velocity between the two objects is only affected by IAS / TAS.

That is why all your limitations such as flaps gear etc are in IAS. The only limitation sometimes referenced in Ground Speed is tyre speed.

The initial point being, that this chap openly deviated from known SOPs and told the FO what he was going to do.....
Speaks to the mindset of what management have nurtured...

Flying high speed and low can be done in the sim...with your tail on fire and what ever-else you want thrown in for good measure..

This was an intentional bust of sops.... On his last day....
Poor FO...

A320
 

Actually i am right, because the force of impact of two objects matters on the velocity and kinetic energy. So therefore, if 2 objects are headed at each other at 300knots OVER the ground it doesnt matter what the IAS. The aircraft flies by IAS/CAS/EAS, it doesn't matter when it impacts something how fast the TAS or IAS is in this case. Apparenlty opinion and self expression even when not putting anyone down on this board is not allowed here. Guess its a good thing im a member of PPW, a real pilots site where one can voice there opinion and not get banned just because the mod is having a bad day. What a joke!

Out of curiosity I feed PPW into the Google machine, it came out with this

What more can I say.

ps you're actually very wrong.

:{ 320 Kts below 3000' . Geeezzz - that's really bad. What about 349.9 Kts at 1000'? Geessh - that's Sharia punishment.:ok:

Speedseeker
 

Speedy,

Keep your uninformed opinion to yourself, or read the whole thread. It is not about a/c or pilot abilities.

It is about being professional and obeying the SOP.

Sir O

hmmmm
 

Speed, obviously you dont know about ProPilotWorld.com - "Pilots helping Pilots" where professionals can voice there opinion and not get booted off by mods simply because they dont agree. And yes, i am correct. Please carefully read what i wrote, impact is ALWAYS dependent on kinetic energy, it could care less about the velocity going through air molecules.....

TurkPilot,

Impact does have to do with kinetic energy but GS is only relevant if you are impacting the ground.

I ‘ll give you an easy example so you could understand it.

Two aircraft are flying towards each other and have a TAS of 500kts each. With 0 wind and therefore 500kt GS they have a closure rate of 1000kts.

Same scenario with 100kt wind. First aircraft has a GS of 600kts and the second 400Kts.

Closure rate 1000kts. In the air GS has no affect on closure rate. The only thing that shifts is the point on the ground that they would cross.

If you are training for your PPL and they are teaching you all this crap I suggest you change flying schools.

Are you kidding me
 

Inciter, go incite someone else with your garbage

Zero wind, 500 knots closure equals 1000kts CHECK
Headwind 100KTS, one ac has 400KT gs, the other now has 600 KT GS closure equals 1000 KTS check!

Do you not understand that the rate an object moves OVER THE GROUND IS THE SAME RATE IT WILL IMPACT AN OBJECT WHETHER IT IS HITTING THE GROUND OR NOT. I THINK YOU ARE STUCK ON THE WORD GROUND THAT YOU DO NOT REALIZE THAT IS ALSO HAS TO DO WITH HITTING A PROJECTILE IN THE AIR!! SO BEFORE YOU GO SPOUTING OFF YOUR MOUTH GET A CLUE!!!