Etihad Airways 320 pilot exceeds 320 kts below 3000'
 

Yup on his last day he decided to give Etihad something to think about and only slightly exceeded the limits....

His poor F/O mustve been screaming....

Management will have to find a big rug to sweep this one under...

14?
I am not surprised to hear that people want to leave the 320 but how reliable is the source of your info? We heard all sorts of crazy numbers regarding 320 pilots leaving but I m still wondering how true these figures are.

Good thing he wasn't a 777 pilot!

I thought the 777 guys drop the gear at 500ft into Manila

was it flap full at 100' jj330? :O what's your recollation of that one?
God only knows, the 777 guys could fly the space shuttle while everyone else is lucky to be given a plane for our mediocre skills

Safe Flying :ok:

Jedi Masters
 

Its awesome that he has such great skills to achieve such great aircraft control I can only imagine that he was instructed in the ways of the Jedi by such illustrious trainers as his fleet chief SY who himself tried to out fly the A320 in the Himalayas, albeit that the other Jedi masters present were saying their prayers and farewells at the time.......rock on Etihad, leading the world in commercial aviation!:ok:

So WB was trying to make a valid point about the current situation on the 320 fleet and out of the blue, without any provocation, MR JJ and MR Red Z3 started bashing the 777 guys???? Wonder why we all are f#$%%ed up? basically EY is sitting down watching how we fight among each others instead of supporting our fellow colleages on the 320 and defending ourselves against EY abusive practices. You two suck!!!!

@ the OP.

Do you have a source to back up your information?

Many thanks,

Another, "I'm the only aircraft in the sky pilot"
 

NG Kaptain.........I fly slow, so everyone following you has to fly slow.:ugh:
Good on you, NOT.

Sorry...
 

..guess I miss something here: what's the big deal in flying 320kt@ 3,000'?
If you given "no speed restrictions" it's fine!

I guess you missed the fact that you are operating a commercial airplane and not an F-15. I seriously doubt any passenger in the world nor most of your colleages would appreciate this kind of "airmanship". I guess you can also make this low altitude, high speed penetration stunt inverted, with only one hand and at the same time taking pictures of the ground below (or above?) without spilling your coffee. Can't you Maverick?:D:D:D

Yeah great idea, right up to the moment you hit the bird!

It s a winshield resistance to the birds ! The winshield is certified for a 250 kt speed , even one day I was ask by the ATC to fly at 280 Kt at 3000 Ft:hmm:

Yes, bird strike is an issue, but I have to say that if 320 kts at 3000 ft warrants a big discussion then I must be getting old. OK, it's fast, but nothing to wet your pants about.

If he had 320 kts on a straight in approach and was not stabilized at 500 ft? Then :mad: to him for getting his Effoh in trouble. Think of that if you ever decide to do a "last famous".

Certified?
 

"The winshield is certified for a 250 kt speed ". Not true. There are some tests only. Far for being "certified".
Birds can be dangerous even at 190kt as USAIR learnt in January.

"No speed restrictions" climbs and arrivals are done thousands of times a day worldwide, saving tons of fuel and carbon out on the atmosphere.

Nothing about pissing in pants or innerently dangerous about flying few minutes at more than 250 kt.

To be stabilized on the approach have nothing to do about what speed you're coming. It's just a matter of planning and airmanship.

There's a lot of hysteria about 250 kt speed limit on training centers.:ugh:

Apparently so.
Earlier this year, approaching JED, ATC requests maximum speed, until 15 mile final.
We do 350 knots indicated, until 15DME.
ATC says...thank you.

Type, L1011.

NB.
One wonders...do the Euroland tupperware airplanes fall to bits above 320 knots indicated?:hmm:

250kts
 

The EY company SOP says max speed is 250kts below 5000'

Simple really:ok:

Ben Al Katre,

Sent you a PM. No bashing of the B777, they usually very quiet, but all fleets have their days.

Ben Al Katre said: Dude, you sound like my mom who tells me not to fly too fast because it is dangerous. I hope you are not a pilot.

Yo

YO767
 

Perfect!
Thanks for the good LOL.

Look, there are a lot of FSim players here or even mommy soccers.:E

Ben, relax buddy...... God you boys are sensitive aren’t you? It’s ok as long as the 320 gets smashed left right and centre but god forbid we bring up a mishap in the elite squadron and everyone starts crying foul. Was it or wasn’t a complete failure to follow simple SOP in Manila? If the answer is yes relaxed my friend (learn to take one on the chin man, its ok) if it wasn’t then I guess I owe you and your sensitive side an apology.
As always Safe Flying :ok: and keep the blue stuff up and the brown stuff down
P.S. how do you know that I suck? I didn’t know we were that intimate!:=

[QUOTE]...all fleets have their days[QUOTE].......spot on. :ok:

Ohhh I got it! he was doing 320Kts in an airbus 320.. so can I do 777Kts in my 777? :E

yes, you can in Mumbai TMA only Class C Airspace no spd rest :ugh:

... and this is one of the reasons why we got that recent fob regarding pilot behaviour.....

a 320 hi speed
 

I have to agree, what is the big deal, all these guys wetting their pants over 320 knots at 3000 feet. If the controller said keep your speed up, whoopy, have fun. I must be getting old, because if we could do it, we would do it. It used to be a time, when jetA was cheap that many airlines flew barber pole, high speed climb, and descent when able.

BEN! You miserable old git!
 

Why don't you pack your balls up and retire? Surely a nice cup of coco and a swinging chair is more your pace.

Yep, those were the days, 340kts to fifteen mile final, thrust idle, gear, flap and be stable at 1000ft. Kept the hear rate up. We have all turned into a wet lettuces.

Maybe we're all turning professional.....

If the company SOP is to fly 250kts below 5000ft and be full stabilised by 1500ft, why don't you just do it? If ATC give free speed or high speed, it's 250kts below 5000ft end of story.

Well Said
 

Break Dancer, well said :ok:

That is the whole point of this thread. If Folks wanna be yahoos and go tearing around at 320 knots below 5000', they are more than welcome. But let them do it in their own a/c or in a company that does not have such a height/ speed restriction.

Follow the rules, they are usually right.

Sir O

Requirement
 

It depends on where you are flying into. 250 kts is a legal requirement of the SIDs/STARs in Dubai for example.
This restriction is part of the textual description of the SIDs/STARs in the UAE AIP.

hi speend below 3000 feet
 

Man whats happened, lots of "professional wet lettuce here. these days

The FO should have intervened!

Just because it's the CA's last day does not mean he can start breaking the rules in the book. I distinctly remember another scenario in an A320 where the Captain came in high, hot, and fast, 300+ knots below 10,000 ft (against their book), too high, and at a low altitude requested an orbit to lose altitude (another against the book thing), got spatially disoriented, and crashed the A320 in the water, killing everybody on board near Bahrain Airport. FO, hired at Gulf Air with about 200 hours, and roughly 400 hours A320 time, did not have the time/knowledge/experience to check his Captain and put a stop to the dangerous sh*t the Captain was doing.

I really do not see the advantage of going that fast. There are many small reasons not to do it, and if you put them all together there is a potential thingsget out of hand.

There is no doubth that the margin for error is smaler and that because of this you may upset your collegue.

Having said so I think you should be able to do it. One day you might need it.

So to practise it from time to time is not a bad idea but under strict conditions.

Cabin ready for ldg; approach x-list completed and a margin build in i.e. you know what to do and do it quickly when you see that the margin is melting away.

But never upset your collegue and realize that they will not always object.

Deliberate and unjustified SOP violations should not be condoned. If his ass was on fire and had to get the thing down in a hurry I don’t think anyone would have complained.

Do not try and tell us that having taken all the variables into account, flying an aircraft within its certified limits is unsafe or unprofessional. There is nothing wrong with a 300kt + descent, or requesting an orbit on the odd occasion you cock it up and need to lose a bit of height. If you get disorientated doing so maybe you need to get a job driving a bus of a different kind.

SOPS need to cater for the lowest common denominator and as a result you end up with silly restrictions and 950 page OMAs.

Just a sign of things to come with all the “PROJECT X” flying schools out there these days.

Sounds like this guy was in a hurry to get home!

NG Kaptain . . .
 

Neither professional nor smart nor clever on your part. . . Because someday your F/O will turn you in, if not the QAR data analyst will catch your trend sooner...and you'll be turfed, as you should be. :ooh:

DAMN...
 

Somebody needs to conduct an energy management class on this thread..Unless you're flying the space shuttle columbia and dead stickin it to the ground..320 kts at 3000' seems a bit much on a commercial airliner assuming you're probably no more than 12 to 15 miles from landing at that altitude...but hey, to each his own i guess..just hope im not in that deck..:eek:

Give me a break
 

TO the guy that made the comment about flying like an F15. Dude you would have to be doing over 500kts to even be considered, and more like 300AGL. What a joke, do you configure like 30 miles out from the airport too? I am so sick of all these wussies afraid to fly the plane at the barber pole. Im a 737 guy, so don't know much about Airbus, but give me a break. The best way to save fuel would be a flight to the absolute minimum distance required to descend, and then an idle thrust descent at max forward speed all the way to final. But ofcourse everyone is afraid of doing over 300kts.

I used to come in at 370KIAS on the Falcon 2000EASy into Delhi, intercept the loc from 8 miles out, gear first, then flaps and spbrk ofcourse. Save time, and was fun. Oh i forgot, flying isnt supposed to be fun, we have rules!!!

yeah have fun but did anyone think of the possibility of "bird impact speed limitations" ( i'm not an A320 driver but you will find it as a limitation in some aircraft flight manuals).., rough air/ turbulence/ holding/go around/ change of plans..etc you can still have fun in an aircraft but exercise your professionalism and common sense if you have any.. and think of the people behind you..